One Ref

[wilco44]

The question will evolve into what is a ruck 6 again call?

• getting up too
• Hand in the ruck
  
• chicken wing or leg pull
  
• stripping the ball in the ruck
  
• markers not standing square
  
• 3 or 4 markers
  
• when do you blow a penalty 2nd, 3rd or 4th occurrence
  
• when do you sin bin a player 3rd, 4th or 5th occurrence
• Walking off the mark
• Strinking for the ball
• Pushing the tackled player over when playing the

There iisn't anything called a ruck penalty in the rule book

They are all play the ball infringements

I never wrote it that good, but yes!
What I wrote beforehand - it won't last. Many refs should be saying a prayer then hassling. I'm a landscaper though at the moment I'm laid up for a few days - damn wisdom teeth. But I'm struggling to get work. Get your thumb out of your butt hole Refs.

 

[Perth Red]

Leaving 6 again or blowing the whistle for a penalty at the discretion of the refs is just asking for inconsistencies and subsequent whinging from tv and coaches. I’ll give this rule change two rounds before it’s scrapped!

 

[axl rose]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...y/news-story/9146b1f3da81a30475748985b7cfc60f

Players will be automatically sin-binned if they give a ruck penalty away and the bunker will increase its monitoring of the play the ball in sweeping new changes ahead of the NRL’s return on May 28.

The Saturday Telegraph has obtained the new rules issued to all clubs on Friday detailing how the game will function with just one referee and the introduction of a six-again verbal restart instead of a penalty.

The “six again procedure” outlined a raft of changes after referee’s boss Bernie Sutton spent the past two days detailing the amendments.

Among the biggest changes include;

– A ruck infringement will result in six again except for professional fouls, repeated infringements, where play has broken down. A full penalty can be blown in those instances.

– A professional foul or repeated infringement penalty will result in automatic sin bin.

– The referee will control the 10 metres with the assistance of an open side touch judge.

– Touch judge nearest the ruck will assist with monitoring the play the ball and is able to step onto the field.

– There will be a ruck spotter in the bunker who will assist the referee during breaks in play.

– If the referee decides a player while in possession deliberately breaks down play to milk a six again call into a full penalty the referee will order a scrum and hand possession to the defending team.

The six-again rule covers off holding down in a tackle, hand on the ball, crowding and leg pulls. The likes of grapples, facials and chicken wings will continue to be penalised and punished in the traditional way.

The documents also states in “a full penalty for a professional foul or repeated infringements, the offending player will be sent to the sin bin”.

“A repeated infringement scenario may arise where multiple six again restarts have been awarded and harsher action is requited”.

Teams do not have to be warned before the sin bin is used.

Markers not square will remain a penalty so too if an attacking player incorrectly plays the ball.

 

[shear_joy9]

sounds like its going to be a complete clusterf**k.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Usually it takes the whole off season for these planks to learn a couple of new rules, how the f**k are they going to learn all these changes in two weeks?????

 

[Danish]

– If the referee decides a player while in possession deliberately breaks down play to milk a six again call into a full penalty the referee will order a scrum and hand possession to the defending team.

Yep, that won't turn into a complete and utter cluster f**k of subjective interpretation at all...

 

[shear_joy9]

Usually it takes the whole off season for these planks to learn a couple of new rules, how the f**k are they going to learn all these changes in two weeks?????

good opportunity for jb hifi and Harvey norman to put some ads on advertising tv's for people needing one after throwing their remote at it

 

[big hit!]

So we've had broadcasters, players and now referees try to derail this season restarting.

Maybe it's just time to agree that the 2020 season is cursed.

changing the ruling in a significant area of the game 2 weeks out from re-start without consultation or trial, and changing the way officiating is done is all fine and dandy though.

there is no clarity about how the rule will be enforced

 

[big hit!]

Good point. That's because when we broke away from Union one of the ugly things we got rid of was rucks and replaced them with play the balls. Unfortunately over the last 20 years coaches have brought rucks back and we need rule changes to get rid of them again. We rejected rucks 100 years ago.

the ruck is a fit all term to describe the area and duration of play encompassing both the tackle and play-the-ball.

 

[Valheru]

If they were really trying to get rid of teams giving away penalties whilst defending their own line. Why not have a rule where the penalised player is removed from the field for the remainder of the teams possession?

Would give more opportunity to the attacking team, still give them the choice to take the penalty goal, and not completely change the rules.

Only problem with this is not all penalties on your own line are deliberate so do you give the refs discretion to determine what is deliberate which will lead to wild inconsistency or do you say any penalty within your own 20 results in the player being excluded including accidental high shots, 1 on 1 strips gone wrong etc.

 

[Valheru]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...y/news-story/9146b1f3da81a30475748985b7cfc60f

Players will be automatically sin-binned if they give a ruck penalty away and the bunker will increase its monitoring of the play the ball in sweeping new changes ahead of the NRL’s return on May 28.

The Saturday Telegraph has obtained the new rules issued to all clubs on Friday detailing how the game will function with just one referee and the introduction of a six-again verbal restart instead of a penalty.

The “six again procedure” outlined a raft of changes after referee’s boss Bernie Sutton spent the past two days detailing the amendments.

Among the biggest changes include;

– A ruck infringement will result in six again except for professional fouls, repeated infringements, where play has broken down. A full penalty can be blown in those instances.

– A professional foul or repeated infringement penalty will result in automatic sin bin.

– The referee will control the 10 metres with the assistance of an open side touch judge.

– Touch judge nearest the ruck will assist with monitoring the play the ball and is able to step onto the field.

– There will be a ruck spotter in the bunker who will assist the referee during breaks in play.

– If the referee decides a player while in possession deliberately breaks down play to milk a six again call into a full penalty the referee will order a scrum and hand possession to the defending team.

The six-again rule covers off holding down in a tackle, hand on the ball, crowding and leg pulls. The likes of grapples, facials and chicken wings will continue to be penalised and punished in the traditional way.

The documents also states in “a full penalty for a professional foul or repeated infringements, the offending player will be sent to the sin bin”.

“A repeated infringement scenario may arise where multiple six again restarts have been awarded and harsher action is requited”.

Teams do not have to be warned before the sin bin is used.

Markers not square will remain a penalty so too if an attacking player incorrectly plays the ball.

What a complete disaster.

So if im real desperate towards the end of the game with say a 4 point lead and we are struggling on the line. My team is better off if i commit a low grade chicken wing, facial or grapple as it will result in a penalty as opposed to a good old fashioned hand on the ball to slow things down.

So i am better off conducting more dangerous play in that instance, take my early plea for a first offence and play the following week.

 

[Valheru]

The more I think about this the more ridiculous it seems.

We are damn lucky to be able to restart play but of course the NRL aren't content with that, they have to make fundamental changes to the rules and how they are officiated 2 weeks out from resumption.

Only in rugby league would this happen.

 

[T-Boon]

The more I think about this the more ridiculous it seems.

We are damn lucky to be able to restart play but of course the NRL aren't content with that, they have to make fundamental changes to the rules and how they are officiated 2 weeks out from resumption.

Only in rugby league would this happen.

It would totally happen in the NFL. They take great pride in making rule changes so the rules always stay a step ahead of the scheming coaching for the good of the game play. We unfortunately let the game play suffer at the hands of coaches for 15 years and someone needs to fix it.

 

[Welsh RL & RU watcher]

The more I think about this the more ridiculous it seems.

We are damn lucky to be able to restart play but of course the NRL aren't content with that, they have to make fundamental changes to the rules and how they are officiated 2 weeks out from resumption.

Only in rugby league would this happen.

Rubbish, they're not massive changes, one, it's only the NRL who use two refs. Soccer changed the back pass rule about 2 weeks before a WC Finals or was it Euro Champs I think, need to check that, but the VAR was only announced a few weeks before the 2018 soccer WC. RU has changed laws mid season, they're always trying to tweek their ruck laws, and they've just banned being able to score tries by placing the ball at the bottom of the post protector, quite right too.

 

[T-Boon]

I heard McGuire does not like the rule changes because he likes the way RL is played as it is now but he is the one who gave us the term "the dark arts" (I think) and that deplorable style of play that Souths won with in 2015 or whenever. He has terrible taste.

 

[mxlegend99]

What a complete disaster.

So if im real desperate towards the end of the game with say a 4 point lead and we are struggling on the line. My team is better off if i commit a low grade chicken wing, facial or grapple as it will result in a penalty as opposed to a good old fashioned hand on the ball to slow things down.

So i am better off conducting more dangerous play in that instance, take my early plea for a first offence and play the following week.

You're complaining that it's harder for your team to manipulate the rules to hold onto a lead?

That's one scenario where the rules have potentially improved. The changes are awful though as there's too many ways the referee can screw a team over.

For the same infringement you could have potentially 4 different outcomes.

- 6 again. Should be most common
- penalty.
- penalty and sin bin
- attacking team is forced to hand the ball over

So when it gets to the sin bin territory... The referee could instead decide the attacking team is playing for penalties and give the ball to the team that has been purposely trying to hold down. Meaning his decision either gives the attacking team a penalty and a man advantage. Or takes possession from them. Two insanely huge game changing moments based on his interpretation of intentions.

 

[T-Boon]

the ruck is a fit all term to describe the area and duration of play encompassing both the tackle and play-the-ball.

I think its new though. I had not heard it in RL until I started hearing the phrase: "its all about winning the ruck". Your description of what a ruck is also leaves out the most important part which is all garbage between first contact and effecting the tackle. That's where all the wrestling is going on.

 

[Foreign Legion]

How about coaches start coaching players not to do stupid penalties. When I was a playing as a kid I was told every game don't make stupid penalties. The first team that can master this will win the GF... No brainer

 

[Valheru]

You're complaining that it's harder for your team to manipulate the rules to hold onto a lead?

That's one scenario where the rules have potentially improved. The changes are awful though as there's too many ways the referee can screw a team over.

For the same infringement you could have potentially 4 different outcomes.

- 6 again. Should be most common
- penalty.
- penalty and sin bin
- attacking team is forced to hand the ball over

So when it gets to the sin bin territory... The referee could instead decide the attacking team is playing for penalties and give the ball to the team that has been purposely trying to hold down. Meaning his decision either gives the attacking team a penalty and a man advantage. Or takes possession from them. Two insanely huge game changing moments based on his interpretation of intentions.

No I'm saying it's easier. If I'm a player i can now lay in the ruck with a 1 point lead with 6 again being the ramification in which time my defensive line will be set.

If it is a 3 point or more lead and we are really struggling ill juat commit a facial.

Just stick to it always being a penalty and sin bin.

 

[franklin2323]

We have had bigger rule changes mid season before. People are making it out to be worse then it is. What is the difference with touchies looking at the ruck than a 2nd ref? The only difference is one whistle which is good

As for 6 again it should flow better and the ref can still bin so again minimal change overall