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That's what happens when you can only see one side of politics as good, and the other side evil.
That's a very black and white simplification... from someone who seems to be looking for a simplification.

One side of politics is better than the other (in my opinion - based on personal values), which has never meant or implied that one side of politics is perfect.

Anyway, in the next six weeks there's much bigger fish to fry than Jo Haylen and her appointee, as I'm sure you'd agree...

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That's a very black and white simplification... from someone who seems to be looking for a simplification.

One side of politics is better than the other (in my opinion - based on personal values), which has never meant or implied that one side of politics is perfect.

Anyway, in the next six weeks there's much bigger fish to fry than Jo Haylen and her appointee, as I'm sure you'd agree...

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If you just admitted occasionally that your own side has their issues then you’d be taken more seriously.

I happen to agree that there are bigger issues at the moment but I think it’s dangerous to dismiss shithousery on your side.
 

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From what I can see, the previous mob were fairly dodgy as well. I think this sort of rubbish happens on both sides of politics.
Yep, Andrew Constance rissoled the Transport Secretary 2 versions back because the Secretary wouldn't blindly play ball with Constance's directive to clear trees either side of highways to reduce bushfire hazards down in his south coast electorate.... the Secretary got a payout, ~800K from memory, and then just brought in his own captain's pick and away they go....
 

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Just once, I will reply to you Bartman.

No, Jo needs to go. She's a tool of the RTBU. If you cannot see that, than you are blind.
The issue of public transport and infrastructure is a huge issue. Metro is a game changer for this traffic grid locked city.
She has been thrown into a portfolio of which she knows absolutely nothing about. She is a pawn of the RTBU and will only be a hinderance to this state and its current infrastructure upgrades. The like of which we haven't seen since Bradfield a century ago.
I just don't get why people want to hold this back.

FFS, you complained about the loss of City Extra in Parra 5 years ago and look where Parra is now. It was a country town back then.
Now it is a vibrant city with so much infrastructure having been built or still being built. Arts, sports, education, health and transport all being invested in. All due to the previous govt.
Parra would still be a f**king dump if it hadn't been for 12 years of a coalition govt in this state with vision.
And for the record, I will have no hesitation in voting YES for your bigger issue.
So don't f**king accuse me of being a Liberal supporter.
 

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So lets go for a biggy that everyone should knows is true, "YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY" have they got that on their agenda.

I'm gonna spend a bit more time on this, mainly because of the surety displayed in the statement "So lets go for a biggy that everyone should knows is true" The reasoning being that in stating it in that manner it proposes the statement to be universally accepted as true, and beyond dispute.

If you so happen to believe it not to be true, well obviously you should know better. I think the confidence displayed in that statement, despite it actually being incorrect, is telling in the type of mindset that accepts such a thing so uncritically, whilst simultaneously inferring to not accept it as true renders the doubter incapable of critical thought. Or indeed a simple investigation into the claim and seeing it as lacking somewhat in substance.

However what it actually is, is the product of an echo chamber of like minded individuals who have convinced themselves and each other through repeated re-enforcement of the central idea through sharing the same hackneyed shit takes over and over again.

So anyways, here's a link to the essay itself.....

https://futurism.com/welcome-2030-nothing-privacy-life-better

Here's a link to the wiki page on it. There's some detail in there worth reading for those interested.....


Here's what the WEF has to say about it in a policy sense. It might not be immediately apparent that this particular essay is directly related to their push for a circular economy, but it's not the flowery detail in the essay that's important, it's the central train of thought, that resources be used and reused more efficiently.


There's more links at the bottom of that page.

What is clear there is that though they do endorse the ideas of shared ownership and goods as a service, it's certainly not some plot that you'll own nothing, what it encompasses is the more efficient and productive use of resources, and those two concepts are part of their proposed solution to the problem of ever increasing consumption.

Now I'm all up for debate around the pros and cons there, but blatant misrepresentation as means to vilify ideas or discussion is what's actually happening in this space, so we don't get debate, what we get is active suppression of ideas.
 
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I'm gonna spend a bit more time on this, mainly because of the surety displayed in the statement "So lets go for a biggy that everyone should knows is true" The reasoning being that in stating it in that manner it proposes the statement to be universally accepted as true, and beyond dispute.

If you so happen to believe it not to be true, well obviously you should know better. I think the confidence displayed in that statement, despite it actually being incorrect, is telling in the type of mindset that accepts such a thing so uncritically, whilst simultaneously inferring to not accept it as true renders the doubter incapable of critical thought. Or indeed a simple investigation into the claim and seeing it as lacking somewhat in substance.

However what it actually is, is the product of an echo chamber of like minded individuals who have convinced themselves and each other through repeated re-enforcement of the central idea through sharing the same hackneyed shit takes over and over again.

So anyways, here's a link to the essay itself.....


Here's a link to the wiki page on it. There's some detail in there worth reading for those interested.....


Here's what the WEF has to say about it in a policy sense. It might not be immediately apparent that this particular essay is directly related to their push for a circular economy, but it's not the flowery detail in the essay that's important, it's the central train of thought, that resources be used and reused more efficiently.


There's more links at the bottom of that page.

What is clear there is that though they do endorse the ideas of shared ownership and goods as a service, it's certainly not some plot that you'll own nothing, what it encompasses is the more efficient and productive use of resources, and those two concepts are part of their proposed solution to the problem of ever increasing consumption.

Now I'm all up for debate around the pros and cons there, but blatant misrepresentation as means to vilify ideas or discussion is what's actually happening in this space, so we don't get debate, what we get is active suppression of ideas.
Lay off on the text overload Rammy.
 

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Someone explain the referendum to me. What will happen if we vote YES?

The government will create ( and fund ) a representative body for indigenous folk ( the voice ), and because that body is demanded by the constitution, future governments will not be able to abolish it.

They will however be able to amend the legislation that creates it, thus allowing for it to be changed or reformed as the government of the day sees fit, subject of course to the normal goings on in parliament.
 

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If you just admitted occasionally that your own side has their issues then you’d be taken more seriously.

I happen to agree that there are bigger issues at the moment but I think it’s dangerous to dismiss shithousery on your side.

I actually think Bart could be Alex Glasson. No matter how safe the new inter-city train fleet was, just because it was initiated by the other side of politics, we can waste $230 million of taxpayers money to make them less safe and take out all that new technology afterwards and then ensure the jobs of guards who weren't needed on these trains remain in their positions, costing the taxpayers a shit load more in wages for years to come.
It's embarrassing. Labor saving us money and being financially frugal? Lol.
 
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If you just admitted occasionally that your own side has their issues then you’d be taken more seriously.
Fair point, but I'd have to say that whether Suity (or anyone else) takes my forum persona seriously is not of great concern... if Suity wants to try and point score in playing to his own biases, then that's entirely up to him.
I happen to agree that there are bigger issues at the moment but I think it’s dangerous to dismiss shithousery on your side.
I haven't dismissed it. I'm just talking about the biggest issue of the day's news.
 

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Lol, you are replying to Gary yet you mention me twice.
Your obsession is sickening, if not disturbing.
No wonder Pou was worried about you stalking his wife on FB.
 

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This. The Ram has just been talking in generalisations and every time he’s cornered and pivots to some other bullshit.
That seems to be the standard operating model for these type of conspiracy theorists
Pull them up on something that is blatantly not true then they just move on to the next part of the conspiracy
 

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Fair point, but I'd have to say that whether Suity (or anyone else) takes my forum persona seriously is not of great concern... if Suity wants to try and point score in playing to his own biases, then that's entirely up to him.

I haven't dismissed it. I'm just talking about the biggest issue of the day's news.
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Just once, I will reply to you Bartman.
Just once (again), lol.
No, Jo needs to go. She's a tool of the RTBU. If you cannot see that, than you are blind.
The issue of public transport and infrastructure is a huge issue. Metro is a game changer for this traffic grid locked city.
She has been thrown into a portfolio of which she knows absolutely nothing about. She is a pawn of the RTBU and will only be a hinderance to this state and its current infrastructure upgrades. The like of which we haven't seen since Bradfield a century ago.
I just don't get why people want to hold this back.
You're entitled to your view and your take on things. As are others whose views you mightn't agree with or understand.

I don't have a strong view of who serves as Minister and appointed Department secretary, maybe because I know that things in the machinery of government bureaucracy largely go on much the same, regardless of which individual is sitting in a particular office. Elliot and the previous Department secretary had plenty of flaws too.
FFS, you complained about the loss of City Extra in Parra 5 years ago and look where Parra is now. It was a country town back then.
Now it is a vibrant city with so much infrastructure having been built or still being built. Arts, sports, education, health and transport all being invested in.
Are you quoting a joke about City Extra I made 5 years ago back at me, as if it was some central part of my world view about (against) the trickle down capitalism approach to urban development?
All due to the previous govt.
Parra would still be a f**king dump if it hadn't been for 12 years of a coalition govt in this state with vision.
In your opinion, which you're entitled to. But I think the factors impacting economic policy and capacity of a state (or country) it's more complex than a black and white view of credit or blame for which party is in the seat of government at a particular time. But it seems to be a party-based blame game mantra that you keep returning to (here or in your non-political development thread, lol), more often than anyone else does.
And for the record, I will have no hesitation in voting YES for your bigger issue.

So don't f**king accuse me of being a Liberal supporter.
I know you will also vote YES, for something I hope you also thing is a bigger issue today, this week, this month, than Jo Hayden and whatsisname. As you know there are Liberals (Turnbull, Julian Leeser) openly advocating YES votes - YES and No in this referendum shouldn't be about party politics.
 

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That seems to be the standard operating model for these type of conspiracy theorists
Pull them up on something that is blatantly not true then they just move on to the next part of the conspiracy
So true, but the ridiculous ego that accompanies it is appalling given how many highly successful people they are trying to convince. Most, if not all are failures under the current system and are reacting largely as a result of their own inadequacies.

"It's not my fault I'm a muppet. Its the system!'
 

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