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Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part III

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Canard

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Proposed Expansion team from Brisbane.

SEN and 3AW the two main talkback radio stations here in Melb, this morning this issue hasn't been mentioned ONCE.
 

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http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/testimony-from-former-cronulla-sharks-trainer-trent-elkin-forms-the-basis-of-asadas-case-against-sharks-players/story-fndv2ypb-1226632650809

Testimony from former Cronulla Sharks trainer Trent Elkin forms the basis of ASADA's case against Sharks players

ASADA's case against the majority of Cronulla players rests on testimony from ex-Sharks trainer Trent Elkin, who has allegedly told the agency that peptides were used at the club in 2011.

Allegations about Elkin's evidence were made during Monday's first player interview with Cronulla forward Wade Graham.

Sharks sources have confirmed Graham was confronted with Elkin's claim while ASADA lawyers and investigators grilled him for some four hours at a CBD office.

It's understood ASADA presented no other evidence that pointed toward the use of peptides or any banned substance that might warrant a two-year ban.

The Daily Telegraph can also reveal the tense interview, which was recorded, ended when ASADA discovered that one of Graham's lawyers was also acting for the other nine Sharks players on the hit-list.

ASADA interviewers became frustrated when Graham could not detail the use of peptides at the club, or by his teammates.

The 22-year-old gave limited responses to certain questions but otherwise co-operated fully.

But it's clear ASADA were unhappy with that approach, and at one stage threatened him with an infraction notice.

Graham's advisers quickly pointed out that the NRL are the only organisation that can issue first grade players with infraction notices.

There was suggestion yesterday that the NRL had given some consideration to doing so, to bypass the interview stalemate and escalate the case to an arena where all evidence must be presented in full.

But CEO Dave Smith last night denied those conversations had reached his desk, and has previously stated that no player will be handed a notice without proper evidence.

However, Smith did confirm that he would review the transcript of Graham's interview before considering the NRL's next move.

From the Graham interview at least, it appears Elkin's allegations are the biggest ace up ASADA's sleeve when it comes to the question of systematic doping at Cronulla between March and May 2011.

And Elkin has not endeared himself to Cronulla players and coaching staff by talking to ASADA, with three paying him a "please explain" visit a month ago.

Two plain-clothed security guards also shadowed Elkin, who now works at Parramatta, to protect him from disgruntled fans when he came face-to-face with his old club in round five.

Elkin has previously denied the provision of any banned substances.

His lawyer, Michael Malley, last night declined to directly respond to the claim that Elkin had told ASADA peptides were used at Sharks in 2011.

"This firm and Trent Elkin are under an obligation of confidentiality in relation to his interview with ASADA and we are both unable to comment in relation to your query," Malley said.

"However, we reiterate what our client stated in our firm's media release issued on 19/03/2013; "On the advice of my legal team, I have provided ASADA officials with a statement as part of their investigation and gave an honest account of the period in question. I have never condoned the use of performance enhancing drugs and I have not ever knowingly worked with anyone who did."

Sports scientist Stephen Dank - the investigation's central figure who oversaw the supplement program - confirmed last week that players were offered peptides.

It's understood most of the 10 Sharks players wanted for interview have only been implicated thanks to their participation in Dank's program. Dank vigorously denies any wrongdoing and maintains that the supplement program was above board. ASADA is abreast of intelligence that suggests a minority of players sourced their own supplements.

It's understood the agency planned to interview those players last, in a bid to build a stronger case by extracting further information from their teammates.

But the interviews have once again been delayed, leaving ASADA to try to convince the NRL to revoke the players' right against self-incrimination.

Should the NRL stand firm, there now appears little ASADA can do to compel any player to answer critical questions in the absence of overwhelming evidence.

I know its from a News Ltd website (BOO!) :cool:
 

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So do we have an ASADA conspiracy? An AFL conspiracy? A Labor party conspiracy? Or just the fact that some Australian athletes have taken performance enhancing drugs?

The tin foil hats in here at times make it hard to follow lol
 

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To me, its pretty clear there is some PED usage issues in both codes (and other sports)

Im more amazed at one of the subplots, which is the battle of PR machines.

One that the Sharks are losing badly, Essendon have come out on the front foot and leaked a report which puts forward a view that they were "duped" by dodgy sports scientists.

Whilst the Sharks sat on there hands until recently and let the media dictate the agenda, so now instead of "we were duped" its dodgy sports scientists saying "yeh I gave it to them".
 
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To me, its pretty clear there is some PED usage issues in both codes (and other sports)

Im more amazed at one of the subplots, which is the battle of PR machines.

One that the Sharks are losing badly, Essendon have come out on the front foot and leaked a report which puts forward a view that they were "duped" by dodgy sports scientists.

Whilst the Sharks sat on there hands until recently and let the media dictate the agenda, so now instead of "we were duped" its dodgy sports scientists saying "yeh I gave it to them".
But in the end it wont make one bit of difference.
If players from both clubs took peds then they will more than likely get the same outcome,no matter what way the media cover it.
There is too much attention focused on this circus for any favouritism,plus Dave Smith would not allow NRL players to be treated worse than sportsman from the AFL.
 

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But in the end it wont make one bit of difference.
If players from both clubs took peds then they will more than likely get the same outcome,no matter what way the media cover it.
There is too much attention focused on this circus for any favouritism,plus Dave Smith would not allow NRL players to be treated worse than sportsman from the AFL.

I tend to agree and hope your right.

But its also about the court of public opinion, which at the moment is pointing to the Sharks as "crooks!" and to the other code as "poor gullible fools who were suckered!"
 

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I think it's wrong to compare the two cases tbh.

The Sharks issues are over a 6 week period in 2011 which was stamped out as soon as their club doctor found out what Dank was doing, a lot of the players probably don't even remember what they took under Dank and Sharks management had no idea. Essendon's issues are over the entire 2012 season and the head coach and perhaps even management knew about the entire program and ticked off on it. (so now they are blaming a fake letter)

One looks like a case bordering on systematic doping, the other looks like a rogue sports scientist.
 
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But in the end it wont make one bit of difference.
If players from both clubs took peds then they will more than likely get the same outcome,no matter what way the media cover it.
There is too much attention focused on this circus for any favouritism,plus Dave Smith would not allow NRL players to be treated worse than sportsman from the AFL.

The outcome may be different depending on how the players/clubs interact with ASADA. Remember the Sharkies players were allegedly offered 6 month deals if they "rolled over", which they appear to have rejected (speculation). The Bombers might have just taken Up that offer. Won't please the conspiracy theorists around here if that is the case.
 

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I think it's wrong to compare the two cases tbh.

The Sharks issues are over a 6 week period in 2011 which was stamped out as soon as their club doctor found out what Dank was doing, a lot of the players probably don't even remember what they took under Dank and Sharks management had no idea. Essendon's issues are over the entire 2012 season and the head coach and perhaps even management knew about the entire program and ticked off on it. (so now they are blaming a fake letter)

One looks like a case bordering on systematic doping, the other looks like a rogue sports scientist.

You see I 100% agree with what you are saying, but that definitely ISN'T how its being portrayed to the media.

I mean the story down here in Melbourne is the Bombers now are getting the AFP involved because they NOW believe letter from WADA approving AOD is a fake. So its "we were duped" There PR machine is basically blaming the sports scientists.

Whereas the Sharks are being portrayed as complicit in the whole thing, and the Sydney media is shit scared to point the finger at the Sports scientists, to the point where it appears the Sport science guys are virtually blaming the Sharks!
 
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So ASADA became frustrated when Wade didn't detail peptide use by himself or teammates. Poor diddums.
I like that they threatened him and got promptly told to f**k off by his lawyers.
 
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I think the big difference between Sharks and Essendon is the consent forms the Essendon players signed. They name the player, the drugs they took (some of which are clearly banned) and are dated, signed by witnesses and the players. You can't get any more f**ked than that. The Sharks players on the other hand might get away with it if they don't admit to anything.
 

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So ASADA became frustrated when Wade didn't detail peptide use by himself or teammates. Poor diddums.
I like that they threatened him and got promptly told to f**k off by his lawyers.

thats the way it looks to me. i dont think they have any hard evidence and are going at the players akin to an interrogation to try and get them to confess something, anything that they may be able to use. players won't repsond with what they want so asada will just keep postponing interviews and claim they arent getting any cooperation.

i think asada's belief through this farce is that they'll threaten a 2 year band and players will start throwing names and anything they can to avoid it. it's possible that some of these players being inteviewed actually know nothing about peptides or whats been taken but asada has to get a scalp and if you keep interrogating people they eventually confess to something to shut you up


wade grahame (if judging by the way he dresses) may actually be pretty dopey anyway and wouldnt have a clue what they're talking about regardless and they've suspended interviews thinking he's foxing them but he's actually just too stupid to give them anything of use
 

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I think you would have to be incredibly naive to believe that there are NO issues in Australian sports with PEDs.

but this doesnt mean its the darkest day in sports, nor does it mean there's been a process of systematic doping which asada was initially alleging.
 

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but this doesnt mean its the darkest day in sports, nor does it mean there's been a process of systematic doping which asada was initially alleging.

Im not sure what my response to Parra's has to do with what you have posted to be honest.

Despite some of the George Bush nature of posters in this thread, to have an opinion on this matter doesn't mean that your 100% supportive of the views of either side.
 
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