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Yeah, was having a larf.Fake news.
Yeah, was having a larf.Fake news.
The Teals started to flourish when Howard stayed one term too long and never gave power to Costello (despite Costello being a coward), it snowballed with Abbott giving out Australian recognition to English monarchs, we then went into full back stab mode like the ALP with Turnbull and then shit the bed with Morrison. This is why a incompetent ex houso like Albo is now running the country.You guys don’t realise that the Teals are potentially the answer to the Liberals having perpetual leadership in this country. They are your people, yet you treat them like outsiders. The Teals are the mirror image of the UK tories. They are fiscally conservative however have a social and environmental conscience with a specific focus on climate change.
The paradoxical difference between the UK conservatives and the Australian conservatives is quite alarming. The Australian tories are actually far right. Too far to ever stay in power for more than one term.
As I say on repeat, if a 2025 election in Australia follows global trends of flipping governments because of the cost of living, then you guys should ditch Dutton and find a moderate, absorb the Teals and you’d be on a back to back winner.
Party cadre who replaced sleepy joe with Pamela.
so they only became incapable of doing more than one term in the last 3.5 years? ... okThe paradoxical difference between the UK conservatives and the Australian conservatives is quite alarming. The Australian tories are actually far right. Too far to ever stay in power for more than one term.
But you still think Labor has a mandate to do whatever it likes with only 33% of people voting for them?So in a 52% Republican v 48% Democrat US result, that would mean the inference to Australia results within %% accuracy either way would be:
Conservatives between 47-57%
Labour between 43-53%
Not enough to conclude any potential winner there I'm afraid.
I think there is still 6-8 million votes to be counted though.In 2020 81 million voted for Biden and 74 million for Trump.
In 2024 68 million voted for Harris and 72 million for Trump.
A lot of people just couldn’t be f**ked to vote for Harris, same with Trump, just less.
Harris failed to motivate full stop.
Trump looks like he lost supporters, but picked up others in different demographics.
I am sure there are other ways to slice and dice those stats too.
This is raw, and has sweary words so > NSFW <. British journo/comedian breaks down Harris’s campaign.
I don't think I would bother if it wasn't compulsory. I might feel differently if I lived in a generally marginal electorate and my vote decided something though.I do wonder if Australia didn't have compulsory voting.
How much of the eligible voting population would go and vote.
I reckon it would hover around 80-85% maybe even lower perhaps depending on whose putting themselves up.
Like atm we have 2 clowns no one really likes and its been that way for a while.
And if it wasn't compulsory i reckon a fair chunk wouldn't be bothered going because of the quality of candidates.
Interestingly on Wednesday Sportsbet had the next Federal Election Labor $1.83, Coalition $1.96. Today it is Coalition $1.80, Labor $2.00.Right, so if Albo doesn't reverse the worldwide trend of the incumbent being binned, then we'll all be shocked ?
I see what you did there.
Name me one leader of the Liberal Party, Federal or State, who is of the moderate faction of the party, who has increased the vote of the Liberal Party at any election in this country in the last 40 years?You guys don’t realise that the Teals are potentially the answer to the Liberals having perpetual leadership in this country. They are your people, yet you treat them like outsiders. The Teals are the mirror image of the UK tories. They are fiscally conservative however have a social and environmental conscience with a specific focus on climate change.
The paradoxical difference between the UK conservatives and the Australian conservatives is quite alarming. The Australian tories are actually far right. Too far to ever stay in power for more than one term.
As I say on repeat, if a 2025 election in Australia follows global trends of flipping governments because of the cost of living, then you guys should ditch Dutton and find a moderate, absorb the Teals and you’d be on a back to back winner.
That would be an even bigger shit sandwich to swallow .... but i give it zero chance. Australia is oozing with virtue signalers falling over themselves to show they support "The Teals" ... plus the opposition have literally nothing to offer .... it wont happen
Albo won't get up mate. Dutton will be the next PM.
So it's been 3 nights now with TRump president elect!
Anyone that actually though Harris was going to win really needs to get with reality she was never a viable option as President.
I still think Albo will be Dumbledore at the next election here but not because Albo is any good more because Dutton has been and his team are still feeling the effects from Scomo era.
I think this is a very wrong perception out there that is very far removed from reality, particularly at the Federal level.The far right in Australia have an incredibly hostile public service to deal with as well as a High Court with guts.
Australia’s deep state.
The Public Service is its own political force. They are disciples of woke and pretty much run the country anyway.
Thanks Chippy, quite a compelling argument with an excellent example.I think this is a very wrong perception out there that is very far removed from reality, particularly at the Federal level.
I agree as a generalisation they have very much become the disciples of woke, but no Federal public servant in the country does anything unless it is informed to do so by the government of the day.
Basically the way it works is the Federal government of the day informs the public service this is what it wants done, so come back and tell us how it will be done, so that we can then tell you to go and do it. Nothing gets thought about unless first directed to do so by the government of the day. This process doesn't change no matter which party is the government of the day.
The issue for public servants is that they just have to find a way to do whatever the government of the day has informed them they want done. You can see how all this played out with the Robodebt issue. No public servant would ever have made any of those decisions without being informed to do so by the government of the day.
Higher than the percentage vote achieved for any other (single) party.But you still think Labor has a mandate to do whatever it likes with only 33% of people voting for them?
Yes, I tend to agree.I can't see any result other than a minority government for either side at the next election. History would have to be defied for their to be a majority.
You can only really say that if you consider that you have the option to vote for three of the parties (Liberal Party, National Party, and Liberal National Party) in each electorate, but this is not the case. In almost all electorates you only have the one choice of these three.Higher than the percentage vote achieved for any other (single) party.
Not sure it was completely functional at the time, as it did lead to the end of that government for almost a decade, as well as the political careers of two independents, at the following election. In that Parliament you also only had 1 Green, Katter, Wilkie, Oakeshot, and Windsor as the lower house cross bench too.Yes, I tend to agree.
We've had a completely functional minority government (with stable cross bench support) not to long ago, being the Gillard government.