OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Suitman]

Gibber. I’m a fool for thinking that this could actually be going somewhere.

Why do you bother? You should have learnt that ages ago tbh.

 

[hindy111]

Why do you bother? You should have learnt that ages ago tbh.

Did you get toilet paper?

 

[Eelogical]

Do you?

Hoki poki

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Gibber. I’m a fool for thinking that this could actually be going somewhere.

Look, I agree the NBN could've been better (and more expensive). But it could also have been cheaper (and worse). Either way merkins would have pissed and moaned, and I doubt they would have ever stopped.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Did you get toilet paper?

Yep, Suity only talks about serious business.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Hoki poki

That what its all about...

 

[hindy111]

Yep, Suity only talks about serious business.

I was going to source some for him. I have connections all over place.

 

[Bandwagon]

Look, I agree the NBN could've been better (and more expensive). But it could also have been cheaper (and worse). Either way merkins would have pissed and moaned, and I doubt they would have ever stopped.

Is being better and more expensive a bad thing?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It's just a thing. How much better and more expensive should we have gone with? You don't know any more than I do.

 

[Gary Gutful]

There might still be a chance to do something expensive if we are looking to boost the economy in 6-12 months time.

 

[hindy111]

It's just a thing. How much better and more expensive should we have gone with? You don't know any more than I do.

I have had 4g wireless for 3yrs. It's great imo.
Once 5g rolls put all these wired interent will be obsolete in normal homes.
Most people use tablets and phones these days.

 

[hindy111]

There might still be a chance to do something expensive if we are looking to boost the economy in 6-12 months time.

Good time to be a sparky.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Good time to be a sparky.

 

[Bandwagon]

It's just a thing. How much better and more expensive should we have gone with? You don't know any more than I do.

Cool, so it's neither a good nor bad thing?

But yeah, whilst it's true I don't know how much better it should be, evidence abounds that it is not as good as it should have been.

There is also plenty of evidence to suggest that it's more expensive than it should have been, given how good ( or bad ) it is.

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[Poupou Escobar]

Well the key evidence that's missing is how much better or cheaper it could actually have been under the circumstances. But being government (rather than just the LNP) we should have a fair idea that it cost a lot more than it needed to.

 

[Bandwagon]

Well the key evidence that's missing is how much better or cheaper it could actually have been under the circumstances. But being government (rather than just the LNP) we should have a fair idea that it cost a lot more than it needed to.

Yeah I don't buy into the whole "the private sector does it better" ideology, but I do believe that the very partisan approach to this ensured we didn't get the value we otherwise might have had.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yeah I don't buy into the whole "the private sector does it better" ideology, but I do believe that the very partisan approach to this ensured we didn't get the value we otherwise might have had.

The private sector doesn't necessarily do it better, but if they don't they're the ones who lose money, rather than the taxpayer.

The reason we have access to all this affordable stuff from the private sector is because they are out there risking going broke, and many of them do, thus effectively subsidising our lifestyles. This is why business owners are the modern heroes of society. It's also why it's so insulting when the government bails them out - because it shows the biggest ones aren't actually taking any risk (until government refuses the bailout).

If the government runs over budget trying to give us NBN they just siphon off more taxpayer funds. If a private firm does it they and their investors are the ones who take the hit, not the rest of us.

 

[Bandwagon]

The private sector doesn't necessarily do it better, but if they lose money they're the ones who take the hit, rather than the taxpayer.

The reason we have access to all this affordable stuff from the private sector is because they are out there risking going broke, and many of them do, thus effectively subsidising our lifestyles. This is why it's so insulting when the government bails them out - because it shows the biggest ones aren't actually taking any risk (until government refuses the bailout).

If the government runs over budget trying to give us NBN they just siphon off more taxpayer funds. If a private firm does it they and their investors are the ones who lose, not the rest of us.

TBH I think the sentence highlighted really negates everything else you say here.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

TBH I think the sentence highlighted really negates everything else you say here.

Well it doesn't because the government allows most failing businesses to die. Only the big employers get propped up because citizens need jobs more than they need welfare.

 

[Bandwagon]

Well it doesn't because the government allows most failing businesses to die. Only the big employers get propped up because citizens need jobs more than they need welfare.

Yet in the context of this discussion, it is only the "big employers" that would be remotely capable of offering a private sector alternative to the building of such a huge piece of infrastructure.

My view is that there's a point where any given organisation reaches a size whereby there becomes to many layers in order to manage it, and therefore becomes inefficient and unresponsive, government being the generally the largest of organisations, is not immune to this, nor is any corporate behemoth.

Of course there would always be exceptions, but basically the larger the organisation, the more internally f**ked it becomes.