OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Gronk]

so they only became incapable of doing more than one term in the last 3.5 years? ... ok

What does that mean ? What’s with the riddles.

 

[Gronk]

Name me one leader of the Liberal Party, Federal or State, who is of the moderate faction of the party, who has increased the vote of the Liberal Party at any election in this country in the last 40 years?

Silly comment. A moderate leader in a party with far right views ? The party needs to change, sitting so far in the right as you are with Dutton won’t give you longevity.

 

[Gronk]

Party cadre who replaced sleepy joe with Pamela.

Told her where to campaign, who to and what to argue.

She followed the party line all the way to defeat.

However clunky and unimpressive she was, the deep state democrats sealed her fate.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

The far right in Australia have an incredibly hostile public service to deal with as well as a High Court with guts.

Australia’s deep state.

The Public Service is its own political force. They are disciples of woke and pretty much run the country anyway.

Like Robo debt, where the public service went along with the rights policy decision....

Robodebt scheme - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Gronk]

But you still think Labor has a mandate to do whatever it likes with only 33% of people voting for them?

Well only 23% voted for Trump. Mandate shmandate.

 

[Chipmunk]

Silly comment. A moderate leader in a party with far right views ? The party needs to change, sitting so far in the right as you are with Dutton won’t give you longevity.

Why does it need to change?

It just took government in 2 of the 3 state/territory elections held in the last 3 months, and would've considered the 3rd won completely unachievable.

Is it any coincidence that the Liberal Party's vote in the ACT went backwards under a moderate leader, even in the most progressive jurisdiction in the country?

 

[T.S Quint]

This is why a incompetent ex houso like Albo is now running the country

Why does it matter that he’s an ex-houso?

 

[Chipmunk]

Well only 23% voted for Trump. Mandate shmandate.

You're not really comparing apples with apples though. You can only go on the mandate of those who care to put in the effort to actually vote over there.

What would the result be in the USA if they had compulsory voting? Surely a large portion of the country doesn't bother voting because of the effort in getting to a poling station, and it would likely be harder to get to a voting place the more rural you are, which would lead to likely more Republican/Trump supporters than Democrat/Harris supporters who don't vote.

Obviously last election there was a lot of people who wanted anyone but Trump, given the size of the Democrat vote in 2020. It would appear though that those people after the subsequent four years decided maybe Trump wasn't all that bad, so didn't bother turning up to vote against him.

 

[Chipmunk]

Like Robo debt, where the public service went along with the rights policy decision....

Robodebt scheme - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They go along with every government of the day policy decision, no matter which side they're from.

 

[Gronk]

Why does it need to change?

It just took government in 2 of the 3 state/territory elections held in the last 3 months, and would've considered the 3rd won completely unachievable.

Is it any coincidence that the Liberal Party's vote in the ACT went backwards under a moderate leader, even in the most progressive jurisdiction in the country?

Are you telling me that those elections were won on bringing back conservative values ? See, I am constantly seeing the gloat attributing the Trump and QLD wins to a change of the guard, a swing to old fashioned principles. It’s fantasy.

 

[Chipmunk]

Are you telling me that those elections were won on bringing back conservative values ? See, I am constantly seeing the gloat attributing the Trump and QLD wins to a change of the guard, a swing to old fashioned principles. It’s fantasy.

No, I never said that, but by the same taken, no Labor government is being elected because of a platform of increased worker rights either.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Why does it matter that he’s an ex-houso?

Childhood trauma might be worse for people than childhood privilege

 

[the phantom menace]

You can only really say that if you consider that you have the option to vote for three of the parties (Liberal Party, National Party, and Liberal National Party) in each electorate, but this is not the case. In almost all electorates you only have the one choice of these three.

Yes, sure. But that doesn't change that the Labor Party's 33% (if you choose to use that rather than 2PP %) is higher than any other party's first preference %, so shouldn't be unduly disparaged.

33% to a party in a Scandinavian election would make them basically king-makers in selecting a coalition from between the other 7 or whatever single parties.

 

[the phantom menace]

Not sure it was completely functional at the time, as it did lead to the end of that government for almost a decade, as well as the political careers of two independents, at the following election. In that Parliament you also only had 1 Green, Katter, Wilkie, Oakeshot, and Windsor as the lower house cross bench too.

By functional, I meant it was a government that got a lot done. You wouldn't have noticed they were a minority government, because there was no barriers to the passage of legislation at all. SO all I'm saying is minority government doesn't have to be a constant stalemate, derailed by random nutbags like Thorpe... or the Greens (under Bandt).

 

[T.S Quint]

Childhood trauma might be worse for people than childhood privilege

You’re equating growing up in a housing commission with childhood trauma?

I mean, sure there’s plenty of kids who do, but so would there be rich kids who have trauma from their upbringings.

I grew up in Campbelltown and know many people who were housos when they were kids. Every single one of them has gone on to be successful in their own way, and none are housos anymore.

To think a PM can’t be someone who grew up poor is some elitist bullshit. Having someone in charge who can understand the plight of those worse off than others isn’t a bad thing.

 

[the phantom menace]

Here's a new red hat I quite like...

 

[Gronk]

What happened last night ? Well Penny Wong said



But other parts of the world are saying this. They seem to be diametrically opposed.

 

[Gronk]

No, I never said that, but by the same taken, no Labor government is being elected because of a platform of increased worker rights either.

Your answer didn’t really stay on topic. If we circle back, you were peacocking over the recent change in governments and the loss of numbers in the ACT. I said it was all about the cost of living. Then you lost focus.

 

[Avenger]

Why does it matter that he’s an ex-houso?

Don’t take it out of context.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Like Robo debt, where the public service went along with the rights policy decision....

Robodebt scheme - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

@Chipmunk beat you to the punch.

I still think the public service is powerful.

It could bring the government of Australia to its knees if it really wanted to.

Happy to argue that one out.


Rivers of blood if they cut the dole and social security, which working in the private sector, Im ok paying my tax for.

As good centrists do.