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Kornstar

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he goes alright for a hot and cold player given he has 16 game winning drives in the 4th qtr or o/t since 2011 (according to yesterday's espn feed when i hoped he wouldn't get one because i took skins @ 4.75). i think dallas d has let him down in past years.

I don't mind him. I guess because of the defences he has had in the past it has put him in more of those situations than normal and you will have a higher chance of blowing those types of games. If you are always in shoot outs people only really remember the ones you f**k up, not win.
 

TheParraboy

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hey something that bugs me with this game and I find laughable

why does every kick at goal need to be from in front of the sticks?
 

strider

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hey something that bugs me with this game and I find laughable

why does every kick at goal need to be from in front of the sticks?

cos they are not very skillful mate

its like that mini-league for kiddies (do they still have that?)
- only one pass
- only one kid tries to run with it
- kick the goals from infront
 

Kornstar

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hey something that bugs me with this game and I find laughable

why does every kick at goal need to be from in front of the sticks?

That's where all the snaps are from as well.

Although you will see when they show the head on shots that it is not always exactly in front. I would imagine each kicker has an angle they are more comfortable with and some are way off centre.

Also, could you imagine how difficult it would be to do what they do from the sideline? Where would the defence stand? What angle would the team be on?
 
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hey something that bugs me with this game and I find laughable

why does every kick at goal need to be from in front of the sticks?

Flip the question around. Why do kicks in league and union need to be taken from the point of the penalty or where the try was scored? There's no overwhelming logic behind it. A penalty conceded 5 metres from touch slows down the attacking team just as much as one conceded in centre field, but the consequences for a cynical defensive team are quite different. Some of the best tries in rugby league are scored in the corner, yet on average the result in fewer points than an intercept scored under the posts. Why have a conversion at all? It's just what people perceive as normal....

PS: Technically, the kick itself doesn't have to be taken from 'in front'. The re-start of play occurs somewhere between the two hash marks though.
 

Daneel

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Flip the question around. Why do kicks in league and union need to be taken from the point of the penalty or where the try was scored? There's no overwhelming logic behind it. A penalty conceded 5 metres from touch slows down the attacking team just as much as one conceded in centre field, but the consequences for a cynical defensive team are quite different. Some of the best tries in rugby league are scored in the corner, yet on average the result in fewer points than an intercept scored under the posts. Why have a conversion at all? It's just what people perceive as normal....

PS: Technically, the kick itself doesn't have to be taken from 'in front'. The re-start of play occurs somewhere between the two hash marks though.

My 80 year old pop has been saying for years that all kicks should be in front as there is no logic in a great try out wide being worth less than a simple one in front. I agree with his principle but I would never want it changed someone having to kick a goal from the sideline to win or level a match in the final seconds is exciting
 

Kornstar

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Boy were you wrong :lol:

Shut up, that was my team that lost :lol:

I was concerned we'd lose becsause the Steelers were due a good game and we had won 5 straight, I just didn't think our defence would not even bother turning up!
 

Frederick

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Shut up, that was my team that lost :lol:

I was concerned we'd lose becsause the Steelers were due a good game and we had won 5 straight, I just didn't think our defence would not even bother turning up!

Was my team that won ;)

Neither defense turned up, but thankfully both offenses did. Our offensive line played the best they have for years, giving Big Ben all the time in the world to make big plays without getting sacked once!
 
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My 80 year old pop has been saying for years that all kicks should be in front as there is no logic in a great try out wide being worth less than a simple one in front. I agree with his principle but I would never want it changed someone having to kick a goal from the sideline to win or level a match in the final seconds is exciting

Agree. I would, however, consider some change to where penalty attempts are taken from (not necessarily making them all right in front).
 

emjaycee

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My 80 year old pop has been saying for years that all kicks should be in front as there is no logic in a great try out wide being worth less than a simple one in front. I agree with his principle but I would never want it changed someone having to kick a goal from the sideline to win or level a match in the final seconds is exciting

Not sure of the truth to this but I once read that originally when 'rugby' broke away from football the idea was still about kicking goals and in order to do this, the attacking team were given an attempt or 'try' at kicking a goal from the point where they crossed the defending ends field of play. Hence the terms "try" and "try line" developed.

As I said, not sure if the truth but makes an interesting thought about the origins of the term try.
 
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Not sure of the truth to this but I once read that originally when 'rugby' broke away from football the idea was still about kicking goals and in order to do this, the attacking team were given an attempt or 'try' at kicking a goal from the point where they crossed the defending ends field of play. Hence the terms "try" and "try line" developed.

As I said, not sure if the truth but makes an interesting thought about the origins of the term try.

Yes, basically true. And in American football, the conversion is a 'point after attempt' or less commonly 'try'.

"Try
After a touchdown, the scoring team is allowed a try during one scrimmage down. The ball may be spotted anywhere between the inbounds lines, two or more yards from the goal line. The successful conversion counts one point by kick; two points for a successful conversion by touchdown; or one point for a safety.
The defensive team never can score on a try. As soon as defense gets possession or the kick is blocked or a touchdown is not scored, the try is over.
Any distance penalty for fouls committed by the defense that prevent the try from being attempted can be enforced on the succeeding try or succeeding kickoff. Any foul committed on a successful try will result in a distance penalty being assessed on the ensuing kickoff.
Only the fumbling player can recover and advance a fumble during a try."

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/try
 

strider

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The successful conversion counts one point by kick; two points for a successful conversion by touchdown; or one point for a safety.

what does this mean in terms of this? .... I tought a safety was when you got caught in your own ingoal
 

Daneel

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what does this mean in terms of this? .... I tought a safety was when you got caught in your own ingoal

It is and worth 2 points, a conversion safety or try as it's known hasn't occurred in the nfl since 1940. It occurs when the conversion attempt is blocked then fumbled back into the end zone by the defence and is worth 1 point
 

Daneel

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Not sure of the truth to this but I once read that originally when 'rugby' broke away from football the idea was still about kicking goals and in order to do this, the attacking team were given an attempt or 'try' at kicking a goal from the point where they crossed the defending ends field of play. Hence the terms "try" and "try line" developed.

As I said, not sure if the truth but makes an interesting thought about the origins of the term try.

It makes sense
 

hindy111

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I think if score off a bomb you shouldn't get a kick at goal....And if score from outside the 30 than the tries worth 5 points plus 2 for the kick.
 
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So, this week I have Broncos, Chiefs, Indi and 49ers to win, plus Seahawks/Seahawks.

$80 @ $4.44.

What do you guys think?
 

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