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Organised crime and ElephantJuice in sport investigation part IV

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elbusto

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What an amazing read in the SMH.
Clearly there has been an agenda set against Elkin from the sharks.
I dunno about the big picture I am just a young player but I reckon Shane Flanagan comes across a bit sus from this article.

There is lot written between the lines.

I'm not sure where to go fro here from a shire perspective.
Elkin seems honest
Maybe it's up to Flanagan to respond. Elkin even backed up the ex doctor that was sacked as well.

In that case the article achieved its aim.
 

Perth Red

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I thought the article paints a dim picture of him. He basically admits he didn't do a good job in finding out what players were being injected with and didn't show good governance in checking that the Dr and coach were in full agreement with the program he was over seeing Neil after the event.
 

Matthew Corner

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Well I am confused about a couple of things.

Firstly, who is Elkin talking about in the article that has lied to save their skin??

This seems pretty obvious. It would have to be Flanagan or the trainers or the footy manager.
The footy manager and the the trainer Noakes have both been reinstated.....
Flanagan got 9 months as compared to Elkins 2 years........

Pretty sure there is some mud being thrown in that direction.
The only way we would ever find out if their statements were released to the public.

On another note David Smith seems like a dimwit with an agenda from this article if that is true...
Why wouldn't Smith want to meet him personally?
 

Canard

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I thought the article paints a dim picture of him. He basically admits he didn't do a good job in finding out what players were being injected with and didn't show good governance in checking that the Dr and coach were in full agreement with the program he was over seeing Neil after the event.

Agreed. Not sure how people are getting "agenda" out of him admitting that players under his care where given stuff that he didn't fully know the specifics of.

What about the gullibility of someone offering you something for nothing. What is this guy?? geniused?
 

Cletus

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They knew at least a year before that, warned Essendon not to use peptides and were clearly lying when they said they didn't tip them off. Adrian Anderson resigning and Demetriou giving it up where both sign posts along the way. Demetriou's interview where he pretended he didn't know it was Essendon was laughable.
 

Rosetta

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https://twitter.com/IntegrityUnit

AFL Integrity Unit @IntegrityUnit
Our main worry with the court case is that it will create an expectation of transparency and due process. The AFL just isn't built for that.

:lol:

After reading the articles in the Oz today Hird has a bloody solid case, AFL and ASADA clearly pressured by Gillard minister's to try and get it "out the way" as attacking the AFL was seen as a vote loser so started partaking in some very questionable activity.

From http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...ird-and-essendon/story-fnca0u4y-1227018619193

At a meeting in Canberra on June 4, Lundy’s departmental deputy secretary Glenys Beauchamp delivered ASADA officials instructions from the minister. According to notes taken by Elen Perdikogiannis, ASADA’s general manager of anti-doping programs and legal services, Beauchamp told them: “Min — her colleagues at her, or accusing her of hampering chances of re-election — you need an outcome.’’

Andruska’s notes taken from the same meeting spell out what that outcome would be: “Deal with AFL — support staff sacked, points off, players off.’’ Essendon coaches would lose their jobs, Essendon would be stripped of premiership points and dumped from the finals series and the players would escape sanction.

Just making up dodgy deals on the fly.
 
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El Diablo

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how dumb is this bloke :crazy:

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breakin...looks-for-circuit-breaker/20140814-3dnvk.html

Essendon looks for 'circuit breaker'
Posted by: 3AW Mornings | 14 August, 2014 - 9:34 AM

Essendon will ask the Federal Government to intervene and act as a "circuit-breaker" if it wins its court action against ASADA.

The anti-doping body has signalled it will reissue show-cause notices to players within 24 hours if the Federal Court finds its joint investigation with the AFL was illegal.

A decision is expected next month after this week's three-day trial.

In the 3AW studio, Bombers chairman Paul Little told Neil Mitchell he will attempt to contact Sports Minister Peter Dutton in a bid to end the saga quickly.

"I will ask him to try and find a circuit-breaker," Little told Neil Mitchell.

"I think the whole community's got deal-fatigue with this investigation, and if the sports minister's able to find a way through it then I think that's in everyone's best interests."
 

gUt

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We've all got deal-fatigue, it's in everyone's best interests that the alleged drug cheats at Essingford get away with it.
 

Chook

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If the AFL wanted to torpedo this investigation they have gone about it in the best possible way by creating this legal minefield, I just don't think they are that smart to have concocted this from the beginning.

Could they have been this stupid on purpose?

Chook.
 

Starkers

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if they've cocked it up on purpose there would be some handsome golden handshakes for vlad and another for when gil leaves/gets chopped. neither are employable outside the AFL after this. melbourne is a strange place though, may slip into a cushy role somewhere, ala steve vizard.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...plements-scandal/story-fnca0von-1227024838680
ASADA seeks a meeting with Cronulla players over supplements scandal

The Australian
August 15, 2014 12:00AM

Brent Read
Senior Sports Writer

CRONULLA players at the centre of the ongoing investigation into supplement use at the club may be about to learn their fate as the Australian Sports Anti-*Doping Agency seeks a meeting next week to discuss the next step in what has become a long and painstaking process.

Sources confirmed to the The Australian that after nearly 12 months of no contact between the parties, talks had resumed this week as ASADA and the NRL look to bring the matter to a close.

It is understood ASADA has sought a meeting for next week with the players to outline their next move, which suggests either they are about to drop the case or issue show cause notices against those who took part in the club’s supplement program in 2011.

The Australian attempted to contact representatives of the players yesterday but they failed to return calls. The NRL also declined to comment.

ASADA last night denied calling a meeting with NRL players. It is understood the latest contact was with only selected Sharks players and has not involved all the players implicated in the *investigation.

However, if show-cause notices are issued as they were in the Essendon case in the AFL, the players will have 10 days to argue why they should not be issued with infraction notices.

Once the infraction notices are issued, players will face bans of up to two years, although it is believed they could receive discounts of up to 75 per cent for providing substantial assistance to the investigation. That could mean the players receiving suspensions of six months, the vast majority of which would be served over the off-season.

Rumours of impending action against Sharks players have been swirling for months, yet ASADA's decision to contact those involved appears to be concrete evidence the case may be about to take a seismic leap forward.

The Sharks have already suffered immeasurable damage as a result of the investigation. Financially, the club has taken a hit through lost sponsorship and legal fees, with costs spiralling beyond the million-dollar mark.

Coach Shane Flanagan also became a casualty when he was given a nine-month suspension from the NRL over governance issues during the 11-week period when Steve Dank was at the club.

Flanagan is due to meet the NRL next week ahead of his return to coaching duties with the club next month. When he returns, he could do so to a skeleton squad should ASADA decide to sanction players, as it has in the case of Essendon.

The Bombers are currently engaged in a court battle with ASADA as they argue over the legality of the investigation into the club and its players. The Sharks have ruled out taking court action should ASADA’s findings go against the club.

Sharks chief executive Steve Noyce said he was unable to comment on the ongoing investi*gation and whether ASADA had contacted player representatives.

“It's a confidential matter between the players and the solicitors,” Noyce said.

“There is requirement for them to engage with us.”

However, Noyce said everyone at the club would be happy to see the investigation come to a close, given the matter had been ongoing since February last year, when the NRL was among the sports on stage at the press conference to announce what has been dubbed “the blackest day in Australian sport”.

“I think everyone from the time it happened has been waiting for it to come to a close,” Noyce said. “There's been lots of things written … that it's going to come to a close. Obviously the Essendon matter is in the courts this week. Whether that brings it quicker or slower I am not sure.

“We’ll keep working our way through all the other challenges we have from time to time with players being crook and injured.”

The Sharks have endured a woeful season, with injury decimating the squad. Backrower Luke Lewis is understood to have undergone knee surgery yesterday, which ruled him out of the rest of the NRL season.

There was some good news for the club yesterday, when it announced Canterbury back Mitch Brown would return next season on a two-year deal.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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I only want to see one of 2 results come of this:

1) Sharks are kicked out (the obvious choice)

2) SHarks are found to be totally innocent and therefore can claim damages, a public apology, ect... (I mean, this is just shitting all over the clubs image)
 

thorson1987

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I only want to see one of 2 results come of this:

1) Sharks are kicked out (the obvious choice)

2) SHarks are found to be totally innocent and therefore can claim damages, a public apology, ect... (I mean, this is just shitting all over the clubs image)

What a shame number 1 won't be happening.
 
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Neither will #2. When Irvine comments in the media that his players have taken horse drugs, I think your ability to sue someone external to the club for damages is limited.
 
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