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Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part III

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butchmcdick

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Heard a news report saying Joe Wilson from Essington has admitted to taking a banned substance.

Just saw that on sky morning news

Their captain no less

He claims the club doctor told him it was legal. I didn't think that was a valid excuse under the WADA code
 

Spot On

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Just saw that on sky morning news

Their captain no less

He claims the club doctor told him it was legal. I didn't think that was a valid excuse under the WADA code

I'm assuming ASADA already know all of this as they have interviewed the Essendon players and Tom Harley guaranteed all BSB listeners that every AFL player interviewed would tell the truth!!!
 

butchmcdick

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:)

Watson seemed pretty calm confessing

I guess my point is the ol the club doctor gave it to me excuse won't fly within the WADA code
 

Frailty

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Says he took banned substance, he signed a consent form, but his club doctor gave it to him...

If they don't have the book thrown at them, then ASADA should be immediately shut down because they lose any credibility they had left.
 

elbusto

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BROWNLOW medallist Jobe Watson has revealed he took a drug he believed to be AOD-9604 - a substance since confirmed as banned under anti-doping rules.
The Essendon captain said he signed a consent form outlining how he would be administered with the drug. The form was co-signed by sacked sports scientist Stephen Dank, Watson said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ok-a-banned-drug/story-fni5f6kv-1226669045577

Watson said he believed he took the anti-obesity drug last year - his Brownlow season.

Medical updates for every club
Watson said he had no reason to feel guilty about his part in Essendon's supplements program, which was described by club-appointed investigator Ziggy Switkowski in May as a "pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged or documented".



Brownlow medallist Jobe Watson


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Brownlow medallist Jobe Watson. Source: Herald Sun




"I signed that consent form," Watson said. "My understanding after it being given through (Essendon doctor) Bruce Reid and the club (was) that I was receiving AOD. (I believed) that it was legal at the time and that's what I was told I was being given."

NEWS+ SUBSCRIBERS: WATCH THE WATSON INTERVIEW AT SUPERFOOTY.COM.AU TODAY

The World Anti-Doping Agency stated AOD-9604, which is not approved for human use, is banned for athletes.
“The understanding that we had through the advice that we'd got was it was a legal substance,'' Watson said.
“I still to this day believe that we've done nothing wrong.''
Watson said the number of injections administered at Windy Hill last year was “a new frontier for us''.
“… having that many injections was something I had not experienced in AFL football before,'' Watson told Fox Footy's On The Couch.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is 4 ½ months into its investigation into Essendon's supplements program in 2012.
Players are liable for bans of up to two years if charged under the World Anti-Doping Agency code and found guilty by the AFL tribunal.
The AFL has the power to impose separate penalties on players and the club if it finds the game has been brought into disrepute.
Watson said he had a “different take'' to his ASADA interview than former Bomber Mark McVeigh.
“There are things that you hear in this interview that you know nothing about and you've never heard before and they are quite alarming,'' McVeigh said after his grilling.
“When I say alarming, I mean things that people may have done who are no longer at the club that no one knew about.''
Watson said he believed Dank was “very knowledgeable''.
“He had an extensive background in professional sport in Australia and (I understood) that he had a great understanding of the supplement field,'' Watson said.
“In my talking with him that's the impression I got.''

THE Federal Government has moved a step closer to forcing Dank to answer questions in an official ASADA interview.

Sports Minister Kate Lundy said legislation passed by the Senate would strengthen ASADA's investigative powers.

Under the bill, which the Government hopes to fast-track through the House of Representatives this week, ASADA can summon individuals using the threat of non-compliance fines of up to $5100 a day.
 

El Diablo

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Just saw that on sky morning news

Their captain no less

He claims the club doctor told him it was legal. I didn't think that was a valid excuse under the WADA code

Says he took banned substance, he signed a consent form, but his club doctor gave it to him...

If they don't have the book thrown at them, then ASADA should be immediately shut down because they lose any credibility they had left.

yup

he must be punished or Labor have arranged for them to be let off

ASADA said this ages ago http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...only-way-to-mitigate-bans-20130317-2g9bx.html

Turning Judas on teammates only way to mitigate bans

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Roy Masters
Rugby League Columnist

NRL and AFL players guilty of doping infractions have almost no chance of escaping without sanction, and will be required to inform on a teammate or a member of a club's football department to receive a reduced penalty.

In an exclusive interview with Fairfax Media, Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority chief executive Aurora Andruska also exploded some of the myths around the drugs crisis involving NRL and AFL clubs. There are three defences against a doping charge: "A doctor stuck a needle in me while I was having an operation", "I was assured the product I was taking was not on the banned list" and the "substantial assistance" option.

"The only time a zero sanction has been given was when the athlete has been unconscious during surgery by a doctor," Andruska said. "That is a very high bar.

"To get a zero sanction on the second defence, the bar is also very high. In my period at ASADA, I am yet to see that defence sustained."


This defence would require the athlete proving he had asked multiple questions of doctors, trainers and the ASADA hotline before taking the substance. Media reports cite it as a potential get out of jail card but, given the regular injections taken by the NRL and AFL players who have relied on the word of a sports scientist, it seems an impossible defence.


Andruska said the "substantial assistance" option, which can reduce a penalty by 75 per cent, cutting a two-year ban to six months, must result in a doping violation against someone else. "It's not a case of the athlete saying, 'Yes, I did the wrong thing'," Andruska said. "He has to give information on others that means other charges coming to light."

Asked if this meant, say, a winger volunteering, "I took a peptide and so did my centre teammate," Andruska gave a firm "Yes".

Up to 150 players have been reported as involved but it's probably closer to 40 NRL players, together with football staff members, embroiled in the investigation. Andruska implied ASADA's recommendations to the NRL Doping Panel on sanctions could vary.

"There are a vast range of individuals caught up in this. There are young, indigenous players with literacy problems, " she said in reference to the confronting scientific language of the ASADA banned list.

"There are also the old campaigners who have had [doping] education, education, education. This is not a case of one size fits all."

Andruska also dismissed media reports that the drugs allegedly taken by Sharks players were not on the banned list. "The substances were prohibited in 2011," she said in reference to the period sports scientist Stephen Dank allegedly injected players with peptides.

There appears to be confusion between a drug for which there is no known test and its inclusion on the banned list. Growth hormone- releasing peptides were banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency in 2004 but one, GHRP-6, was not detectable by tests in 2011 when it was allegedly used by Sharks players.

Even now, Andruska said, "It can only be detectable within an hour of use. It can be applied in cream form as well. We froze urine samples but without a test available, it was up to our intelligence to gather the information."

One-third of sanctions now come from investigation, rather than testing. "Testing will pick up the dopey doper who takes cannabis or steroids but some of the things people were using had not been tested for human use," Andruska said, a reference to the equine substance mentioned in the Australian Crime Commission report. "Not even tested on humans!

"By working with the ACC, we got ahead of the curve", she said in reference to the lag between the chemists and the testers.

Andruska revealed ASADA began gathering information 18 months ago, and shared it with the ACC a year ago.

"The ACC became interested in crime's links with sport, and we shared information, which was a very fruitful exercise," she said.

Intelligence comes from a variety of sources, including tips by former coaches and teammates.

"The disgruntled girlfriend rings in, or we overhear a conversation that this particular peptide is OK, even Google searches were a very revealing link to motorcycle gangs," Andruska said. "We had solid, robust information. It would have taken us years without the powers of the ACC. They get information out of people quickly.

"We can only use this information as a pointer but these pointers matched up with our own sourced information. I think we really helped them."

ASADA still require the co-operation of the NRL and AFL to conclude the investigation.

Contrary to reports claiming ASADA will rely on a bill before parliament to trap more NRL and AFL players, the existing players' contracts and the codes' agreement with ASADA make co-operation mandatory. "We have been able to secure evidence from the clubs, and we are working with the NRL extremely well," Andruska said.

Furthermore, the additional investigators required should not imply more digging is needed. Asked whether, in ASADA's terms, investigator equalled interviewer, Andruska said, "Yes."

"We have been given additional resources, plus we have an additional 10 investigators on standby the minute we need them."

ASADA's investigation could be resolved more quickly than first feared. "There is nothing in the way of resources slowing down the investigation," Andruska said. "It is proceeding as timely as possible. I have everything I need."
 

elbusto

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Given the admissions made by the AFL player above, ASADA has no option other than to apply a penalty. This is gold for those of us who have had serious concerns about the way ASADA has been managing the issue with each code.
 

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THE Federal Government has moved a step closer to forcing Dank to answer questions in an official ASADA interview.

Sports Minister Kate Lundy said legislation passed by the Senate would strengthen ASADA's investigative powers.

Under the bill, which the Government hopes to fast-track through the House of Representatives this week, ASADA can summon individuals using the threat of non-compliance fines of up to $5100 a day.

Why are they fast-tracking it now when this has been going on for 4 1/2 months?

Watson / Essendon appear to be in a bit of bother. My concern as a Sharks supporter is ASADA may be "forced" to apply similar penalties to Cronulla as they have for Essendon, even though our scenario may be similar but quite different.

I can see an AFL / NRL war if words developing in the media.
 

Rosetta

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It's quite obvious that once again ASADA have leaked to the AFL that the breaches will be coming so suddenly out of nowhere Watson reveals he took a banned substance to get on the front foot.

This is quite the farce.
 

magpie4ever

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Looks like it might be coming to an end, sooner than later. Heard on the radio, ASADA have only one more interview to do with a Essendon player/manager/ coach (named but meant zero to me).

I'll go out on a limb and say any infraction notices will be issued by the end of August.
 

PoWdErFiNgEr84

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Do you think this pretty much confirms that Essendon is in fact the team named in the report. Whatever happened to the NRL forcing all the other sports to attend to press conference. Epic fail of journalism right there!
 

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It's quite obvious that once again ASADA have leaked to the AFL that the breaches will be coming so suddenly out of nowhere Watson reveals he took a banned substance to get on the front foot.

This is quite the farce.

Painfully obvious. They've been given the heads up before and all the way through this fiasco. This will be most interesting watching how this unfolds.
 
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Sugar

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Painfully obvious. They've been given the heads before and up all the way through this fiasco. This will be most interesting watching how this unfolds.

On the front, on the knees with mouth open waiting for Asada.
Back room deal done with owning up and only copping a 6mth ban........but the ban starts the day after the GF, poor Essendon players will be banned for the off season.
No punishment there
 

magpie4ever

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On the front, on the knees with mouth open waiting for Asada.
Back room deal done with owning up and only copping a 6mth ban........but the ban starts the day after the GF, poor Essendon players will be banned for the off season.
No punishment there

People get up BM for making f**khead statements; but this has got too be the f**khead statement of all time.
 

Tommax25

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Was curious to see how Big Footy were taking the news and I found this on the first page of the thread about it:

"lol nice. Seems Essendon will be clear after all."

They are DELUSIONAL in there:crazy:
 

Diesel

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I don't think AFL fans of other clubs will be too impressed either if Essendon get a 6 month ban the day after their last game of the year.

The deluded hardcore idiots defending Essendon and the AFL saying they have done no wrong just don't get it
 

magpie4ever

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If you HAD to guess what the outcome was going to be, what would be your prediction?

Ok, if I had a GUESS - I would say this:

I reckon there will be numerous infraction notices handed out to Essendon players - the AFL will need to follow the WADA/ASADA penalty code; players (the majority) will be banned for 2 years while some will get lesser bans. I see the Essendon club being banned (at least for a number of years) due multi-player bans (I believe if 4 or more players are banned due to drug use the club is likely to be banned, as well). I also reckon other AFL players from other clubs will go - but as individuals.

Unfortunately, I think a similar situation is likely to occur at Cronulla. Other NRL players will go from other clubs, as well, but as individuals. Manly could also have problems.
 

bartman

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Unfortunately, I think a similar situation is likely to occur at Cronulla. Other NRL players will go from other clubs, as well, but as individuals. Manly could also have problems.
Indeed. Will be a travesty if they don't have all of this sorted out before the finals so they can deduct the competition points and let another team fill the Shark's semi-finals place.
 
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