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New Queensland LNP guy/presumptive premier speaks well... reminds me a bit of Turnbull.

Was impressed with the ALP deputy leader Cameron Dick on the ABC coverage too, and presume he'll step up to lead the opposition shortly.
 
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Where's Dutton up there - he should be lapping up these celebrations... or did the LNP keep him well away from the campaign? I don't think Dutton even got mentioned in the winner's speech, unless I missed it.
 
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Where's Dutton up there - he should be lapping up these celebrations... or did the LNP keep him well away from the campaign? I don't think Dutton even got mentioned in the winner's speech, unless I missed it.
The deep state simply plays chess with politicians.

Gillard gave us the NDIS, that was the last proper policy…and even that’s now privatised.
 

Gronk

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You are ignoring a few things:

1. ‘Fair Share’ Is a nebulous term and one that shouldn’t be determined by well to do folks who have all care and no responsibility.

2. Has anyone broken the law? Plenty of rich individuals know how to work the system when it comes to tax. Why aren’t they contributing their ‘fair share’.

3. Tax itself is an incomplete measure of an organisation’s contributions to the communities within which they operate.

I know it’s fashionable to shit on the mining sector, but with our obligations to decarbonise we are more reliant on them than ever. How do you think wind turbines or solar panels get developed?
I see. That kind of resembles lobbyist spin.

Fair share is based on a company in a different sector with a similar turnover and comparing the amount of tax they pay.

If we condone tax minimisation tactics by those miners who choose to fudge the books, what would happen if the the banks, the insurers and the retailers did the same ? Imagine the uproar if Woolies / Westfarmers paid no tax.

If the mining industry is so important to communities to provide jobs etc, and so much so that they should be treated differently, why is it that the same political party dismantled the motor vehicle manufacturing industry in VIC and SA ? The selective approach to industry sectors is seen as hypocrisy not just by me.

This is not about the fashionably targeting of an industry. This is an industry that has a free ride for way too long.

Yes Norway again. Norway makes the extractors of resources pay. Those companies remain very profitable and there is no shortage suitors.

The fact that Australia yields more money from charging kids HECS than they do the mining industry in damning. Norway BTW is so cashed up that they still have free university for their kids.

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The mining industry is the biggest whinger in the country

September 15, 2024 by Ebony Bennett in The Canberra Times

The mining industry is now surely the biggest whinger in the Australian economy.
This week it launched an all-out assault on the federal government at Minerals Week in Canberra, with chief executive of the mining industry’s chief lobby group the Minerals Council, Tania Constable, warning the government: “Undermine it at your peril.”

Relative to its size, the mining industry pays nowhere near enough tax in Australia and, perhaps unsurprisingly, they want to keep it that way. It’s obvious the mining industry is trying to cow the federal government into ruling out any policy changes before the election. It wants cuts to taxes and royalties, and IR laws that make it easier to cut wages and fire people. And it would prefer to remove any environmental restrictions preventing mining companies from polluting or opening new gas and coal mines wherever and whenever they want.

But more than that, the mining industry demands Australians all bow at its feet in gratitude. BHP wants praise for paying its taxes, insinuating the public hospital system would collapse without it, while mining billionaire Gina Rinehart asked: “Where is the red carpet for the BHPs and Rios?” As if mining companies aren’t some of the most powerful and profitable companies on the planet, let alone in this country.

Like a toxic boyfriend who wants thanks for doing the dishes (when you remind him), the mining industry demands Australians be grateful for the taxes and royalties they pay.

Australia is blessed with an abundance of resources, fossil fuels in particular. Other countries charge far more for their natural resources, while in Australia we subsidise their extraction. The reality is Australia gets nowhere near enough revenue from the fossil fuel industry and it’s time they paid their fair share. That’s what the mining industry’s assault on the government is trying to prevent.

The oil and gas industry has been described as “systemic non-payers of tax” by the Australian Taxation Office. Despite huge increases in gas production and profits, revenue from the petroleum resource rent tax (PRRT) has barely moved. No LNG projects have ever paid PRRT. In fact, the government collects more money from HECS than it does from the PRRT.

Consider that Australia is one of the biggest exporters of gas in the world, yet we charge no royalties on over half of the gas we export. None. Zero. Zip. Nothing. Australia Institute research shows in the last four years, Australians have given away gas that made $149 billion worth of LNG, for free. Around $111 billion worth of this royalty-free LNG was produced in Western Australia alone.

And how have Australians benefited from this export gas boom? They really haven’t. Domestic gas prices tripled from $3/GJ to around $10/GJ once the export terminals opened. Australia managed its gas resources so poorly, that there are now serious proposals to import gas into Australia, like Antarctica importing ice.

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton was only too happy to pledge fealty to the mining industry, promising “a Dutton Coalition government will be the best friend that the mining and resources sector in Australia will ever have”. But other Australian political leaders have chosen to put the interests of Australians above the profits of the mining industry.

In Dutton’s home state of Queensland, when Russia’s invasion of Ukraine sent commodity prices soaring in 2022, the state Labor government changed its royalty scheme so a greater portion of the windfall was paid to the community. This money, that would otherwise have gone to multinational shareholders, is mainly being spent on better public services for Queenslanders.

When Queensland introduced the changes, the mining industry issued dire warnings about “sovereign risk”, investment drying up and damage to the viability of the coal industry – it was complete rubbish. Investment in Queensland increased after the policy change.

In the face of threats from the Queensland Resources Council, Queensland Premier Steven Miles politely reminded the QRC: “At the end of the day, we own that coal and we sell that to them, and it cannot be dug up twice.
“And no matter how many ads the Queensland Resources Council runs attacking me, we will continue to stand by our policy.”

All our political leaders could learn a lesson from Steven Miles. The fact is Australians collectively own all the coal, gas, iron ore and mineral deposits across the country. Royalties are the price mining companies pay to mine and sell those resources. But Ms Constable described Queensland’s royalty changes as “a huge impost on the industry”. That’s like a bricklayer demanding all his bricks for free.

The mining industry has built up this myth over decades the Australian economy is dependent on mining, but it’s all spin, lies and bull. Mining is a small employer compared to basically any other industry. Like all other industries, it generates revenue for governments, but most of the benefits go to its foreign shareholders.

The mining industry wants you to think it alone pays for teachers and hospitals, when the reality is we all do. In Australia, BHP pays less tax than teachers do. Teachers pay more tax than BHP and they educate the entire Australian workforce, yet you don’t hear teachers bang on about being the backbone of the economy.

If Australia really did rely on the low-employing, tax-avoiding, high-polluting, and largely foreign-owned mining industry for its economic security, we would be in serious trouble.

Governments that bow to the demands of the mining industry will deliver a poorer Australia.

What’s in the best interest of the mining industry profits is not necessarily what’s in the best interest of Australia, or Australians, and we need political leaders that understand the difference.

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Gary Gutful

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I see. That kind of resembles lobbyist spin.
Just call me Gary “Lobbyist Spin” Gutful.


Fair share is based on a company in a different sector with a similar turnover and comparing the amount of tax they pay.
Fair enough. When I look at the comparisons I am reasonably comfortable that mining is paying its fair share.



If we condone tax minimisation tactics by those miners who choose to fudge the books, what would happen if the the banks, the insurers and the retailers did the same ?
Fairly naive to think that other sectors don’t employ people to look at ways of reducing their tax risk.


Imagine the uproar if Woolies / Westfarmers paid no tax.
Ummm….Its ‘WesFarmers’, they farm Wes’s, not West’s…Oh, and they also own mines.


If the mining industry is so important to communities to provide jobs etc, and so much so that they should be treated differently, why is it that the same political party dismantled the motor vehicle manufacturing industry in VIC and SA ? The selective approach to industry sectors is seen as hypocrisy not just by me.
That’s a fair point, but I don’t think Government should target any industry, including manufacturing.

Yes Norway again. Norway makes the extractors of resources pay. Those companies remain very profitable and there is no shortage suitors.
Norway has also invested heavily in infrastructure. If the Aus Government was to do the same then I think this comparison would be more relevant and I would probably have a very different view on this issue.

Right now, industry bears all the risk.

Take your point on all this stuff Gronk, believe me. Two areas where we might agree:

1. The mining lobby at times has been tone deaf. They could have spent more time talking about why their products and services are essential and less time whinging about taxes. They don’t do enough in my view to earn their ‘social licence’. For the most part they are excellent citizens on the ground in a highly regulated country like Aus.

2. The point about gas prices in the article you quoted is fair. We should have ensured that export gas projects consider domestic supply issues. That was a major f**k up. If hydrogen gets off the ground we can’t afford to make that mistake again.
 

Gary Gutful

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New Queensland LNP guy/presumptive premier speaks well... reminds me a bit of Turnbull.

Was impressed with the ALP deputy leader Cameron Dick on the ABC coverage too, and presume he'll step up to lead the opposition shortly.
Cameron Dick has an unfortunate name, but he is a very good politician. It looks like Miles is campaigning to stay on, but Dick would be an excellent Opposition Leader.

Crisafulli and Janetski have been very impressive in opposition, particularly when articulating their vision. I went to a number of events this year where both parties presented to Industry leaders in the region. LNP seemed far more energised than Labor.

Surprised at how they changed their approach during the election campaign and became much more cautious. Nearly resulted in them snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Will be interesting to see how they go as the party in charge.
 

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Cameron Dick has an unfortunate name, but he is a very good politician. It looks like Miles is campaigning to stay on, but Dick would be an excellent Opposition Leader.

Crisafulli and Janetski have been very impressive in opposition, particularly when articulating their vision. I went to a number of events this year where both parties presented to Industry leaders in the region. LNP seemed far more energised than Labor.

Surprised at how they changed their approach during the election campaign and became much more cautious. Nearly resulted in them snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Will be interesting to see how they go as the party in charge.
Their campaign was the smallest in living memory, they are lucky the majority of voters voted weeks ago or Miles might of hung on.
 

Gary Gutful

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No legislative council in QLD means you get the full wrath of the tories. They'll last 1 term before you realise how bad they are again.
Possibly, but Crisafulli lost his seat in 2015 after the failed Newman/Seeney experiment so I am sure he will be focused on not making the same mistake again.
 

King-Gutho94

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I still remember when this clown Miles smugly ripped up the NSW bill that QLD owed us for Hotel Quarantine in QLD with QLD residents as deputy premier.

On ya bike Steven and good riddance you clown


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