OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Obscene Assassin]

Sounds like the yanks are going to be able to buy kinder surprises again

 

[Gronk]

Sounds like the yanks are going to be able to buy kinder surprises again

I guess you're a shit parent if you assume toys have secure battery compartments. Now in a deregulated USA, some toys may not. Or appear to, but can be fiddled with.

"They shouldn't be allowed to sell something like that !" Sorry lady, that was when we were the nanny state back in pre 2025.

 

[Bandwagon]

I think it depends on who is delivering it. Dutton is a poor communicator and didn't do well under scrutiny.

Some factors that are different to the US:

1. We are less polarised when it comes to what media we consume. In the US, Trump has been able to use lack of trust in the media to his advantage. That's proven more powerful than if he were to receive positive media.
2. Albo is performing much better than Biden and Kamala. He was more popular going into the election and didn't have a disastrous campaign.

If any of the above factors change then its possible, but I agree that the centre is where they can more easily pick up support right now.

Either way, the LNP are in a Ryles-style rebuild.

Compulsory voting.

In the US you have to motivate your base to vote.

Here in Oz, you have to appeal to as many folk as possible who aren't your base, your base is gonna vote anyways.

 

[Bandwagon]

And they are increasing their nuclear power generation. Something our Luddites cannot understand.

Yeah, Hinkley Point C, Not a great example.

The most expensive, longest build nuclear power plant, that's still not quite built and will be literally 20 years from site announcement to generation is not something I'd be hanging my hat on as an argument for nuclear.

 

[Bandwagon]

"The Liberals now hold as few as nine of 88 metropolitan seats, making this a matter of maths rather than opinion."

Lol, a stunning failure - in the parts of this country where the vast majority of people actually live. And something that an Angus Taylor / Jacinta Price leaderhsip (leadershit?) combo won't change.

Price’s dream come true unleashes a moderate’s nightmare

Liberal moderates trying to reclaim urban seats want to ditch the culture wars and embrace the political centre. Senator Jacinta Price, running for Liberal deputy, wants neither.

www.smh.com.au

Another choice quote from a Lib:
“This is the economic mismanager [sic] and MAGA campaign destroyer combining forces to take the Liberal Party further to the right than Peter Dutton could have ever dreamed of,” said one senior Liberal. “It demonstrates the tone-deaf approach they displayed throughout the campaign.”

I posted the following in 4C, The numbers are sourced from the Wiki page for each Federal Election

Primary Vote for the last 20 years........

Listed as Labor, Greens, Coalition (Lib, LNP, Nat) Rounded to nearest whole.

2007: 43, 8, 42 (36,5 No Qld Lnp)
2010: 38, 12, 43 (30,9,4)
2013: 33, 9, 45 (32,9,4)
2016: 35, 10, 42 (29,9,5)
2019: 33, 10, 41 (28,9,5)
2022: 33, 12, 36 (24,8,4)
2025: 35, 12, 32 (21,7,4)

So Liberal party primary vote for the last 6 elections has been.... 30,32,29,28,24,21. And what's relevant about that to what you've posted is that the Liberal Party vote is representative of the vote they are getting in the major cities ( excluding Bris-Vegus ) where most Australians live.

All the brouhaha around the primary vote of the majors collapsing, isn't all that accurate. Labor's Primary has held for the last five elections, but the Liberals has been collapsing whilst the Nats and The LNP have pretty much held.

If the Liberals can't regain their heartland in the leafy suburbs, they are f**ked for a very long time.

 

[the phantom menace]

They're great figures... and clearly show the slide of the Liberals' share of the vote over time, while other shares stay fairly constant.

Teals are a new factor but only in the seats they contest, so while they tend to shave votes from the Libs they wouldn't account for that huge Lib slide downwards.

Angus Taylor and Jacinta Price aren't going to convince any votes in the city suburbs to go back to Liberals from Teals or Labor... at least Sussan Ley might make the Lib party seem a little more palatable to women over the next three years, and perhaps lay a foundation for them to build on and be competitive for the leader after her (and for the 2031 election)... maybe!

 

[Gronk]

When you and your racist base don't give a f**k about optics.

PS. Potato Head did this first Donny.

 

[Avenger]

I can’t believe it but I don’t really hate Albo. I’m actually happy for him. Was Dutton that bad? Actually I think he was. The worst candidate for the Libs in my lifetime maybe second to that idiot that said ‘The things that batter’ when talking about domestic violence. Alexander Downer.

 

[Gronk]

Well they have elected Sussan and Ted.

Is this the end of the radical right ?




LINK

 

[Avenger]

Anyone who changes their name based on numerology I can’t accept. She will not be the leader and challenging Albo at the next election. She will be boned like BA.

 

[the phantom menace]

Jacinta Price showing she's chicken shit to be judged a loser, and withdrawing from the Deputy Leader vote...

Ley as leader was the only option if the Libs are serious about trying to win back some of the votes they lost to the centre, which resulted in their worst election result in living memory.

I can't believe 25 Libs still wanted to vote to stay way out on the right with Angus Taylor... lol. The Libs a divided rabble, and there will be further leadership challenges over coming months and years before the election no doubt.

 

[Twizzle]

Was Dutton that bad?

I found it hard to beleive that he actually took the leadership after ScoMo.

Out of the frying pan.......................

 

[bazza]

I found it hard to beleive that he actually took the leadership after ScoMo.

Out of the frying pan.......................

We can thank Monique Ryan for giving us Pete

 

[bazza]

Jacinta Price showing she's chicken shit to be judged a loser, and withdrawing from the Deputy Leader vote...

Ley as leader was the only option if the Libs are serious about trying to win back some of the votes they lost to the centre, which resulted in their worst election result in living memory.

I can't believe 25 Libs still wanted to vote to stay way out on the right with Angus Taylor... lol. The Libs a divided rabble, and there will be further leadership challenges over coming months and years before the election no doubt.

apparently some of the people that voted today are senators that won't be there is a few months time. Not sure what the numbers would be then

 

[Eelogical]

Anyone who changes their name based on numerology I can’t accept. She will not be the leader and challenging Albo at the next election. She will be boned like BA.

I agree. She looks out of her depth already. It's as if the LNP had no space left in their cap to elect a candidate of value. She appears to be a LNP version of Kamala Harris. I'll give her 12 months, max.

 

[the phantom menace]

apparently some of the people that voted today are senators that won't be there is a few months time. Not sure what the numbers would be then

As well as some MPs who might not be there, with seats subject to recounts due to very slim margins!

 

[the phantom menace]

Great paragraph in this article :

Dutton crusaded against “woke” agendas and gained acclaim on Sky News at night, only to be smashed at the ballot box on election day. The lesson is obvious: Late Night Sky just lost the election, and the Liberals will not recover if they keep listening to losers.

Ley replaced Dutton once before. This time is an even tougher task

Ley has such an impossible task that it makes sense to question what success means.

www.smh.com.au

 

[bazza]

As well as some MPs who might not be there, with seats subject to recounts due to very slim margins!

Albo should ask a few MPs to resign to trigger some by-elections

 

[the phantom menace]

Jacinta "chickened out" Price now also being seen as a selfish dumb merkin by supporters in her new party room... no surprises there!

“She totally f---ed us,” one supporter of Taylor said of Price’s blindsiding.
Similar sentiment was expressed by six Taylor supporters to whom this masthead spoke in the hours after Ley – backed by Alex Hawke’s centre-right faction and party moderates – became the first woman to lead the party.

“There’s no other explanation other than that she chickened out. The Gus [Angus Taylor] vote was first and he lost. She knew she would have lost by a bigger margin, so she chickened out,” another MP said.

Jacinta Price ‘chickened out’ of deputy vote, say infuriated and blindsided Angus Taylor backers

Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price shocked the allies who brought her into the Liberal Party when she did not put her hand up to run as deputy leader.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Gronk]

Crazy close and still counting....