OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Suitman]

Why do we need to spend $260 million dollars to develop a "business case" to build infrastructure?

Going off that, that's $2.6m / kilometre of line just to decide whether it'll be viable or not?

Or am I missing something here?

I don't know and I don't understand that either. It should cost a fraction of that one would think. Those sorts of expenses are obscene.
Maybe our resident engineer @Twizzle might know?
The business case for the Nowra bypass is costing $100 million. I just don't get it.

 

[hindy111]

I don't know and I don't understand that either. It should cost a fraction of that one would think. Those sorts of expenses are obscene.
Maybe our resident engineer @Twizzle might know?
The business case for the Nowra bypass is costing $100 million. I just don't get it.

Nowra bypass isn't easy. I heard there isn't anywhere direct to put it and why they've held off.

 

[Suitman]

Nowra bypass isn't easy. I heard there isn't anywhere direct to put it and why they've held off.

That's true, it's a difficult one across a flood plain, but seriously?
$100 million for planning? That's obscene!

And, they have a pathway to the west of the town that they have reserved.

 

[hindy111]

That's true, it's a difficult one across a flood plain, but seriously?
$100 million for planning? That's obscene!

And, they have a pathway to the west of the town that they have reserved.

Oh I thought you meant to build. That is ridiculous.

 

[the phantom menace]

I can't help you if you aren't willing to help yourself.

Hmm. Willing to help myself post current articles in the politics and current affairs theread... I don't think I need much help there? But a few articles revealing Perrottet's shortcomings and it seems to have flustered you in some way?

Something something Jacinta...?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Hmm. Willing to help myself post current articles in the politics and current affairs theread... I don't think I need much help there? But a few articles revealing Perrottet's shortcomings and it seems to have flustered you in some way?

Something something Jacinta...?

Yes. Something something indeed...

 

[Gary Gutful]

That's true, it's a difficult one across a flood plain, but seriously?
$100 million for planning? That's obscene!

And, they have a pathway to the west of the town that they have reserved.

I worked on a major rail and port infrastructure planning project where we spent $200M on prefeasibility studies which included engineering, commercial, land, approvals, traditional owner negotiation and detailed options analysis but I'd describe that as much more than just a "Business Case". The project never went ahead but it would have cost $10-12B to deliver. That was 10 years ago.

 

[the phantom menace]

yes - we understand your absolute obsession with any LNP leader means a million posts .... scomo, now perrottet

Is not an election and the removal of a dud politician by definition current affairs and politics?

 

[the phantom menace]

So, I'm curious to know what Labor's transport policies are moving forward.

Happy reading - lots of links on transport policies for your to click and read here.

Labor's Fresh Start Plan for Roads and Transport

Labor will ensure communities can access an affordable and reliable transport system, and reduce the burden of tolls on the family budget.

www.freshstartplan.com.au

 

[strider]

Is not an election and the removal of a dud politician by definition current affairs and politics?

Did i say it was off topic? .... by all means show us how obsessive you are

 

[the phantom menace]

Ok then... after all that agitation I'll just keep using the thread for what it's for I guess

 

[strider]

So did all the previous incarnations of Bart get banned forever, hence the new name? Or you just wanted to come back under a new name?

 

[the phantom menace]

The phantom menace joined these forums in May 2021, to celebrate the Eels premiership window (and hopefully overdue premiership win) with this bunch of internet Eels fans.

 

[strider]

And the menaces Bartman and ThePhantom were banned forever i assume. Cos those names seem to no longer exist.

 

[Bandwagon]

I worked on a major rail and port infrastructure planning project where we spent $200M on prefeasibility studies which included engineering, commercial, land, approvals, traditional owner negotiation and detailed options analysis but I'd describe that as much more than just a "Business Case". The project never went ahead but it would have cost $10-12B to deliver. That was 10 years ago.

Yeah see that's more than a business case by far, you're doing a lot of work that'd have to have been done at any rate had the project gone ahead.

Worse though in that article it refers to it as "the final business case" which indicates obviously that some of that work at the least has already been done.

If I'm to be honest it just looks like a means by which to funnel more public money to the private sector, whilst engaging in a fair bit of arse covering should things turn to shit, or they simply change their mind.

 

[the phantom menace]

Indeed, the proliferation of taxpayer money to the consultancy sector across the board (not just these expensive "feasibility" exercises) by governments has risen astronomically in the past decade. Higher risk of waste for no outcomes.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Yeah see that's more than a business case by far, you're doing a lot of work that'd have to have been done at any rate had the project gone ahead.

Worse though in that article it refers to it as "the final business case" which indicates obviously that some of that work at the least has already been done.

If I'm to be honest it just looks like a means by which to funnel more public money to the private sector, whilst engaging in a fair bit of arse covering should things turn to shit, or they simply change their mind.

Fair call. There doesn’t appear to be a lot of transparency involved. It’s a lot of money.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Indeed, the proliferation of taxpayer money to the consultancy sector across the board (not just these expensive "feasibility" exercises) by governments has risen astronomically in the past decade. Higher risk of waste for no outcomes.

It has indeed. Trying to outsource all responsibility and have someone else to blame when it inevitably goes to shit.

 

[Twizzle]

I don't know and I don't understand that either. It should cost a fraction of that one would think. Those sorts of expenses are obscene.
Maybe our resident engineer @Twizzle might know?
The business case for the Nowra bypass is costing $100 million. I just don't get it.

makes no sense to me

might have to watch Utopia again

 

[Gronk]

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I don't know and I don't understand that either. It should cost a fraction of that one would think. Those sorts of expenses are obscene.
Maybe our resident engineer @Twizzle might know?
The business case for the Nowra bypass is costing $100 million. I just don't get it.

There's a street adjacent to Randwick Racecourse called Doncaster Avenue. We joke about the NSW Gov project to drop in a green bicycle path from Kingsford to Centennial Park. It's already a wide street, so plenty of room for a bike lane.

Why do we joke ? Project cost - $240 Million

Kingsford to Centennial Park walking & cycling | Transport for NSW

The Australian and NSW Governments are delivering walking and cycling improvements to provide an active transport link between Kingsfor ...

www.transport.nsw.gov.au