OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Poupou Escobar]

Low-res video is better than spending all your coronavirus money on soon-to-be-outdated comms infrastructure.

 

[Gary Gutful]

F**k Lo-res.

 

[Twizzle]

Low-res video is better than spending all your coronavirus money on soon-to-be-outdated comms infrastructure.

and if they did it properly in the first place it wouldn't have been outdated before it was complete

 

[Poupou Escobar]

and if they did it properly in the first place it wouldn't have been outdated before it was complete

Yeah and it would've cost more, and still been out of date in short order. IT future-proofing is an endless financial sinkhole with no right answer. Let users and businesses take that risk and governments stick to doing what they do best, whatever that is.

 

[Twizzle]

Yeah and it would've cost more, and still been out of date in short order.

disagree, I seriously doubt fttp would have been out of date by now

 

[strider]

F**k Lo-res.

I like my LOLcats in 4K

 

[Gronk]

Yeah and it would've cost more, and still been out of date in short order. IT future-proofing is an endless financial sinkhole with no right answer. Let users and businesses take that risk and governments stick to doing what they do best, whatever that is.

Thanks for your input, Colin.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

disagree, I seriously doubt fttp would have been out of date by now

Why is now the most important cut off? Why not a year from now? Or ten years from now? Or two years ago?

Here's how bandwidth requirement grows over time, consistent with Nielsen's Law:

https://www.nngroup.com/articles/law-of-bandwidth/

Which (projected) point along that line should the government have chosen to crystallise with expensive data cabling installed in the ground? Don't forget, the further ahead you try to future proof, the exponentially more expensive things get. If you're able to extrapolate, this graph will show how paying for more advanced tech today is a lot more expensive than paying for it in the future:

https://drpeering.net/FAQ/What-are-the-historical-transit-pricing-trends.php

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Thanks for your input, Colin.

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I reckon you and Suitman are Colin in this debate. I'm the one who knows what he's talking about. You guys are the ones wantin' to blame the gubmint no matter what they do.

 

[Gronk]

I reckon you and Suitman are Colin in this debate. I'm the one who knows what he's talking about. You guys are the ones wantin' to blame the gubmint no matter what they do.

Are yes, dismiss them as leftist and ignore the original premise.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Are yes, dismiss them as leftist and ignore the original premise.

I'm not dismissing you as leftist. I'm dismissing you as nominating your scapegoat without understanding what you're talking about.

 

[Gronk]

I'm not dismissing you as leftist. I'm dismissing you as nominating your scapegoat without understanding what you're talking about.

I understand the concepts that you peddle. It’s not the government’s job to provide Public infrastructures, broadband, health, education blah blah. Enterprise should supply these blah blah. Yet when economy falls flat, you merkins are first in line to be indemnified. FMD.

What ypu’re ignoring here is that the government DID opt to install an NBN, notwithstanding it being contrary to your beliefs. And the NBN that they installed was dodgy.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I understand the concepts that you peddle. It’s not the government’s job to provide Public infrastructures, broadband, health, education blah blah. Enterprise should supply these blah blah. Yet when economy falls flat, you merkins are first in line to be indemnified. FMD.

Whoah. I definitely think the government should provide education and healthcare, at least for children.

What ypu’re ignoring here is that the government DID opt to install an NBN, notwithstanding it being contrary to your beliefs. And the NBN that they installed was dodgy.

Mine works just fine. Everybody's works fine if they don't expect too much from it. If they expect more they can pay for a superior (and vastly more expensive) service provided by the private sector. But everything in tech gets old eventually, and by 'eventually' I mean very quickly, because new technologies don't just replace their predecessors, but render related technologies redundant or incompatible.

 

[Bandwagon]

Not so much with massive infrastructure like telecommunications systems, their sheer cost guarantees a much longer shelf life, because tech advances get geared towards improving the way they are used and perform due to a lack of viable alternatives.

How long did copper service our needs?

Yet during that time technologies became available to replace it. and whilst they were adopted it was only ever on a small scale ( as compared to the overall size of our networks ) and the implementation was very gradual and piecemeal.

Had the NBN been delivered as FTTP, the sheer magnitude of cost associated with replacing it would have ensured many decades of service, Instead we got a version that's all over the shop and will be more easily superseded by emerging and existing technologies.

The problem however was never really the actual cost, the problem is and has always been the limited vision of applying economic rationalism to everything that we do, in the pursuit of satisfying a dubious ideological economic dogma.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Had the NBN been delivered as FTTP, the sheer magnitude of cost associated with replacing it would have ensured many decades of service, Instead we got a version that's all over the shop and will be more easily superseded by emerging and existing technologies.

Why is that a problem?

 

[Gronk]

Mine works just fine. Everybody's works fine if they don't expect too much from it. If they expect more they can pay for a superior (and vastly more expensive) service provided by the private sector. But everything in tech gets old eventually, and by 'eventually' I mean very quickly, because new technologies don't just replace their predecessors, but render related technologies redundant or incompatible.

Way to miss the point again. It’s wonderful that yours works fine, however there are literally millions of people who have been bumped off their private enterprise adsl2 service and forced to join a government built inferior product being the nbn. I’m not going to bother with your straw man bs about technology half life. The case in point is that the LNP built a lame duck.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Why is that a problem?

That was a joke by the way. Of course its a problem.

 

[Bandwagon]

Why is that a problem?

Which statement?

 

[strider]

That was a joke by the way. Of course its a problem.

good one gronk ... oh hang on

 

[Bandwagon]

That was a joke by the way. Of course its a problem.

FFS.