OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[The Silverdale Phantom]

It doesn’t matter which US, UK or Oz govt is in power. They will throw their support in for Israel no matter what atrocities they’re committing. It’s sad to see tbh.

A fella I know volunteered in a refugee centre in the West Bank. A month or so ago a squad of soldiers booted the door in and took over the place with the sole purpose of removing a Palestinian flag that was flying from the roof of the building.

There’s an old saying… oppression breeds resistance.

Send your mate my love and respect.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Are you trying to say that Israel has only made incursions across the border into Gaza and West Bank (Palestine) territories under Biden's watch? And not under Trump's in the previous four years... with implicit US support only from Biden and not Trump?

I don't think the facts are your friend here.

What I’m saying is trump hasn’t sent money and weapons to Israel to kill innocent people in Gaza or Lebanon.

I’m not going to accuse or condemn him for something he has not done.

And all this innuendo and inference stuff is extremist hysterical bullshit.

 

[TheRam]

I like linguists!


Trump doesn’t place the same restrictions on himself as Harris does to herself.

Trump is unbelievably radical and you can tell at times, when he was talking to Joe, he’s already coming up with his point before Joe finishes. He’s just “shock and awe” with information relevant to promote himself.

Whereas Harris appears more sensitive.

Plus I’ve heard Trump just flat out refuse to answer questions.

I don’t think Harris’s interviewer on Fox here was especially interested in her answers. He was out to harm her.

She knew that before coming on.

You do realise that this Guy hates Trump and has attacked him mercilessly over the years. It's just that Kamala is so pathetically bad that she fails in any sort of candid interview. I think it was CNN or was it 60 Minutes that they shot 40 mins with her and she did so badly that they cut it down to 18 mins so as they had something to air that wouldn't hurt her so much. She is a moron who didn't even get one vote to be the democratic presidential candidate.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

You do realise that this Guy hates Trump and has attacked him mercilessly over the years. It's just that Kamala is so pathetically bad that she fails in any sort of candid interview. I think it was CNN or was it 60 Minutes that they shot 40 mins with her and she did so badly that they cut it down to 18 mins so as they had something to air that wouldn't hurt her so much. She is a moron who didn't even get one vote to be the democratic presidential candidate.

I’m a centrist.

I don’t care who he attacks, it’s his analysis Im into.

 

[hindy111]

Kamala
Get the he'll out
Your fired

 

[the phantom menace]

What I’m saying is trump hasn’t sent money and weapons to Israel to kill innocent people in Gaza or Lebanon.

I’m not going to accuse or condemn him for something he has not done.

Hmm. Only because Israel's "war" against Hamas only started a year ago, and Trump hasn't been in power since being booted in the 2020 election.

And all this innuendo and inference stuff is extremist hysterical bullshit.

Trump gave military aid to Israel throughout his time in power. His 2020 budget maintained an agreed US$3.3billion "in Foreign Military Financing grant assistance to bolster Israel’s capacity to defend itself against threats in the region and maintain its qualitative military edge" despite spending cuts elsewhere. One link, and I'm sure there's more.

To somehow say Trump hasn't sent money to Israel - which has been used for weapons and to kill innocent people in Gaza or Lebanon - and is somehow different to the other side of US politics is... disingenuous.

 

[hindy111]

 

[the phantom menace]

Orange man must be getting desperate if he's resorting to his old reality tv catch phrases....

 

[hindy111]

Orange man must be getting desperate if he's resorting to his old reality tv catch phrases....

Did you see the LGBTQ+ friendly pub that kicked out a guy cause he wore a Trump hat?
Very judgemental.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Hmm. Only because Israel's "war" against Hamas only started a year ago, and Trump hasn't been in power since being booted in the 2020 election.

Trump gave military aid to Israel throughout his time in power. His 2020 budget maintained an agreed US$3.3billion "in Foreign Military Financing grant assistance to bolster Israel’s capacity to defend itself against threats in the region and maintain its qualitative military edge" despite spending cuts elsewhere. One link, and I'm sure there's more.

To somehow say Trump hasn't sent money to Israel - which has been used for weapons and to kill innocent people in Gaza or Lebanon - and is somehow different to the other side of US politics is... disingenuous.

No it’s not.

Israel didn’t start wiping out gaza until after the brutal f**ks from Hamas launched their attack on innocent kids at that rock concert.

And they fired those rockets and stuff and then invaded the strip.

One can’t argue the US supported the Gaza invasion before it actually happened.

Instead of firing rockets, trapping and killing and all these innocent people, if I was in charge of Israel, I would have tried to get the hostages released first and instructed Mossad and Shin Bet ( the best secret services in the world) to take the appropriate action.

That would involve neutralising the terrorists, preferably not torturing or killing them. But they can’t be out about carrying on.

But to argue that Trump is somehow to blame, that he somehow knew of the vicious and indescribable attack on peaceful Israeli kids by pathetic scum is laughable.

 

[hindy111]

The genocide of Palestinians in Gaza has been absolutely disgusting to watch. And watch is exactly what the world has done. Some have of course gone further and armed them.

Kamala amd Biden have blood on their hands.

 

[the phantom menace]

Did you see the LGBTQ+ friendly pub that kicked out a guy cause he wore a Trump hat?
Very judgemental.

No I didn't. But if I ran a (non-LGBTQ+) pub, I'd also kick out any guy wearing a Trump or MAGA hat too. Life's too short to have to put up with dumb pricks in your place of business!

 

[the phantom menace]

One can’t argue the US supported the Gaza invasion before it actually happened.

No, but one can point to the fact Trump gave exactly the same military aid to the same nation for the same ultimate broad purposes. To argue giving money and weapons to Israel started with Biden's administration's is real simpleton/Pou-level stuff.

But to argue that Trump is somehow to blame, that he somehow knew of the vicious and indescribable attack on peaceful Israeli kids by pathetic scum is laughable.

No-one's saying Trump's to blame. We're just refuting your assertion that Trump would have done anything differently, had the 2020 election not be lol "stolen" from him.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Kamala amd Biden have blood on their hands.

Well if they’d have threatened ( even behind closed doors) to be more assertive with Israel, maybe many tens of thousands of lives could have been saved.

Israel only has so many of those missiles for its iron dome protection.

And when they run out of defensive weapons, they have a strong mindset and could use their nukes.

 

[hindy111]

No I didn't. But if I ran a (non-LGBTQ+) pub, I'd also kick out any guy wearing a Trump or MAGA hat too. Life's too short to have to put up with dumb pricks in your place of business!

So if someone supports TRUMP they MUST be dumb and a PRICK yeah?
Very judgemental of you. I reckon many of his supporters are nice people.And a minority are dumb pricks/aggressive.
Of course the media doesn't get clicks showing normal people.
See I don't give a shit really who wins unlike some. But I see BIAS and am pointing it out.

 

[Twizzle]

People are voting for Trump and it is coming up on the official slip as Kamala, then they go to the official to complain and get it sorted and it takes 3 or 4 revotes to get the machines to register Trump on the slip. If people don't check their receipts, as many don't, then the fix is in.

is there any real evidence of this happening ?

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

No, but one can point to the fact Trump gave exactly the same military aid to the same nation for the same ultimate broad purposes. To argue giving money and weapons to Israel started with Biden's administration's is real simpleton/Pou-level stuff.

No-one's saying Trump's to blame. We're just refuting your assertion that Trump would have done anything differently, had the 2020 election not be lol "stolen" from him.

You have no factual evidence and are relying on speculation.

Those critical of Biden, we are relying on the irrefutable uncontested evidence.

You might find some comfort that not many people on our side of this debate accept Israel’s response and the extent of its retaliation.

I don’t think it will serve the purpose as intended. If anything, it’s only serving to produce tens of thousands of embittered enemies ready to rain even more terror upon it. It’s actions have been deemed illegal. It’s been described as a rogue state. It’s lost a lot of world standing.

And Biden has turned the other cheek.

 

[Suitman]

Worst two Presidential candidates ever.
It's funny watching you lot argue over them.

 

[the phantom menace]

So if someone supports TRUMP they MUST be dumb and a PRICK yeah?
Very judgemental of you.

Yep, and yep.

I reckon many of his supporters are nice people. And a minority are dumb pricks/aggressive.

How very judgmental of you! I'm sure some are nice... but I reckon all of them are dumb.

See I don't give a shit really who wins unlike some. But I see BIAS and am pointing it out.

I proudly wear my BIAS(es) on my sleeve(s).

 

[the phantom menace]

You have no factual evidence and are relying on speculation.

I provided evidence of Trump's military aid to Israel and its stated purpose while he was in office. Do you think he would have stopped providing funds until they stopped bombing Palestine or Lebanon? His own quotes posted earlier in this thread suggest otherwise.

You might find some comfort that not many people on our side of this debate accept Israel’s response and the extent of its retaliation.

I don’t think it will serve the purpose as intended. If anything, it’s only serving to produce tens of thousands of embittered enemies ready to rain even more terror upon it. It’s actions have been deemed illegal. It’s been described as a rogue state. It’s lost a lot of world standing.

Agree with you there.

And Biden has turned the other cheek.

Biden probably needs assistance wiping his cheeks, let alone turning them - and the same goes for geriatric Trump.