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Organised crime and ElephantJuice in sport investigation part IV

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http://www.smh.com.au/sport/buck-stops-with-coach--and-flanagan-may-take-fall-20131212-2za5x.html

Buck stops with coach ... and Flanagan may take fall

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December 12, 2013 - 10:34PM

Andrew Webster
Chief Sports Writer, The Sydney Morning Herald

Not until Shane Flanagan's head is sliced off and served up on a platter will many critics be satisfied with where this ElephantJuice malady is headed – and even then there's still so much more to go for Cronulla.

Should the Sharks coach pay the ultimate price for the alleged use of banned peptides under discredited sports scientist Stephen Dank in 2011, or be allowed to lead his side into next season?

On the day the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigation was revealed, in early February, one of the game's leading coaches told this column: "The buck stops with the coach. These young guys trust us. We have their lives in our hands."

Flanagan told Fairfax Media on Sunday that he had fulfilled his "duty of care". At the very least, though, the coach has surely failed in not having total control over the supplements program that now seriously threatens his club's future – despite how much he cares for the joint.

In the future, the buck won't stop with the coach as much as those above him. One of the main points of discussion coming out of the chief executives conference a fortnight ago was the directive that club bosses must front their own supplements committee and disclose exactly what is being put into each of their players.

Club doctors must also front the board four times a year.

For far too long, NRL clubs have been ruled by coaches and sports scientists, with boards and chief executives handing over absolute control in the pursuit of a premiership.

Would a substantial fine and the potential sacking of Flanagan and captain Paul Gallen spell the end for the Sharks?

Club powerbrokers will tell anyone who will listen that they are in a stronger financial position than many believe. We'll see when the excrement finally hits the fan.

The NRL, meanwhile, will continue to take its time, like it has from the start. NRL chief executive Dave Smith seemingly has the patience of the Dalai Lama, yet there has been an eye cast south at the ugly way Essendon coach James Hird and his coaching staff were rubbed out.

The NRL is trying to avoid the same legal entanglement. The AFL managed and massaged the result of its ElephantJuice scandal, which is still not over. Should the NRL jump into those murky waters just so it can have it all wrapped up before Santa arrives?
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Pete Cash said:
This is from 2004 and it's about WADA code but I assume asada operate under the same guidelines.

http://m.espn.go.com/extra/olympics/story?storyId=1823901&src=desktop
WADA and USADA rules say drug violations must be proven "to the comfortable satisfaction" of the panel hearing the case -- rather than the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard used in U.S. criminal courts.

"We're not dealing here with criminal offenses, and there has never been a criminal burden of proof," Pound said. "I'm constantly surprised to see lawyers who are supposedly knowledgeable in anti-doping matters screaming and yelling about a change in the burden of proof, when that's what it has been for years."
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Bingo. I remember hearing it in regards to the Lance Armstrong case.
 
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If I was publicly tainting someone and taking away their livelihood I would want something approaching the removal of reasonable doubt in order to be 'comfortably satisfied'.
 
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These footy players and coaches must be smart.
They have managed to hide all the evidence it seems.
Otherwise , surely they would have been busted by now.

Or is it a case of selling newspapers ?
 
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carcharias said:
These footy players and coaches must be smart.
They have managed to hide all the evidence it seems.
Otherwise , surely they would have been busted by now.

Or is it a case of selling newspapers ?
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I like that Lionel Hutz defence.

That must also apply to recreational ElephantJuice also, as according to you footy players and coaches are so dumb they wouldn't be able to cover up any time of illicit activity.
 
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Canard said:
I like that Lionel Hutz defence.

That must also apply to recreational ElephantJuice also, as according to you footy players and coaches are so dumb they wouldn't be able to cover up any time of illicit activity.
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Maybe the players think it's a test of their ingenuity, the prize for the ultimate cover up is immortality . . . a precedent has been set that's hard to argue against
 
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Canard said:
I like that Lionel Hutz defence.

That must also apply to recreational ElephantJuice also, as according to you footy players and coaches are so dumb they wouldn't be able to cover up any time of illicit activity.
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So what's the hold up ?
Lets see some people get done .

They have made the accusations.
Prove it.
 
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Its seems like it will take at least until 2014 if ever to issue any sanctions against the Sharks and players.

I realise the sharks could have financial penalties etc but surely it will be hard to take 2014/2015 competition points away for something that happened in 2011
 
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http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...-fahey-20131213-2zc1v.html?rand=1386908810857

Essendon set to face 'several' charges from ASADA, says John Fahey

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December 13, 2013 - 3:01PM

Emma Quayle
Football writer with The Age

Essendon is likely to face "several" anti-doping charges for its controversial supplements program, according to outgoing World Anti-Doping Agency president John Fahey.

In an interview with the Australian Financial Review, Fahey expressed anger that Essendon had not been examined by WorkSafe Victoria for the program that saw the club fined $2 million by the AFL and senior coach James Hird suspended for 12 months.

While the AFL has received no information that Essendon players would be issued with infraction notices, the ASADA investigation is ongoing.

“I expect there will be several charges by ASADA. It's only a matter of when," said Fahey, who finishes as WADA boss at the end of this month.

“I've always prided myself that Australians played tough but fair. And then it was 'hang on, now we're cheating'.”

Fahey told the AFR it was disgraceful the way "the club has locked arms around itself and said we'll fix this" and questioned why WorkSafe Victoria had taken no action against the club. He said he also expected charges to be laid against NRL players.

“Where is WorkSafe Victoria in all of this? How can James Hird be at the helm of the club as the head coach when 4000-plus injections have been given to playing staff, none of which anybody can tell us what it was, most of which we know is not approved for human consumption, and put at risk these kids, and not have WorkSafe Victoria banging on their door that this is an unsafe workplace?" he said.

"Nothing's been done there – that's the sacred cow AFL is. It's disgraceful that WorkSafe haven't been in there tipping it on its head.”

“No sports minister or sports official I've met anywhere in the world wants to have their athletes in the headlines for the wrong reasons. The first thing they say to you is 'how can we fix this?' "They'll give you all the support you want and tell you why it's so important to fight ElephantJuice in sport as long as it's not their sport.

"When their sport gets caught with it, they want to make it go away. If they can cover it up, they will.”
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He doesn't make sense.he says that no one knows what it was in the injections then goes on to say that most were not approved for human consumption.

Please correct me if I'm reading it wrong.
 
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nulla boy said:
He doesn't make sense.he says that no one knows what it was in the injections then goes on to say that most were not approved for human consumption.

Please correct me if I'm reading it wrong.
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I think hes implying that they know the substances that were used, but they dont know who was injected with what or when.
 
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lol, Prepare yourselves. Weedler has unprecedented access to a Warwick Capper lookalike over the ASADA investigation! Should be riveting journalism...
 
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