organised crime and juice of the elephant pt V

[Miller was a legend]

The death rider is in full force today

 

[Mr Spock!]

What's ludicrous? That a sportsman gets a mandatory 2 years for whereabouts issues regardless of excuse, or that there is a deal struck when players have been subjected to 18 months of public mudraking on the basis of a pizzweak, unprovable case?

Just because the profile of the nrl miraculously resulted in a semi sensible outcome from a power mad, previously unaccountable entity don't get the shits at the nrl.

Pardon?

This is the same organisation that kicks out Olympians fr taking the wrong medication.

We don't know what the NRL were doing behind the scenes with ASADA.

Did the Sharks take banned performance enhancing supplements or not?

If so, the book should be thrown at them or else just ignore it and let everyone do it.

 

[Maximus]

these players were administered with peptides that weren't on the banned list in 2011

Birdee_Num_Num meet s0

Any pharmacological substance which is not addressed by any of the subsequent sections of the List and with no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use (e.g drugs under pre-clinical or clinical development or discontinued, designer drugs, substances approved only for veterinary use) is prohibited.

 

[Mr Spock!]

What do you mean.... a suspended sentence from a court of law?

This is just sport and the Sharks players haven't got any kind of custodial sentence, suspended or not. There is no loss of freedom, no need to report to police, no ankle bracelet. They haven't been charged with breaking any laws. The vast majority of society don't give a toss about them or the game or what they took or who gave it to them. They've just been suspended from work for a few weeks because they have broken the rules. There is no need to drag society into the strange workings of the Sharks footy team.

Fact is the players have just done what most crims do when they get caught, not that they are crims. They got caught and either shifted the blame or claimed stupidity in the hope it would get them a smaller punishment. It worked and many people think that's great. I think it has the potential to ruin pro sport since every athlete in the world now has a precedent to avoid any real punishment. But it's only sport so it doesn't really matter.

Fact is if they were Olympians they'd be coming to the end of a two year ban at least.

Wake up.

The problem is with those giving and taking the supplements not ASADA.

The fact that ASADA hasn't given those bans means there's been political manouvering behind the scenes.

The deals are a disgrace and serve as a warning to no one. In fact they show if you do drugs there'll be clowns to support you against the Nazi ASADA regime.

 

[Feej]

So, how about all that "match fixing", huh?

 

[Eion]

Fact is if they were Olympians they'd be coming to the end of a two year ban at least.

Wake up.

The problem is with those giving and taking the supplements not ASADA.

The fact that ASADA hasn't given those bans means there's been political manouvering behind the scenes.

The deals are a disgrace and serve as a warning to no one. In fact they show if you do drugs there'll be clowns to support you against the Nazi ASADA regime.

100 percent wrong. I prefer the innocent until proven guilty model. The fact that Asada hasn't given bans is because they don't have the required evidence. But rather than not lay charges in those circumstances, they concoct a dodgy deal to save face. So we agree the deals are a disgrace.

 

[Parra]

The fact that ASADA hasn't given those bans means there's been political manouvering behind the scenes.

You are implying that ASADA is corruptible. No-one else has drawn that conclusion. Inept - yes. Setup by the ALP in a political stunt - yes.

The ALP members Jason Clare and Kate Lundy should be fronting up to explain what has gone on. They called a press conference and made some big allegations. They wanted all the publicity. Well they should get some at this end of the debacle as well.

The ALP ministers also alleged match fixing and organised crime involvement.

 

[Mr Spock!]

100 percent wrong. I prefer the innocent until proven guilty model. The fact that Asada hasn't given bans is because they don't have the required evidence. But rather than not lay charges in those circumstances, they concoct a dodgy deal to save face. So we agree the deals are a disgrace.

You don't know that.

Are you saying no one was involved with banned substances?

 

[Eion]

You don't know that.

Are you saying no one was involved with banned substances?

What part of the innocent until proven guilty model do you struggle with?

 

[Noname36]

And you know this for fact? If there was no evidence I can assure you there would be no show causes issued. Players don't have to knowingly take something, it is very clear the onus is on them to know what they are taking. My sense is there was evidence but asada screwed up, or where after bigger fish, and the delay in charging the players means they are open to being contested so took the soft option of making the punishment so pss weak that players would accept it.

As for they didn't know, that is simply not an excuse. You keep asking would I ask what my Dr was giving me, if my entire career was reliant on it you bet I would.

Apart from the reports that the players were told "don't tell the Doc". If there is any truth to that, then the players certainly do have to wear at least some responsibility.

Come on. If ASADA had absolutely anything substantial there's no way they'd be offering these tiny 3 match bans.

From everything that's come to light it seems the only thing the players are guilty of is naively trusting the poor advice from coaching staff.

 

[Mr Spock!]

What part of the innocent until proven guilty model do you struggle with?

Are you saying no one was involved with banned substances?

 

[sretsoor]

ASADA is after bigger scalps i.e Danks. Until now had they some breadcrumbs to follow but no hard core proof of anything, no one can confirm what was used. Thus why Dank has ignored everything. The ASADA deal with the players and there admission of guilt creates the foundation to go after Dank. They will now move up, i.e coach, support staff until they Dank and any other big fish.

 

[Eion]

Are you saying no one was involved with banned substances?

Right.... So you don't understand the whole innocent until proven guilt thing. Ok

 

[Mr Spock!]

Come on. If ASADA had absolutely anything substantial there's no way they'd be offering these tiny 3 match bans.

From everything that's come to light it seems the only thing the players are guilty of is naively trusting the poor advice from coaching staff.

Which gets you a ban in professional sport even if you weren't aware of it

 

[Mr Spock!]

Right.... So you don't understand the whole innocent until proven guilt thing. Ok

And you don't think banned substances were taken and they give sentences out for nothing.

 

[Miller was a legend]

Spock: You're assuming that ASADA knows how events are predicted to unfold. The contrary, ASADA's very presence has altered the flow of history, beginning with the attack on the Sharks, culminating in the events of today, thereby creating an entire new chain of incidents that cannot be anticipated by either party.

 

[Noname36]

Which gets you a ban in professional sport even if you weren't aware of it

And they have been issued bans. I find the idea of hanging the players out to dry and wanting huge bans though for being naive ridiculous.

Like Bennett I think it was pointed out, a whole squad of players just doesn't go out and choose to aquire banned substances. Now and again you'll get one or maybe two, but never pretty much a whole squad. The decision to give the players the substances has been the responsibility of the coaching staff, and, rightly so the head coach has copped a significant ban.

 

[Miller was a legend]

Head coach and trainer haven't copped enough

 

[Noname36]

Head coach and trainer haven't copped enough

Agreed.

 

[Pig Champion]

The death rider is in full force today

Perth Red and Mr Spock ain't happy with 3 weeks so if they post enough on an internet forum somehow it may change.