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[strider]

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FFS dont put it in western australia

 

[Gronk]

So is gas powered electricity production considered ok?

No it’s filthy

 

[strider]

Alot of places seem very gas and nuclear dependent .... Thats a bit sucky yeah?

What is australias break down per source?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Alot of places seem very gas and nuclear dependent .... Thats a bit sucky yeah?

What is australias break down per source?

20% Tomato
80% BBQ

 

[Incorrect]

20% Tomato
80% BBQ

Tabasco is f**king hot, like the sun.... We should be using that

 

[Bandwagon]

Alot of places seem very gas and nuclear dependent .... Thats a bit sucky yeah?

What is australias break down per source?

Electricity generation | energy.gov.au

In 2019-20 total electricity generation in Australia was nearly steady at around 265 TWh (955 PJ), the highest total generation on record for Australia. COVID-19 affected sectoral usage and time of demand, but had limited impact on overall demand for electricity for the year as a whole. Fossil...

www.energy.gov.au

Obviously that's a coulpa years old, so when you look at the growth of renewables it's gonna be a higher percentage this year and last. But still it's predominately coal.

 

[hindy111]

My solar panel on my van died after 2yrs. Its buried somewhere now or in the ocean

 

[Gary Gutful]

Electricity generation | energy.gov.au

In 2019-20 total electricity generation in Australia was nearly steady at around 265 TWh (955 PJ), the highest total generation on record for Australia. COVID-19 affected sectoral usage and time of demand, but had limited impact on overall demand for electricity for the year as a whole. Fossil...

www.energy.gov.au

Obviously that's a coulpa years old, so when you look at the growth of renewables it's gonna be a higher percentage this year and last. But still it's predominately coal.

It is, but renewables are getting cheaper and cheaper. Massive increase in wind farm and solar projects and we are yet to really test offshore wind and tidal in any meaningful way.

The big wildcard for me is hydrogen. If we crack that nut it’s a game changer. My concern though is that like CSG in the past, we seem more interested in export opportunities rather than energy security.

 

[Bandwagon]

It is, but renewables are getting cheaper and cheaper. Massive increase in wind farm and solar projects and we are yet to really test offshore wind and tidal in any meaningful way.

The big wildcard for me is hydrogen. If we crack that nut it’s a game changer. My concern though is that like CSG in the past, we seem more interested in export opportunities rather than energy security.

It's a problem for sure, the right policy approach would have seen us reduce coal and expand gas generation years ago, as it much better complements the expansion of renewables, and there's an abundance of it.

Instead we've bumbled along and fought unwinnable climate wars much to our detriment, which has mostly served to enrichen multinationals and push up the price of power.

Hydrogen could be a game changer, as could advancements in Nukes if they get SMR's delivering on the potential advantages they make.

 

[Gary Gutful]

It's a problem for sure, the right policy approach would have seen us reduce coal and expand gas generation years ago, as it much better complements the expansion of renewables, and there's an abundance of it.

Instead we've bumbled along and fought unwinnable climate wars much to our detriment, which has mostly served to enrichen multinationals and push up the price of power.

Hydrogen could be a game changer, as could advancements in Nukes if they get SMR's delivering on the potential advantages they make.

That’s true.

Declaration: I worked in mining for many years.

I think the mining lobby undoubtedly f**ked over Rudd when he tried to get an emissions trading scheme up, but that was more about the mechanics rather than outright avoidance.

Since then the big players have been very cautious about thermal coal because they recognise it will be phased out. That’s provided an opportunity for 2nd and 3rd tier miners to jump in and try and make a shit sandwich work but who really cares about them?

I think the coalition have convinced themselves that climate action = Ooga Booga, but the reality is that Industry have largely been preparing for this.

The lack of Government leadership on climate change in recent years has been embarrassing and completely unnecessary.

 

[Gary Gutful]

What a f**ken idiot.

 

[Bandwagon]

That’s true.

Declaration: I worked in mining for many years.

I think the mining lobby undoubtedly f**ked over Rudd when he tried to get an emissions trading scheme up, but that was more about the mechanics rather than outright avoidance.

Since then the big players have been very cautious about thermal coal because they recognise it will be phased out. That’s provided an opportunity for 2nd and 3rd tier miners to jump in and try and make a shit sandwich work but who really cares about them?

I think the coalition have convinced themselves that climate action = Ooga Booga, but the reality is that Industry have largely been preparing for this.

The lack of Government leadership on climate change in recent years has been embarrassing and completely unnecessary.

As have the rest of the world, the final nail in the coffin was the EU's plans for a tax on goods from nations not playing to their rules. Which was entirely foreseeable. They weren't gonna penalise themselves forever on trade, it was only a matter of the mechanism.

It doesn't matter any more what your belief or position on climate change is, the fact is it's now the financial reality, either get with the program, or suffer the losses of not doing so.

 

[Bandwagon]

What a f**ken idiot.

Lucky they only gave him a stick welder to play tradesman.

He traced it right down the workpiece, some poor merkin's got a bit of cleaning to do.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Waiting for him to kiss a baby and then drop it.

 

[the phantom menace]

He's a car crash. Name the date and call the election already !

(From what I'm hearing, looks like it will be called on 9-11 April for an election date of Sat 14 May - a min 33 days notice.)

 

[Gronk]

Alot of places seem very gas and nuclear dependent .... Thats a bit sucky yeah?

What is australias break down per source?

In the context of climate change, nuclear is great. Greenie purists hate it for other reasons. Nuclear won’t happen here because it takes decades to set it up and you burn cash in the billions. The cost of renewables is constantly coming down and the cost per gw blows nuclear out of the water.

 

[Gronk]

There was a breakthrough in fusion something something during the week. Above my pay grade so don’t bother asking me about it.

 

[strider]

Yeah i get the nuclear good but risky bit.

But it seems all those countries in europe that are held up as bastions of renewables still have a very high dependency on some other backup that isnt considered good.

Obviously you hope renewables continue to improve over time. But they still have seem to have their reliability issues.

What will australias backup be? Gas?

 

[Twizzle]

So is gas powered electricity production considered ok?

gas powered generators are a common form of back up power supply to some PV arrays for projects that need essential power supply

 

[Gronk]

Yeah i get the nuclear good but risky bit.

But it seems all those countries in europe that are held up as bastions of renewables still have a very high dependency on some other backup that isnt considered good.

Obviously you hope renewables continue to improve over time. But they still have seem to have their reliability issues.

What will australias backup be? Gas?

Gas will be used as we transition away from coal, but won’t feature long term. We are behind the 8 ball because other countries started their transition decades ago.


Nothwithstanding the scaremongering and panic seeding ^^^^ by the coalition, power companies can see that their coal investments are going the way of VHS tapes.

Australia's biggest coal power plant to close as its economics become 'unsustainable'

Origin Energy plans to shut Australia's largest coal-fired power plant seven years early, in 2025, with plans to replace it with a big battery on the same site.

www.abc.net.au

'Biggest battery in Southern Hemisphere'​

In its place, the company said it has "well-progressed plans" for battery storage of up to 700 megawatts on the site.