One Ref

[Saxon]

Latest description of the 6 again rule change.
https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/05/15/sin-bin-risk-for-repeat-offenders-how-six-again-rule-will-work/

Christ, what a dog's breakfast.
We're supposed to be simplifying it for a single ref.

 

[T-Boon]

Latest description of the 6 again rule change.
https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/05/15/sin-bin-risk-for-repeat-offenders-how-six-again-rule-will-work/

Christ, what a dog's breakfast.
We're supposed to be simplifying it for a single ref.

Who said we are supposed to be simplifying it for the ref. In an idea world maybe yes but the stated objective (and this is music to real fans ears) is getting rid of wrestling.

 

[Chimp]

The 6 again rule will be cruelly and cynically exploited - without even giving it any real thought, I can already see on tackles 1 and 2, teams willingly giving away 6 again in order to slow the ptb and get their line set.

If you’re playing the Eels for example, a big part of their game is the roll on they get from Sivo and Fergo taking first couple of hit ups against a defence still getting caught up with play.... Coaches will give their team instructions to concede ‘acceptable’ 6 agains to reduce the impact of Sivo and Fergo.... Refs will have to be strong on binning players for professional fouls.

 

[T-Boon]

The 6 again rule will be cruelly and cynically exploited - without even giving it any real thought, I can already see on tackles 1 and 2, teams willingly giving away 6 again in order to slow the ptb and get their line set.

If you’re playing the Eels for example, a big part of their game is the roll on they get from Sivo and Fergo taking first couple of hit ups against a defence still getting caught up with play.... Coaches will give their team instructions to concede ‘acceptable’ 6 agains to reduce the impact of Sivo and Fergo.... Refs will have to be strong on binning players for professional fouls.

This is probably true. I have no doubt that the coaches are going to master cheating it and the commentators are going to be death riding it.
However, it is still great that finally the authorities are saying on behalf of fans we have had enough of the wrestle. If this fails they should put together another project Apollo committee with the goal of getting rid of the wrestling.

 

[Frailty]

I really feel like people need to go back and watch games from 70s-90s and see how messy the play the ball area actually was.

There's this false narrative that the game was more free flowing, open, and quicker back then. It simply isn't true.

 

[Canard]

Latest description of the 6 again rule change.
https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/05/15/sin-bin-risk-for-repeat-offenders-how-six-again-rule-will-work/

Christ, what a dog's breakfast.
We're supposed to be simplifying it for a single ref.

There is so much "judgement" and grey area left to the referee there, they have been set-up for a big fall.

Gould etc. will hound a referee for making the wrong call, when frankly it's not their fault.

 

[T-Boon]

There's this false narrative that the game was more free flowing, open, and quicker back then. It simply isn't true.

There were a lot more great passages of play and each set of possession was less predictable. Teams use to try a chip kick or a set play nobody had ever seen before.

There was definitely more space laterally, if they went wide to the back line you didn't see decoy runners trying to open space.

 

[Frailty]

There were a lot more great passages of play and each set of possession was less predictable. Teams use to try a chip kick or a set play nobody had ever seen before.

There was definitely more space laterally, if they went wide to the back line you didn't see decoy runners trying to open space.

What set plays exactly? The round-arounds, the dummies, and they definitely used decoy runners.

Play was very predictable. Do you know why the deep sweeping backlines from one side of the field to the other aren't used anymore? Because they are entirely predictable and easy to defend.

In fact, you still see chip kicks attempted - but because fullbacks are more athletic and clued in than ever before they aren't usually successful.

Do you know what exciting play should come back - the kicking duals. They were a lot of fun, weren't they?

The game has never been so fast, skilled, and competitive. Instead of moving the game backwards, they should be looking to move the game forward.

I keep hearing that the game doesn't have enough talented players for expansion - but all the issues that are 'problems' with the game are because players are too talented and well coached.

 

[gerg]

I really feel like people need to go back and watch games from 70s-90s and see how messy the play the ball area actually was.

There's this false narrative that the game was more free flowing, open, and quicker back then. It simply isn't true.

In some ways yes. The defence was completely different with the focus being to just tackle the bloke instead of holding them off the ground, wrestle them for a few seconds and then throw them to the ground when the ref finally calls held. You had the marker occasionally trying to rake the ball back by crowding the tackled player. Watching old replays I see lots of dropped balls in the play the ball which are missed by referees. Comparing the era's the refereeing is better these days. There is the odd howler these days but probably several a game years ago.

 

[Frailty]

In some ways yes. The defence was completely different with the focus being to just tackle the bloke instead of holding them off the ground, wrestle them for a few seconds and then throw them to the ground when the ref finally calls held. You had the marker occasionally trying to rake the ball back by crowding the tackled player. Watching old replays I see lots of dropped balls in the play the ball which are missed by referees. Comparing the era's the refereeing is better these days. There is the odd howler these days but probably several a game years ago.

Players do a better job of working the player on the ground. But there were numerous times in the 80s and 90s where players were pulled down for a second time without penalty.

I have issue when they brought in 'dominant'/'surrender' tackles in, because it effectively told players you can take your time with the tackle.

 

[Perth Red]

I really feel like people need to go back and watch games from 70s-90s and see how messy the play the ball area actually was.

There's this false narrative that the game was more free flowing, open, and quicker back then. It simply isn't true.

Watched the '95 classic call game at the weekend on Fox.
A joy to behold. 1on1 or 2on1 tackles, straight up and play the ball, no wrestle, no man with the ball trying to milk a penalty, every play of the ball 1-2 secs quicker than now, one ref having no problem managing the game, touchies running on the field to report something. No multiple replays of every decision,commentator moving on not spending the next 4 sets complaining the ref got it wrong.
Dont know if we'll ever be able to turn back the clock with the game becoming as scientific and dissected as it is these days but geez it would be nice.

 

[Canard]

Watched the '95 classic call game at the weekend on Fox.
A joy to behold. 1on1 or 2on1 tackles, straight up and play the ball, no wrestle, no man with the ball trying to milk a penalty, every play of the ball 1-2 secs quicker than now, one ref having no problem managing the game, touchies running on the field to report something. No multiple replays of every decision,commentator moving on not spending the next 4 sets complaining the ref got it wrong.
Dont know if we'll ever be able to turn back the clock with the game becoming as scientific and dissected as it is these days but geez it would be nice.

With high def TV and 24hr sports channels those days are gone.

One mantra that gets repeated ad nausem on LU is "people will just accept mistakes" if we remove the Bunker and/or extra officials.

I give it 2 rounds before that myth gets busted.

 

[franklin2323]

With high def TV and 24hr sports channels those days are gone.

One mantra that gets repeated ad nausem on LU is "people will just accept mistakes" if we remove the Bunker and/or extra officials.

I give it 2 rounds before that myth gets busted.

That is fine. I’d rather try it and it fails than not try anything

 

[franklin2323]

Watched the '95 classic call game at the weekend on Fox.
A joy to behold. 1on1 or 2on1 tackles, straight up and play the ball, no wrestle, no man with the ball trying to milk a penalty, every play of the ball 1-2 secs quicker than now, one ref having no problem managing the game, touchies running on the field to report something. No multiple replays of every decision,commentator moving on not spending the next 4 sets complaining the ref got it wrong.
Dont know if we'll ever be able to turn back the clock with the game becoming as scientific and dissected as it is these days but geez it would be nice.

Mid 90’s- mid 00’s was great footy. Before that had markers raking at the ball to slow it and after 2005 wrestle took over

 

[Valheru]

Isn’t that we do anyway? Only after repeated penalties or try scoring situations does the bin get used.

So what has changed? The option to play on if there is no need to blow a penalty

Sometimes a penalty hurts the attacking team

Sin binning pretty much only happens for a professional foul i.e. after a line break the last man holds the ruck down or repeated team infringements.

What we are relying on here is the refs to have a 'feel' for the game and adjudicate accordingly.

You can bet your bottom dollar that what will happen is the ref will blow a penalty if the margin is equal to or less than 2 and call 6 again otherwise.

The problem with that is obvious. Think of a situation where your team is up by 6 and they get a 6 again call but fail to score, the other team then scores to tie things up and wins with a field goal. Your team would have obviously preferred to go 8 up.

There will be scenarios every week like that where teams would have preferred the other option.

 

[T-Boon]

I watched Andrew Johns debut on NRL.TV recently. 1994 Knights v South.

Very open, lots of offloads, mainly 1 and 2 man tackles, which meant the defense was no where near as organised, almost too much space. I think if it was played that way now some players would just drop from exhaustion. I wonder if they have stats on how many play the balls there are now compared to then.

 

[LineBall]

Mid 90’s- mid 00’s was great footy. Before that had markers raking at the ball to slow it and after 2005 wrestle took over

Raking at the ball from marker did little to slow the play the ball and happened rarely in a game. The game is poorer without it.

 

[big hit!]

Who said we are supposed to be simplifying it for the ref. In an idea world maybe yes but the stated objective (and this is music to real fans ears) is getting rid of wrestling.

lots of 'interpreting' and analysis of intent required by the referee.

we'll see if the cost justifies the means

 

[franklin2323]

Sin binning pretty much only happens for a professional foul i.e. after a line break the last man holds the ruck down or repeated team infringements.

What we are relying on here is the refs to have a 'feel' for the game and adjudicate accordingly.

You can bet your bottom dollar that what will happen is the ref will blow a penalty if the margin is equal to or less than 2 and call 6 again otherwise.

The problem with that is obvious. Think of a situation where your team is up by 6 and they get a 6 again call but fail to score, the other team then scores to tie things up and wins with a field goal. Your team would have obviously preferred to go 8 up.

There will be scenarios every week like that where teams would have preferred the other option.

how it is worded that will still happen. whether it does or not time will tell

 

[Perth Red]

Who said we are supposed to be simplifying it for the ref. In an idea world maybe yes but the stated objective (and this is music to real fans ears) is getting rid of wrestling.

How will it get rid of the wrestle? All its changing is 6 again over penalty at the discretion of the ref. If anything it is more likely to lead to more wrestling when you have opposition in their own half on tackles 1&2 as you are unlikley to concede ground with a penalty kick.

There are only two ways to get rid of the wrestle. Either limit to two men in the tackle or speed up the play of the ball call so players have to get off quicker, but we tried that and the media whinged at amount of penalties.