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Organised crime and ElephantJuice in sport investigation part IV

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Smirrors

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Anyone caught taking peptides since Feb 2013 probably deserves 10 years with the amount of publicity this has had.

Hopefully this whole thing is at least a massive wake up call to all clubs in all codes that they cant have these renegade consultants and not control what is going on.

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I feel the Sandor Earl saga is a bit of a storm in a teacup. They should draw a line in the sand (not bury head in sand) and move on.

The guy used ElephantJuice under advice for recovery not for performance enhancing. There was a lot of grey area. All this he said, she said is literally going around in circles. Asking people to recap their thoughts from 1-2 years ago, well of course they will be on the defensive.

Unless there was systematic doping for performance enhancing, ASADA and the NRL should work together to move the game forward rather.
 

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I'm not sure about the inner workings of football clubs but I'm 90 per cent certain we had already moved Earl on to Canberra by the time the invoices came in. Maybe that played a part in the lack of interest.

Not just Earl, The whole coaching staff and Front office was gone by then.
 

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sounds like nothing http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...d-diet-20130927-2ujjn.html?rand=1380285093693

Manly check two players' raw food diet

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September 27, 2013 - 10:30PM

Adrian Proszenko
Chief Rugby League Reporter

Manly have begun a review of the raw food diet prescribed to two of their players by controversial nutrition company Nubodi Group.

David Williams and Tom Symonds are devotees of the regimen, which advocates consuming foods – including meat – in its rawest forms.

Human growth hormone readings Nubodi took of the Sydney Roosters squad were found on the phone of an organised crime figure.

Some of the readings showed elevated levels of human growth hormone. The Roosters sacked the firm, claiming the readings were done without their consent, then informed the NRL's integrity unit of the matter.

The owner of Nubodi, Sean Carolan, said on Tuesday that Williams and Symonds had joined the Roosters squad in embracing the paleo detox diet.

Manly's head of strength and conditioning, Don Singe, confirmed the club had begun investigating the diets of Williams and Symonds on Friday, the day of their preliminary final against South Sydney at Allianz Stadium.

"I have spoken to our two players about it today," Singe said.

"There is definitely no external supplementation to the diet. With other professionals at the club, I am conducting a review into the diet. That will be a very thorough process which has now begun."

Williams has credited the diet, which requires eating meat, fish, fruits and even eggs totally raw, as the reason behind his improved form and fitness this year. The former NSW and Australian winger said a typical day consisted of three raw eggs and two bananas for breakfast, meat and raw vegetables throughout the day, as well as nuts and seeds.

Williams, 27, said the unconventional approach had kept him on the park.
 

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Weedler with his Dank scoop http://www.watoday.com.au/sport/ear...uice-despite-coming-clean-20130928-2ul38.html

Earl still hasn't told the whole truth about ElephantJuice despite 'coming clean'

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September 29, 2013

Danny Weidler
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At the core of Sandor Earl's desire to seek his own remedy to his troublesome shoulders was the firm belief the Panthers were not equipped and not interested in his recovery from injury.

That's what he was telling Stephen Dank. The line Earl offered was that because he was not paying anything, the club must have known what was going on. If you believe Earl's interview, he blindly followed Dank down a path that has resulted in a collapsed career.

That's the overriding message of his appearance on The Footy Show. But it warrants challenge. This columnist was always going to have doubts about the story that Earl told the world, so I wanted to hear Dank's thoughts on the interview as it was going to air.

I had my doubts because Earl had threatened legal action when I revealed he was going ''off reservation'' to use peptides. He had also made out in other interviews that he barely knew the controversial sports scientist.

Dank came to my house to watch Earl become the first player to admit using CJC-1295 and it was an interesting experience to say the least to watch him watch a player roll over on him.

The first thing Dank agreed with was that Earl was not a drug cheat. That was close to the first thing Earl said and for the majority of the interview Dank nodded and agreed. On occasion he said Earl made a fair point.

For the majority of the interview he said Earl was impressive. Dank felt his pain and felt some sorrow towards him. Dank missed sections of the interview because he was on his phone to his lawyers. He was texting a reporter through the chat but would poke his head up and focus.

Of interest to me was the line that Dank never lost his cool. ''But he did make some slip-ups,'' Dank said.

The major slip-up was his line that it was Dank who kept things quiet or had instructed Earl not to talk about it.

''I had that conversation with Sandor and remember it clearly,'' he said. ''I suggested we include the Penrith doctor in what we were doing. He said that they did not care about his rehabilitation and that he did not use these words but said that he had carte blanche - a licence to do what he wanted to get back on the field and he got back two months ahead of time.''

The other issue Earl raised was that Dank had used CJC-1295 at every other club he had been at. Earl may need to back that up because Dank said there was no way he had used it at Manly. He had used Actovegin - calf's blood - but peptides were not then in his bag of tricks.

As for payment, Earl was telling the truth. He was not paying for the CJC-1295.

Dank was supplying the peptides at his own expense. As you get to know Dank, that is a pattern he follows. He wasn't paid at the Sharks.

''I did feel for Sandor during the interview,'' he said. ''There was nothing sinister about what we were doing and I think in the end, when I get my day in court, he won't have a worry.''
 

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...his-dark-secret-from-club-20130928-2ul4n.html

Earl kept his dark secret from club

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September 29, 2013

Phil Gould
League Columnist

Hands up all those who feel sorry for Sandor Earl? My, there are a lot of you. OK, hands down and take a seat. I have a story to tell.

In late May 2011, I joined Panthers as rugby league general manager.

Within my first couple of months on the job, I bumped into Sandor Earl in the club gymnasium.

At this time, Sandor was struggling with his football. I asked him why he thought he wasn't playing so well. He told me his shoulders required reconstructive surgery and the only reason he was persevering with playing was to try and impress the club to secure a new contract.

I'd seen this scenario many times before. I told Sandor he was wasting his time playing with injuries. I advised him to have the shoulder surgeries done immediately so he could be ready for the 2012 season. I said I'd give him a contract for season 2012 so he had money to live on. Once he was fit and well, I believed he could prove himself as an NRL player and earn a better contract with the Panthers or another NRL club.

Sandor was excited at the opportunity. In the following weeks we organised the new contract and arranged for a specialist surgeon to repair his shoulders. Having two shoulder reconstructions is massive. Sandor required months of intensive physiotherapy and rehabilitation, but we were confident he'd be ready for trials at the start of 2012.

Following the first shoulder surgery, Sandor asked me for permission to see a physiotherapist by the name of Elizabeth Steet. At this time, the Panthers were very much under-resourced. We only had one part-time physiotherapist and he was totally overworked. Financial constraints meant there was little likelihood I could improve that situation in the short term.

I'd known Elizabeth for many years. I worked with her in both my tenures as NSW State of Origin coach, at the Roosters when I was head coach and later as coaching director. Elizabeth is regarded as one of the leading sports-injury physiotherapists in Australia. Her surgery at Kensington was also much closer to where Sandor was living, which saved him significant time and travel costs.

I agreed to Sandor being treated by Elizabeth. Sandor then told me his medical cover had expired and he couldn't afford to pay for the treatment. I phoned Elizabeth to ask if she was prepared to treat Sandor. I told her to send the accounts to Panthers. She immediately agreed to assist with Sandor's injury rehabilitation.

Over the coming months I'd regularly check with Sandor and Elizabeth on his progress. Elizabeth always gave Sandor glowing reports regarding his diligence and work ethic. She predicted he was well on track to return to the playing field in February.

In February 2012 Sandor was cleared by his specialist to play in the first trial of the year. His medical clearance came not a day sooner than expected, and not a day later than Elizabeth predicted. When Sandor scored the first try of the match, I sent a text message to Elizabeth saying her star patient had just scored the opening try of the new season. To say she was excited would be an understatement.

Now, from the time of the first shoulder surgery back around the time of June/July 2011, right through to playing in the first trial in February, not once in all this time did Sandor ever mention to Elizabeth or myself that he was receiving alternative treatment of any sort from a Mr Stephen Dank or Dr Ijaz Khan. He never once mentioned he was on a course of injections. This despite the large number of physiotherapy sessions Sandor had with Elizabeth, and despite the countless number of times I asked Sandor how his rehabilitation was progressing. Not once did he ask if we knew anything about treatments called peptides. Not that I would've been able to answer him on peptides because I had never heard of the bloody things; but I'm sure the physiotherapist could've answered any queries. Not once did he come to me or anyone else at our club and say there would be some extra bills coming in for treatment from this Dr Khan. Not once. Not bloody once!

I'd really still like to know who paid for the peptide/ElephantJuice Sandor claims he received from Dank. The overdue accounts from Khan that were eventually paid by the accounts department at Panthers Group some months later were not for peptides. They were merely bills for consultations and $25 injections, which would not have raised any suspicion with accounts people at the time. A course of peptides, as we now understand, runs into the many thousands of dollars. Who paid for the ElephantJuice Sandor says he had injected by Khan?

In Sandor's interview on Channel 9 during the week, he claimed Dank asked Sandor to keep their "off-base" treatments to themselves and to not tell others at the club "because the doctor wouldn't understand". He admits the first time he was injected with peptides at the Cabramatta clinic he felt sick in the stomach and had to rest for five minutes before he could stand up. Did this not give him some clue that the treatment might not be right for him? Despite this abnormal reaction, Sandor says he returned for many more injections over the coming weeks.

Not once did Sandor mention these injections to Elizabeth, me or anyone else at Panthers. Not once. Yet Sandor claimed during his interview during the week that he assumed Penrith must've known about his off-site treatments. He doesn't explain how Penrith should know, or why he thought they should know.

If it's true what Sandor alleges, that he and Dank agreed to keep this treatment a secret from club staff and that they agreed to conduct this treatment "off base" so as to avoid detection, how the hell would anyone at Panthers know he was receiving this treatment? If he was so convinced the treatment was legal and supposedly expediting his recovery, why did he not once share this great news with his physiotherapist? Some months later Sandor approached me with news he had a good offer to play with the Raiders. At the time, he was in our reserve grade team. The new offer is a great opportunity to play NRL football with another club. I agree to release Sandor from his contract.

At this point I'm thinking this is a real good news story. Everything I'd advised Sandor to do the previous year in that conversation in the gym had worked our just great. He had his surgeries, we got him the best of physiotherapy treatment, he worked hard, his shoulders were healed, he'd played well enough to impress another club, and now he had himself a new NRL contract with a great club like the Raiders. I must admit I felt pretty special about the whole thing.

Fast forward to 2013 and the ASADA dramas break. Penrith are one of six NRL clubs named in a special report regarding performance-enhancing ElephantJuice. I'm informed by ASADA officials that the Panthers are a low priority in this investigation and the mention of the club in this report relates to a period in early 2011 when Dank visited the club and possibly developed a relationship with a player who may or may not still be at the club.

At this point in time, I had no idea this Dank had ever visited the Panthers. We began our internal investigations and learned Dank was introduced to the club by members of the former coaching and conditioning staff sometime in late 2010, perhaps early 2011. I've never met Dank and never saw him at Panthers. I'm told he visited the club on several occasions.

His visits were never scheduled. Those who were at Panthers at that time describe that he just "popped in" occasionally. We can find no record of any commercial dealing or transactions with Dank. He was never an employee of the Panthers. He was never paid as a consultant.

If he was supposedly offering support in the area of injury rehabilitation, why is it that Sandor was the only player who availed himself of Dank's services? If Dank and Khan were performing such miracles in the treatment of Sandor's injuries, why weren't they on the phone to Panthers management espousing the virtues of their radical treatments, looking for more clients?

Soon rumours started to circulate about Sandor's participation in Dank's treatment processes. I rang Elizabeth to ask her if, with the benefit of hindsight, she had any suspicions about Sandor's recovery as his physiotherapist. Elizabeth emphasised Sandor's recovery from the original double-shoulder surgery was completely normal and within her expectations. She maintains he did not get back to playing one day sooner than anticipated.

She was nearly in tears as she described how hard he'd worked on his injuries in her surgery and if people could've seen how dedicated he was to his rehabilitation process, they wouldn't be carrying on with these ridiculous rumours. She went on to say she had discussed the rumours with Sandor, but he had declared he was innocent of all suspicion.

Some weeks later Sandor confessed to ASADA officials he was part of an illegal treatment program under the care of Dank. To say that Elizabeth was completely shattered by the admission would be a gross understatement. Even allowing for the lies and mistrust, Elizabeth's first concern was still for the welfare of Sandor and how he would cope emotionally with his ordeal. Elizabeth is a very loyal and dedicated individual. She deserved better.

To this day, I've not received a call from Sandor since he walked out of Panthers HQ to drive to Canberra. His allegations against Dank were there for all to hear during his interview during the week. He has expressed significant hurt that he felt betrayed by Dank, who he says assured him the treatments were legal and would not get him in trouble. These allegations are now a matter for them to sort out for themselves. Like I said, I don't know Dank and at the moment the only evidence we have regarding his role in all this comes from Sandor. But what I will say is if Earl feels somewhat betrayed and aggrieved at having been misled by Dank, then perhaps he will have some small understanding of the betrayal and damage we are feeling at the Panthers as a result of his stupidity and secrecy.

The club gave Sandor the opportunity to repair his injured shoulders. The club availed him of the best possible physiotherapy treatment to get himself back to playing at full strength. The club gave him a new contract and an opportunity to rebuild his playing career. The club then gladly granted him an unconditional release from that contract to take up a better opportunity with another club when the better offer came along. All that the club expected in return was Sandor's professionalism and honesty.

Now, hands up all those who feel sorry for Sandor.

Phil Gould is executive general manager of Penrith Panthers.
 

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Soon rumours started to circulate about Sandor's participation in Dank's treatment processes. I rang Elizabeth to ask her if, with the benefit of hindsight, she had any suspicions about Sandor's recovery as his physiotherapist. Elizabeth emphasised Sandor's recovery from the original double-shoulder surgery was completely normal and within her expectations. She maintains he did not get back to playing one day sooner than anticipated.



Looks like peptides aren't performance enhancing at all.
 

Cammo

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Thats the gist of the Earl interview. A lot of people seemed to lap it up.

I actually think it's more about him being a scapegoat for many players that have taken dodgy substances during their careers. At least he has admitted it (even if it was after he got caught)

I personally believe most athletes have taken some form of performance enhancing substance that could be considered banned by WADA
 

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Weilders spin is amazing.

He turns a dodgy fact into "positive"

Lack of paper trail and payment from users, that's because he is a good guy????

WTF?? That's a red flag every day of the week? How can Fairfax keep running this?
 

Stagger Lee

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I was feeling a bit (but not a lot) of sympathy for Sandor but after reading the Phil Gould article I feel pretty angry about Sandor and his actions. There was tremendous pressure on the Panthers club when Gould arrived to cut costs but they treated Sandor with dignity and respect - respect which he failed to return and then cornered by ASADA he has dumped on the club by inferring they had left him to fend for himself and lack of care.

Some one is lying and I don't think it is anyone in the Panthers organisation.
 

jason taylor

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Weilders spin is amazing.

He turns a dodgy fact into "positive"

Lack of paper trail and payment from users, that's because he is a good guy????

WTF?? That's a red flag every day of the week? How can Fairfax keep running this?

Dank is such a hero, helping ailing sport stars out of his own back pocket.

He should be the next Australian of the Year.
 

Puntastic

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Thats the gist of the Earl interview. A lot of people seemed to lap it up.

This x 34545

Also: "Not once did Sandor mention these injections to Elizabeth, me or anyone else at Panthers. Not once. Yet Sandor claimed during his interview during the week that he assumed Penrith must've known about his off-site treatments. He doesn't explain how Penrith should know, or why he thought they should know."

This ^ is the only way Sandor actually explicitly attempts to implicate the club and it doesn't hold.

What gets me is that ASADA did a sweep of our accounts and found nothing to warrant suspicion early in the year. It would be nice to hear ASADA at least say something re: the Panther's and their "priority" levels now at least.

Still, I was of the opinion that Penrith unwittingly paid for peptides without knowing what they were paying thousands for, the very least of which is negligence. But from reading Gould's article, he suggests that the peptides in question weren't even funded by Penrith at all, just injections - which doesn't give rise to suspicion at all. Injections could be part of any recovery course and that alone would unlikely give rise to any cause for questioning.

But that leaves thousands of dollars up in the air here. If Weidler is to be believed (hint: he rarely is) then Dank pays for the peptides himself. And no contract with dank appears to have existed at Penrith (once again, the ASADA sweep would have picked up payments to dank) so Dank hasn't been paid a salary. So how does Dank get money to pay for peptides? Are his fees so high he can afford to pay for the peptides himself? Was Earl a marketing ploy gone wrong (i.e. taking a financial risk showing off via Earl how fast players can recover in order to attract business down the track?).

Somehow, that article raises more questions than it answers and I still have a fear that Penrith have unwittingly paid for Peptides somehow. Maybe that's just the pessimist in me speaking. I sincerely hope someone within the club hasn't compromised Gould's plans for the club by paying for these peptides without his knowledge, because Gould himself has no knowledge of anything shady.
 
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