OT: Brad Murray

[84 Baby]

The prosecutor could certainly ask him in cross examination, yes (in fact, if he didn't he'd be pretty useless). Then if Murray doesn't answer it's up to the magistrate.

I don't think the prosecutor would ask for names. It's essentially admitting they were wrong. They'll more likely angle for suppression of any alleged conspirators' names (unless damning evidence comes up) and perjury. The prosecutor will still ask why he changed his story, but probably from the perjury angle rather than false statement. It'll be defence that would ask for names as it would be in favour of the accused, but the magistrate would definitely frown upon it because providing false statement to police is bullshit annoying to the entire legal process

 

[Craig Johnston]

sounds like a bloke desperate enough to lie through his teeth to save his arse

 

[spiderdan]

agree with others that something dodgey has most likely happened so murray changed his story.

i can't imagine the club said anything to murray other than tell the truth. i don't think anyone from the ceo to the tool that mowed the lawns last year would tell murray to make false statements, especially in something like this.

 

[84 Baby]

All they've done so far is repeat what Murray said but in pretty much the exact same words. I can't see anything wrong with what's been written so far. How would you expect them to report it?

Reread it as though it's the first you've ever heard of it. They reiterated which club he was referring to (because he never said it himself), why can't they reiterate what his original statement was or the fact it was used to convict Tandy?

 

[mickdo]

I don't think the prosecutor would ask for names. It's essentially admitting they were wrong. They'll more likely angle for suppression of any alleged conspirators' names (unless damning evidence comes up) and perjury. The prosecutor will still ask why he changed his story, but probably from the perjury angle rather than false statement. It'll be defence that would ask for names as it would be in favour of the accused, but the magistrate would definitely frown upon it because providing false statement to police is bullshit annoying to the entire legal process

Well the prosecutor will want to discredit the change of story and hope that the original statement may still be considered. If they think Murray is unlikely to 'shop' anyone specific at Parra then they might press that angle hoping he will clam up, so that the change of story doesn't look credible. Without his evidence their case is probably shot anyway so they may as well go for it.

 

[84 Baby]

Well the prosecutor will want to discredit the change of story and hope that the original statement may still be considered. If they think Murray is unlikely to 'shop' anyone specific at Parra then they might press that angle hoping he will clam up, so that the change of story doesn't look credible. Without his evidence their case is probably shot anyway so they may as well go for it.

True. There is one other factor that everyone else has stated though, it could well be witness tampering. Either way the courtroom is in for some boring legal work

 

[Eels Dude]

Reread it as though it's the first you've ever heard of it. They reiterated which club he was referring to (because he never said it himself), why can't they reiterate what his original statement was or the fact it was used to convict Tandy?

I'd say the mentioning of the club was more for the public's knowledge rather than being slanderous. And it's not like there's any doubt whatsoever that Parramatta are the club he was referring to.

 

[mickdo]

I'd say the mentioning of the club was more for the public's knowledge rather than being slanderous. And it's not like there's any doubt whatsoever that Parramatta are the club he was referring to.

The Roosters were his former club too, weren't they? ;-)

 

[Poupou Escobar]

This question is for the legal eagles out there:

can they ask Murray to reveal who from his former club put him under pressure to lie?

I don't think there is the implication that the club pressured him to lie.

There would definitely have been pressure (all professional athletes are under huge pressure) from the club, but that pressure would have been pressure to stay out of jail.

Lying would have been Murray's best idea for staying out of jail. The club were nothing but honest if they told him he'd be lucky to ever play rugby league again if he went to prison. Any kid who isn't already an established first grader can kiss their career goodbye if they spend considerable time away from the game. Doubly so if that time is spent in prison.

 

[Jodeci]

"I was put under immense pressure and duress by my ex-football club (Parramatta)," Murray told the court.
"I thought this was going to be the only way I could save my football career."

So Parra might have come to him and said "You need to work this out with your legal team ASAP so we can get the all clear and get you training with the NRL Squad cause we may need you at some point of the season, etc

So Murray does what he needs to do and that was to clear his name in the earlier court attendance with Ryan Tandy.

Just after Tandy was given a sentence, Parra cut ties with Murray believing he was liability.

So Parra cut him, 9 months later he is back in court and he has reversed his story saying he lied to save his career??

Did Parra put a gun to your head and say "U better lie son otherwise Kearney is never gonna pick you"??

Please!!!!!!

 

[BigErn]

He originally told the police that Ayoub told him that it was a fix. If he then placed bets (including a $200 bet of his own) wouldn't that implicate him and allow him to be charged with attempting to gain financial advantage by deception???
How would that have saved his NRL career?

Wouldn't his new defence be better at keeping him out of jail? If he says that he got given a tip and took it, couldn't he wipe his hands clean of it?

 

[Suitman]

IMO, I believe Murray has received very poor legal advice.
IMO, I also believe the old concrete boots threat has been made.
To stand up in court and state that your previous statements to police were lies throw's immense doubt on your personal character, particularly when those statements were used to convict another person.
IMO, Murray is gone.
I fear though, that the alledged major culprits in this case may just escape sentence.

 

[boxhead]

Where does it mention in that article that we are a club in crisis?

I think this is a very newsworthy story.

If you had any comprehension skills you would have realized I was referring to many articles, not this one.

 

[boxhead]

Massoud??? He's the only one posting positive spin articles about the board because he's mates with someone up in those high circles.

Yeah, and the wording of this article in regards to the insertion of the quote implies that we are seriously at fault here, when anyone with common sense can see this is just more slander from a former player.
And I do recall Massoud has written articles skewed negatively about the club in the past, like any journalist he will produce garbage as well on his day.

 

[The EELiminator]

He originally told the police that Ayoub told him that it was a fix. If he then placed bets (including a $200 bet of his own) wouldn't that implicate him and allow him to be charged with attempting to gain financial advantage by deception???
How would that have saved his NRL career?

Wouldn't his new defence be better at keeping him out of jail? If he says that he got given a tip and took it, couldn't he wipe his hands clean of it?

the problem is he has admitted lying to police so now he is guilty of giving a false statement
frying pan > fire

 

[bartman]

IMO, I believe Murray has received very poor legal advice.
IMO, I also believe the old concrete boots threat has been made.
To stand up in court and state that your previous statements to police were lies throw's immense doubt on your personal character, particularly when those statements were used to convict another person.
IMO, Murray is gone.
I fear though, that the alledged major culprits in this case may just escape sentence.

Agree, it's certainly not a good look for him, and makes the average person wonder what's been going on in the guy's head.

 

[Suitman]

Agree, it's certainly not a good look for him, and makes the average person wonder what's been going on in the guy's head.

....or behind the scenes.

Suity

 

[eels81236]

Boxy for the lemon cap. Closely followed by Murray.

 

[mickdo]

Wouldn't his new defence be better at keeping him out of jail? If he says that he got given a tip and took it, couldn't he wipe his hands clean of it?

He was probably told by prosecutors that he wouldn't be charged if he testified against the others, so in theory that original statement would have been better for keeping him out of jail. Not so good for keeping his kneecaps intact though.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Bit hard to play Bundy Red Cup without knee caps.

Not really any easier to do it from jail but.