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Organised crime and ElephantJuice in sport investigation part IV

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carcharias

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If Flanagan takes it to the supreme court like he is threatening to do this will be in the headlines all year.

If Flanagan drags the game through the mud for months and months and loses his sentence should be extended. He got off lightly IMO.

And we haven't even gotten to when or if players start copping bans.
So what if he does take it to court?

It is no skin off the bunnies nose.

I think I recall having to watch the bunnies go through a pretty extensive court case.

If I was him I'd just cop it and come back in 9 months.
Then again if I was him and thought I'd done nothing wrong Id be pissed off.
 
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georgesnmith

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If Flanagan takes it to the supreme court like he is threatening to do this will be in the headlines all year.

If Flanagan drags the game through the mud for months and months and loses his sentence should be extended. He got off lightly IMO.

And we haven't even gotten to when or if players start copping bans.

agreed

if he takes it to court the ARLC should stick with their proposal of not allowing cronulla into the semi finals.
 

Jubileeboy

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So what if he does take it to court?

It is no skin off the bunnies nose.

I think I recall having to watch the bunnies go through a pretty extensive court case.

If I was him I'd just cop it and come back in 9 months.
Then again if I was him and thought I'd done nothing wrong Id be pissed off.

In all seriousness Carch, no insults here, do you think there is more to it than we are hearing?
Do you think Flano said to the club, along the lines of... ' If I go down, I'm taking you and you and you with me'?
I know there's strong support from many supporters and players in keeping him but surely it would make better business sense to gag him for the next 9 months and not support any further legal action? Tough call but I am still sceptical why the club would continue to support him through higher courts and further jeopardise the relationship with the governing body (NRL). The NRL must also have completed due diligence before their decisions?
 

Dragons01

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Just saw an interview with Damien Keogh and he stated that he fully expected Flanagan to be back as coach in2015.

He did also say that at this stage the club would not be providing anymore financial support to Flanagan to help him fight the case.
 

thorson1987

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Brent Read on MMM tonight claimed that the Sharks are going to accept the penalties handed to them.
 
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El Diablo

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http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/as...nullas-2011-team/story-fndv2ypb-1226851858469

ASADA’s investigation has been narrowed down to four members of Cronulla’s 2011 team

9 hours ago March 12, 2014 12:00AM

THE ASADA investigation into banned drug use at Cronulla has been narrowed down to four members of the 2011 team, who are set to be issued with show cause notices by the end of this month.

Well-placed sources have confirmed the first wave of action against Sharks players is imminent – more than a year after Cronulla was identified as the club at the centre of ASADA’s probe into the NRL. It is not known whether show cause notices are being prepared for any of the dozens of players from rival clubs who were interviewed last year.

ASADA interviewed around 20 players who were part of Cronulla’s 2011 squad, which an internal investigation found was treated with peptide injections, creams and tablets over an 11-week period. ASADA also possessed evidence suggesting selected Sharks players remained in private contact with the two men who allegedly engineered and executed the program – sports scientist Stephen Dank and supplement salesman Darren Hibbert. Both Dank and Hibbert have denied giving players banned substances.

It is not known whether action against Cronulla players will be limited to the quartet. From the NRL’s perspective at least, there has been a long-held sense of compassion for Sharks players whose lone connection to the probe may have come from obeying the direction of their coaching staff.

ASADA cannot make such distinctions. If the anti-doping watchdog believes there is enough evidence of banned drug use against any player – no matter what the circumstances – it will order the NRL to issue an infraction notice.

However, ASADA must first issue a show cause notice directly to any player it intends to charge. The show cause notice is a preliminary procedural step, which gives recipients have the opportunity to argue why they should not be placed on ASADA’s register of findings and charged with a doping offence.

Should an athlete decide to challenge ASADA’s process, their case will be heard in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT). Unsuccessful challenges to the AAT can be appealed to the Federal Court. Both the AAT and Federal Court generally suppress the names of athletes who challenge show cause notices, although the proceedings themselves can be made public. Athletes are generally permitted to continue competing while their challenges are being heard.

Suspensions would not take effect until the NRL issued an infraction notice, which occurs when the player either accepts the show cause notice or exhausts their appeal avenues to the AAT and Federal Court.

Two weeks ago, ASADA boss Aurora Andruska indicated closure to the 13-month investigation was imminent, telling a Senate Estimates Committee that the evidence gathering phase was over.

Andruska revealed briefs of evidence were being prepared in relation to each player interviewed. Show cause notices will only be generated if the briefs contain enough evidence to support a charge, with former Federal Court judge Garry Downes engaged to make the final call on each individual.

The Daily Telegraph has been told that ASADA now believes there’s sufficient evidence to issue notices to four members of Cronulla’s 2011 squad. Recent reports have suggested up to 12 members of Essendon’s 2012 list are also in the firing line.

Solicitor Richard Redman – who represents nine Sharks players who were interviewed last year – declined to comment when contacted last night. Sources close to the Sharks claim the players have heard nothing from ASADA since October last year.

NRL boss Dave Smith also declined to comment, stating the step of issuing show cause notices was a decision for ASADA.
 

georgesnmith

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4 players? that better not be what this whole drama was about

and if the article is accurate essendon has allegedly 3 times as many involved

why did the media focus on cronulla not essendon then?
 
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4 players? that better not be what this whole drama was about

and if the article is accurate essendon has allegedly 3 times as many involved

why did the media focus on cronulla not essendon then?

You mean Sydney media don't you? The Melbourne media was all over the Bombers and Hird.

It's looking more and more that only those Cronulla players that sought help from The Dank outside of the club supplement program will be caught up in all this.

f**k those players off for 2 years, and let the rest get back to playing footy I say.
 

georgesnmith

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You mean Sydney media don't you? The Melbourne media was all over the Bombers and Hird.

It's looking more and more that only those Cronulla players that sought help from The Dank outside of the club supplement program will be caught up in all this.

f**k those players off for 2 years, and let the rest get back to playing footy I say.

they went soft on essendon.

i saw a lot of articles trying to explain away what happened.

there was even an article sympathising with the plight of the captain, watson, the guy that won that browlowe

didnt see any sympathetic artcles going gallen's way

josh massoud was having a go at him after the Dally Ms.
 

ceagle

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I know we can't speculate on here but it would be interesting to see which Cronulla players through out 2011 suffered from injuries.
 

Card Shark

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I know we can't speculate on here but it would be interesting to see which Manly players through out 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 & 2010 suffered from injuries. ;-)
 

ceagle

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I know we can't speculate on here but it would be interesting to see which Manly players through out 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 & 2010 suffered from injuries. ;-)
I would say the whole sqaud but I doubt it matters since Manly aren't the ones in shit with ASADA and aren't the ones related to the article in hand.
 
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