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Organised crime and ElephantJuice in sport investigation part IV

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Stagger Lee

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No club should still have dank working for them, he should be banned by the nrl and afl for ever.

Why the need to ban him and go through a legal minefield?

Which professional team in Australia, of any code, would employ him?

I would deny the slimy turd any chance of clearing his name :x
 

Perth Red

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I think the nrl will ban the sharks and introduce a new team in Perth.

Getting some blood in it yet?

You think so? :lol:

I know playing for the sharks is bad but can you really consider it a sanction? Lol

"The NRL can say it's done something" what? Banning drug cheats for 3 games, really?
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ks-backdated-suspensions-20140821-106tnj.html

No guarantees WADA won't appeal Cronulla Sharks' backdated suspensions

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August 21, 2014 - 8:00PM

Brad Walter
Chief Rugby League Writer

World Anti-Doping Authority officials have refused to rule out an appeal against the backdated suspensions offered to members of Cronulla's 2011 squad that would allow the players to miss just three matches for pleading guilty to unknowingly taking banned substances.

Seventeen past and present Sharks players have until 9.30am on Friday to accept the offer or contest allegations by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority that they had taken CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 between rounds two and five of the 2011 season.

If they take up the offer, the players will be stood down immediately and suspended for 12 months – but with the bans backdated to November 21 last year.

However, the players are concerned that WADA may appeal and after making an admission they could face a lengthier ban.

WADA chief executive David Howman said he was unable to give any guarantees until the process had run its course and the cases had been reviewed.

"As is normal with the Australian system, show cause notices are issued and players have a window of time to respond to the notices," Howman said. "Once this has taken place, and hearings have been completed, WADA will review the reasons for any final decisions made, and subsequently will be in a position to decide whether or not to use its independent right of appeal.

"From a WADA standpoint, each case must be looked at individually and on its own merit. Our role is to ensure that decisions are compliant with the code, and this situation will be no different. We will carry out that function once the process is complete."

Howman said WADA was in regular contact with ASADA about the investigation but was not aware of details of the offer outlined to the Cronulla players at meetings on Wednesday, where they were also given show cause notices.

However, Howman said there had been other cases in which athletes were given backdated sanctions.

"The code allows a degree of flexibility for sanction start dates – it depends on the details of each specific case at hand," he said.

Former WADA president John Fahey said US sprinter Tyson Gay was one athlete who had received a backdated one-year suspension after testing positive for an anabolic steroid but he questioned whether the Sharks players were entitled to the same leniency.

"What Tyson Gay did to get his suspension backdated was he gave back all the prizemoney and he voluntarily agreed that all results were obliterated, so he was struck from the records everywhere for the period from when the offence occurred," Mr Fahey said.

"There is a provision to do that, but what is the NRL going to do, take the points off Cronulla? Are the players going to give all their money back that they received in that period or is the NRL going to fine them whatever their contracts are worth for the period of season 2014? That may justify it, as far as I see it, in the context of backdating suspensions.

"But I am sure it will be looked at thoroughly by WADA before the matter is over and they will make up their mind whether there is sufficient justification for the backdating. And if not, there will be an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport."

It is understood that ASADA offered the players a 12-month suspension as investigators accepted they were entitled to a 50 per cent discount on the usual two-year ban through the "no significant fault" clause in the WADA code.

It was also decided to backdate the bans to last November, as that is when ASADA believes it would have been in a position to lay charges against the Cronulla players if not faced with administrative delays caused by the simultaneous investigation into the supplements program at AFL club Essendon.

However, Mr Fahey said he would have been more comfortable with the players receiving six month bans for providing substantial assistance that ended early next season.

"With the new code coming in on January 1 which allows athletes to go back to training when there is 25 per cent of their sentence still to run, they could be back training in mid-February," Mr Fahey said.

"I have little doubt that these players unintentionally did what they did or without knowledge they were committing an offence, but the code says intent is irrelevant. I have a level of sympathy for the players because most players will do what their coach or senior officials tell them."
 

thorson1987

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So from that article, the proposed deal is from the NRL themselves? Interesting. If that's true has the NRL run this by WADA before offering it to make sure there are no appeals from WADAs side of things?

The only way the NRL would offer a deal like that is if they had the approval of ASADA first.
 

jargan83

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How can the Sharks players only have 48 hours to decide whether to take a deal or fight it when ASADA's rules state that have 10 days?
 

Perth Red

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NRL have made the offer with asada's support by sound of it. Doesn't sound like wada will be very impressed given the players have had no sanctions imposed in the deal for the first 9 months.
 

some11

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I suspect they'll tell them to go f**k themselves and play out the rest of the season.

Whatever "deal" they take will be a trap.
 
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If the arsewipes at ASADA had any real evidence that could stand up to a court case, they wouldn't be agreeable to offering any kind of deal.

It's a bullshyte way of getting some scalps.

Any player that is unaware of what was given to them should tell them to shove their offer up their arse and fight it
 

Perth Red

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They'll take it or could face two years, the retired players I suspect will not. What about the SL players?
 

elbusto

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NRL have made the offer with asada's support by sound of it. Doesn't sound like wada will be very impressed given the players have had no sanctions imposed in the deal for the first 9 months.

Maybe WADA are as sick of this as the rest of us!
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-to-accept-sixmonth-bans-20140821-106qv2.html

ASADA tables offer to AFL for Essendon Bombers players to accept six-month bans

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August 21, 2014 - 10:00PM

Roy Masters
Rugby League Columnist

ASADA has tabled with AFL chief executive, Gillon McLachlan, a six-month sanction for Essendon players, on the condition they accept they took performance-enhancing substances in 2011-12.

If Essendon wait until the Federal Court's Justice John Middleton brings down his decision in the club's case that a joint AFL/ASADA investigation was unlawful, the offer will be withdrawn.

ASADA is willing to accept Essendon players were doped and duped and therefore qualify for a WADA "no significant fault" discount, taking the standard two-year ban for use of prohibited substances down to 12 months.

ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt is also willing to apply the 75 per cent discount which applies to all athletes who concede guilt and whose evidence leads to a doping infraction being issued against another person. Essendon players co-operated with ASADA from the first days of the investigation, when the anti-doping body joined the AFL in order to take advantage of its coercive powers. However, the 75 per cent discount applies to the full sentence, meaning it is an 18-month concession on two years, not one year. That is, six months.

NRL players were effectively offered a three-month ban, with their year-long sanction backdated to November, 2013. Ironically, the AFL and its supporters in Canberra precipitated this. The ASADA Act allows for administrative delays in bringing a case to a conclusion to mitigate a sentence. The joint AFL/ASADA investigation, promoted by senior public servants in the government of Julia Gillard, shifted ASADA's already stretched resources away from Sydney to Melbourne, meaning the Cronulla investigation was effectively placed on hold.

The AFL, by bullying ASADA into producing evidence for an interim report to punish the club, coach James Hird and other Essendon staff, drew resources away from the NRL. The co-operation of WADA is mandatory for all discounted bans and McDevitt may have a difficult task convincing the Montreal-based world body to accept the proposed Essendon ban of six months

A level of co-operation with a national anti-doping body is necessary to sustain discounted sanctions. Essendon, by taking ASADA to the Federal Court, could be perceived to being unco-operative, while Cronulla's board ruled out legal action, irrespective of ASADA penalties. While Essendon players were not a party to the action taken by their club and Hird, they were represented by a leading Melbourne barrister, David Grace QC.

Furthermore, club president Paul Little, has persistently claimed Essendon players are not guilty of taking performance-enhancing substances and has aggravated ASADA by saying publicly it will not communicate with him. It is understood ASADA's initial reticence to meet Little was only prior to the issue of show cause notices to 34 past and present Essendon players, where he deemed it would be a conflict of interest.

All that is required under the ASADA Act, for the anti-doping body to issue an infraction notice, is to establish to its satisfaction that evidence of a doping breach took place. It is presumed in the case of Essendon it is the use of the banned thymosin drug.

ASADA has also requested McLachlan issue a life ban against sports scientist Stephen Dank, the architect of the supplements program at Essendon and Cronulla, although the anti-doping body accepts this is the only common link between the two football clubs.

The Essendon campaign extended over a full year, with multiple injections where, despite the magisterial authority of Hird, players could have been expected to ask after say the fifth needle what were the substances and why was the operation conducted off site and requiring signed waivers.

By contrast, the Cronulla drugs regime was brief and ad hoc, administered after the captain's run final training session, from a corporate box at the club's home ground, with supplements stored amateurishly in an esky. The Cronulla club doctor quickly banned all injections and the program quickly reverted to use of creams and lozenges.

It is anticipated a three-month ban of past and present Cronulla players, where only five (one who has already announced his retirement) remain at the club, will be more palatable to NRL clubs than if the same punishment was applied to Essendon, where more than 20 players remain. Rival AFL clubs will contend the damage done to the AFL brand is greater in Melbourne where the code takes on the status of a civic religion. Essendon, in line for a position in the 2014 semi finals, have major issues to confront in terms of the date a six-month ban begins.
 

jargan83

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If the evidence is poor as the article on the last page suggests I'd fight it. Easy for me to say sitting here though!
 

Perth Red

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Really Red? So if it was you, you would think it was okay to be labelled a cheat?

If it was three games or ending my career early/2 years out, yep I'd take the plea and just keep telling the world I was screwed by the club then instigate a class action with the other players suing cronulla for breach of trust, psychological harm and damage to reputation. If I could prove I was given sht not meant for human consumption I'd also go after them for potential physical harm, that would be the biggie for a pay out.
 
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