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organised crime and juice of the elephant pt V

Joker's Wild

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If Kennedy was the one who wanted out of his contract and approached the Broncos asking for release, the Broncos would have no obligation to pay him a termination fee unless there was one stipulated in his contract.

Had it been the other way around, that is that the Broncos decided to cut him, they would either have had to pay Kennedy out the full amount for the remaining year on his contract unless they negotiated a smaller fee for the payout that Kennedy agreed to.

Don't forget, before Kennedy decided to go to the Broncos, he had set up a snake breeding business which was based here in NSW which was doing decent business.

As such you can be sceptical all you want but on this point I think Kiwi is correct.

I know how it works in black and white, however things in life are seldom that way. He could have easily asked for a release and negotiated a payout and it could have been mutually beneficial for the Broncos to do so. He could have threatened to stay and play QldCup and waste their cap space if they didnt. Honestly who knows and its really all guess work unless you were there at the table with them at Red Hill. Dont forget that Darius Boyd also reportedly asked to leave but there was plenty of talk at the time that a settlement between he and the Knights was worked out.

Id be hugely surprised anyone would walk away from a $400K pay day for nothing. It doesnt add up despite what he may have said to the press in the article below

http://rugbyleagueweek.com.au/kennedy-leaving-roosters-mistake/

Joker Here is the article where Kennedy himself said he would have played for free this year and also quotes Kennedy as saying HE approached Bennett asking for a release and Bennett granted one.

Yep, all nice things to say to the press and Im glad you found it. Doesnt mean the club didnt work out a settlement with him though, regardless of what their obligations may appear to be

Its all my opinion of course, ive not made out for it to be anything else
 

Joker's Wild

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Exactly, pages of bullshit about whether or not someone is counted under the cap.

Surely the potential suspension of a player is a bigger deal than some minor pissing contest.

"Pissing contest"? lol hardly. Its an interesting discussion, you dont have to get involved and get all Timmah about it
 
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Dont forget that Darius Boyd also reportedly asked to leave but there was plenty of talk at the time that a settlement between he and the Knights was worked out.

Id be hugely surprised anyone would walk away from a $400K pay day for nothing. It doesnt add up despite what he may have said to the press in the article below

I didn't forget Darius Boyd at all. In fact it is about the only case I'm aware of where the player asking for a release from a contract to sign elsewhere was given a payout. His is the unusual case. As such using it to compare to Kennedy's is daft in my book.

Further, a player who on 400k for 2 years is told in year 2 he will spend it in Qld Cup may elect to play first grade elsewhere for a lower wage on the basis that they can earn that money back on their next contract. I mean how many clubs would look to recruit a player from another club who spent the previous year in Qld Cup and yet pay them $400k per year? No smart club would.
 

Canard

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"Pissing contest"? lol hardly. Its an interesting discussion, you dont have to get involved and get all Timmah about it

Maybe create another thread, suggested title "Discussions about Z grade players salary cap, that we cannot possibly know the details of"
 

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El Diablo

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it was funny how this was not a lead story on 9 because it was a 7 scoop

any other time it would have been the lead story of the day
 
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Following is on the Roosters website -

Club Statement: Martin Kennedy
Wed 18th March, 06:20PM

The Club has been advised by the NRL that Martin Kennedy has been issued a Notice of Alleged Anti-Doping Rule Violations under the NRL’s Leagues Anti-Doping Policy.

The Club has only today been made aware of the allegations against Kennedy and wishes to reinforce that the Club maintains the absolute highest standards in its own policies and governance.

The Roosters will not be making any further comment until Kennedy has had the opportunity to respond to the NRL.
 

Pierced Soul

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http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/ro...o-end-his-career/story-fndv38w0-1227268477901

Roosters Martin Kennedy facing two-year ban for doping offences that is likely to end his career
9 HOURS AGO MARCH 19, 2015 12:00AM

THE Roosters’ Martin Kennedy faces a two-year ban that is likely to end his career after being issued with an ASADA infraction notice for doping offences.
Kennedy has been stood down indefinitely from the Roosters and will face a tribunal convened by the NRL at a date to be decided on Thursday.

The prop was originally issued with the notice in late 2013, while he was a Brisbane Broncos player, but repeatedly lied when asked if he had been charged under the ASADA code.
Kennedy has denied the existence of the show cause notice or that he was the subject of an investigation.
The evidence against former Raiders star Sandor Earl emerged from the same Customs and police investigation that implicated Kennedy.



Kennedy did not make the Roosters aware of the charges when he returned to the club. Source: News Limited
Kennedy has spent 14 months fighting the legality of the notice in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal but late last week the appeal was rejected.
Australian Customs officials found incriminating phone messages on former junior teammate Ben Darcy’s phone, which revealed both Kennedy and former Raiders star Sandor Earl had been supplied with illicit substances. The phone was intercepted by Customs when Darcy returned from Thailand to Australia.
Earl is also fighting the legality of the charge in the AAT. He had also argued that phone messages were illegally intercepted but the AAT refuted the argument and declared the notice to be admissible.
Kennedy had not told Roosters coach Trent Robinson of the impending charges against him when he directly approached the Roosters mentor to return to the club late last year.


Robinson is said to be furious Kennedy did not inform him of the infraction notice but, given the notice had been reported in The Daily Telegraph months earlier, it remains a mystery why Robinson did not quiz Kennedy about it.
When The Daily Telegraph reported his pending charge in December 2013, Kennedy threatened to sue the newspaper in late 2014. He vehemently denied ever being charged or issued with a show cause notice.
Kennedy was interviewed by ASADA in October 2013 and refused to answer any questions during a lengthy interview. When he was shown the incriminating text messages, Kennedy engaged lawyers who delayed the NRL’s tribunal process with their appeal to the AAT.
The evidence against Kennedy is similar to the case against Sandor Earl who is still waiting to have his case heard in the NRL Tribunal. An automatic two year ban applies under the ASADA code adopted by the NRL if Kennedy is found guilty.
 

Canard

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The Roosters can't seriously claim to have not known or even heard about this with respect to Kennedy.

They are either the most naive run organisation in the world or deliberately being vague.
 

Pierced Soul

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The Roosters can't seriously claim to have not known or even heard about this with respect to Kennedy.

They are either the most naive run organisation in the world or deliberately being vague.

i daresay the latter. it was in the media and mentioned as a possible issue when he got to the broncos. admittedly the chooks may have thought after not hearing anything further for a over a year that it was just innuendo and nothing more to it.

if it had come out last eyar he could have been stood down immediately and svaed the broncs a season of paying a plodder in the qld cup
 

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Canard

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What does attempted use mean?

You either use it or you don't I thought .
Sounds pretty thin

I think there is some catch all that says if there is evidence of you attempting to source them you can get charged.

There is even one about if the stuff is found at an official training facility or clubhouse (or something like that).

It was brought in to get people that would not test positive but were clearly using stuff.
 

carcharias

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That is shit.

They should just test every player after every game they play.
Store the result for 10 years or whatever just in case they are masking

If you get caught once your career is finished you cop a massive fine
Bring in some actual law that stops people doing it .
 

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