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[Gronk]

For the people that do want to know what they(global elite) have planed for us down the road, here are some exerts of an interview for you to ponder. The whole interview is mind blowing and shows how much they just don't get(or do they) what all this will eventually and definitely lead to. In the interview these modifications will be optional, but we know that they won't stay that way for too long once they're up and running. Their excuse for everything they do will be in the name of climate change and or another possible pandemic. Which if you believe you deserve what you get.

How Engineering the Human Body Could Combat Climate Change

From drugs to help you avoid eating meat to genetically engineered cat-like eyes to reduce the need for lighting, a wild interview about changes humans could make to themselves to battle climate change.

www.theatlantic.com

What are the various ways humans could be engineered to be smaller?

Liao: There are a couple of ways, actually. You might try to do it through a technique called preimplantation genetic diagnosis, which is already used in IVF settings in fertility clinics today. In this scenario you'd be looking to select which embryos to implant based on height.

Another way to affect height is to use a hormone treatment to trigger the closing of the epiphyseal plate earlier than normal---this sometimes happens by accident in vitamin overdose cases. In fact hormone treatments are already used for height reduction in overly tall children. A final way you could do this is by way of gene imprinting, by influencing the competition between maternal and paternal genes, where there is a height disparity between the mother and father. You could have drugs that reduce or increase the expression of paternal or maternal genes in order to affect birth height.

Isn't it ethically problematic to allow parents to make these kinds of irreversible choices for their children?

Liao: That's a really good question. First, I think it's useful to distinguish between selection and modification. With selection you don't really have the issue of irreversible choices because the embryo selected can't complain that she could have been otherwise---if the parents had selected a different embryo, she wouldn't have existed at all. In the case of modification, that issue could certainly arise, but even then I think it's important to step back and ask why we are looking at these solutions in the first place. The reason we are even considering these solutions is to prevent climate change, which is a really serious problem, and which might affect the well being of millions of people including the child. And so in that context, if on balance human engineering is going to promote the well being of that particular child, then you might be able to justify the solution to the child.

Yeah but Matty Liao has a history of "out there" opinions. You get that when you are a bioethicist by trade with a Doctorate in Philosophy . He does Ted Talks that freak merkins out often.

Why are you selling it as "what the global elite are planning" ?

 

[Bandwagon]

Yeah but Matty Liao has a history of "out there" opinions. You get that when you are a bioethicist by trade with a Doctorate in Philosophy . He does Ted Talks that freak merkins out often.

Why are you selling it as "what the global elite are planning" ?

Because that's the thing, every idea that sounds bad is part of some wider conspiracy by "them".

It's self fulfilling in as much as that every idea is presented as further proof of this grand conspiracy, which is exactly how Rammy is arguing his case here.

 

[TheRam]

So throwing lines like Marxism around, seems to be commonplace these days by anyone on the right who wants to label the politics of the left.

Both you and I know that nobody with a brain wants true socialism like Bolivia or Venezuela attempted. What you guys squirm about is the democratic socialism model if the nordic countries. Countries like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Finland are often cited as examples of social democracy, which is a blend of capitalist and socialist principles. They have extensive social welfare systems and strong worker protections. They are the cool kids.

So you can slur all you like with your labels, but know this merkin, I’m prolly closer to Richard than Karl Marx (only less cool I suspect).

I worry about you dude, you seem to be living on the edge of your seat, waiting for the end.

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I have told you many times that I am not left or right(conservative). I hate both equally. They are both the same thing to me. They both end up being Authoritarian and ultimately a killing machine system of governance. I pick on the lefties now more then the conservatives because they have taken over almost everything and the conservatives are virtually non existent. If the conservatives ever do bounce back, which I don't think they ever will, America is heading in the direction of a one party system, then I would attack them as zealously as I attack the left.

The best we can hope for in my opinion is a democracy that is either slightly to the left or slightly to the right depending on the topic or issue and a mixed economic system where Government owns all the utilities, like water, gas, electricity, trains and doesn't have the mind set that they must necessarily all make a profit. There are some things a good and strong government controls and runs for the greater good of its citizens, especially a country like Australia where smaller towns in more remote and isolated regions will always need Government to fill the slack and subsides them to keep those communities healthy. Reinstitute a National Bank that issues our currency, a government State and even national Insurance Co and nationalise the mining industry so we, all Australian can actually benefit from and enjoy the majority of the wealth that is currently being siphoned out and eaten by all the international jackals that we have allowed to eat our lunch.

So do I sound like a right wing conservative to you?

Don't worry about me mate, I may sound like I'm on the edge but I'm not. Just passionate as I am about our footy team. No point in being milquetoast about anything is there?

 

[Gronk]

I have told you many times that I am not left or right(conservative). I hate both equally. They are both the same thing to me. They both end up being Authoritarian and ultimately a killing machine system of governance. I pick on the lefties now more then the conservatives because they have taken over almost everything and the conservatives are virtually non existent. If the conservatives ever do bounce back, which I don't think they ever will, America is heading in the direction of a one party system, then I would attack them as zealously as I attack the left.

The best we can hope for in my opinion is a democracy that is either slightly to the left or slightly to the right depending on the topic or issue and a mixed economic system where Government owns all the utilities, like water, gas, electricity, trains and doesn't have the mind set that they must necessarily all make a profit. There are some things a good and strong government controls and runs for the greater good of its citizens, especially a country like Australia where smaller towns in more remote and isolated regions will always need Government to fill the slack and subsides them to keep those communities healthy. Reinstitute a National Bank that issues our currency, a government State and even national Insurance Co and nationalise the mining industry so we, all Australian can actually benefit from and enjoy the majority of the wealth that is currently being siphoned out and eaten by all the international jackals that we have allowed to eat our lunch.

So do I sound like a right wing conservative to you?

Don't worry about me mate, I may sound like I'm on the edge but I'm not. Just passionate as I am about our footy team. No point in being milquetoast about anything is there?

Ok good, we have lifted the veil somewhat.

Global economics aside (and I am not disputing the corporate power and influence) there is a good venn diagram that describes US politics these days, which kinda agrees with your premise that both sides have somewhat merged.

Here you go below. The rest is puffery. Rumours and innuendo designed to sway the masses. Marjorie Green saying a vote for Democrats is a vote for pedos etc trying to broaden the gap. Trump claiming that he's draining the swamp, whilst cashing in on the swamp.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

For the people that do want to know what they(global elite) have planed for us down the road, here are some exerts of an interview for you to ponder. The whole interview is mind blowing and shows how much they just don't get(or do they) what all this will eventually and definitely lead to. In the interview these modifications will be optional, but we know that they won't stay that way for too long once they're up and running. Their excuse for everything they do will be in the name of climate change and or another possible pandemic. Which if you believe you deserve what you get.

How Engineering the Human Body Could Combat Climate Change

From drugs to help you avoid eating meat to genetically engineered cat-like eyes to reduce the need for lighting, a wild interview about changes humans could make to themselves to battle climate change.

www.theatlantic.com

What are the various ways humans could be engineered to be smaller?

Liao: There are a couple of ways, actually. You might try to do it through a technique called preimplantation genetic diagnosis, which is already used in IVF settings in fertility clinics today. In this scenario you'd be looking to select which embryos to implant based on height.

Another way to affect height is to use a hormone treatment to trigger the closing of the epiphyseal plate earlier than normal---this sometimes happens by accident in vitamin overdose cases. In fact hormone treatments are already used for height reduction in overly tall children. A final way you could do this is by way of gene imprinting, by influencing the competition between maternal and paternal genes, where there is a height disparity between the mother and father. You could have drugs that reduce or increase the expression of paternal or maternal genes in order to affect birth height.

Isn't it ethically problematic to allow parents to make these kinds of irreversible choices for their children?

Liao: That's a really good question. First, I think it's useful to distinguish between selection and modification. With selection you don't really have the issue of irreversible choices because the embryo selected can't complain that she could have been otherwise---if the parents had selected a different embryo, she wouldn't have existed at all. In the case of modification, that issue could certainly arise, but even then I think it's important to step back and ask why we are looking at these solutions in the first place. The reason we are even considering these solutions is to prevent climate change, which is a really serious problem, and which might affect the well being of millions of people including the child. And so in that context, if on balance human engineering is going to promote the well being of that particular child, then you might be able to justify the solution to the child.

See this is why I believe that aliens are actually time travelling humans from the future.

 

[TheRam]

That's the whole point mate, they (c40) have run the idea up the flagpole, not the "ban" as claimed, but the effect. It's right there in their document, they aren't hiding that.

And then what your article does there is extrapolate that into these 14 cities aim to impose a ban.

IE - C40 models target - ergo C40 adopts this target - these cities are part of C40 - ergo they adopt this target - oh by the way they're gonna do it by banning shit even though the 130 odd page document we linked to as "proof" of all this, despite the document not saying anything of the sort.

So here you show in asking that question how ready and willing you are to buy into the lie, because you quite obviously believe that in "running an Idea up the flagpole" that translates to them aiming to achieve that idea through force of law.

All you dumb f**ks are the same, you seize on tidbits, regardless of context, completely ignore any evidence that refutes your suppositions, then extrapolate that out to fit into your grand theories of evil doing.

Then when challenged you bury your head in the sand and rave on about how every merkin that challenges your f**kwittery needs to wake up to your so called truths.

Yet again though, when challenged specifically on a claim, rather than provide evidence to back up that claim, you throw in a whole heap of other claims to attempt to deflect from the fact that you have no evidence to support that which is challenged. Just as you have done above.

Hundreds of words in reply, yet not one fact presented to support the claim I've pulled you up on. It's quite telling mate.

Mate your pathetic attempt of forensic analysis is just plain stupid and misrepresenting my position completely.

My position is that they(global elite) you know the people that run around telling everyone that we are heading for global governance, something by the way that not one person anywhere in the whole world was asked to vote on. You know, we call that democracy in Australia. But anyway, are always setting up institutions or think tanks that advocate all their agenda 30 climate change policies. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of them run by various groups or wealthy individuals. And what all these groups have in common is to write and talk about strategies that push their common goal in the 'right' and same direction.

Banning meat consumption is very high on their agenda. Have you heard of Alpha-gal syndrome? Maybe you should and see what people are saying about it. Hint it is a west Texan tick-borne illness. Anyway, so when another think tank like C40 states that these are it's goals, sure they at this early stage haven't and won't come out and state categorically that they intend to push for the banning of all meat. But as they say it is their much desired goal.

But as time moves on and more and more they and all the other think tanks, institutions, media propaganda sell the idea and that with climate change we are so perilously close to Armageddon, they will sound more and more reasonable. They will have slowly gotten the population used to the idea and they will have also added so many new protein products like insects and faux meat onto our supermarket shelves for your convenience by then that the kiddies will be looking at mum and dad as arseholes and shaming them into compliance. Then it won't be all that long after that many cities, States or even countries decide to ban meat or at least restrict it to the point that it is an item that you can only afford once a year on your allocated credit score.

Now you may say again I am deflecting or dancing around the fact that the head line categorically stated that meat will be banned by 14 cities. Sure you can take that stance if you like, but you would be a fool to think that just because they are not stating it at this stage that that is not their and every other similar think tanks goal.

I feel like I am talking to children that have been indoctrinated under Chairman Mao's Cultural Revolution in China. It's not that freaking hard people. Remember these guys?

 

[TheRam]

Because that's the thing, every idea that sounds bad is part of some wider conspiracy by "them".

It's self fulfilling in as much as that every idea is presented as further proof of this grand conspiracy, which is exactly how Rammy is arguing his case here.

Oh my God!

 

[bazza]

My position is that they(global elite) you know the people that run around telling everyone that we are heading for global governance, something by the way that not one person anywhere in the whole world was asked to vote on. You know, we call that democracy in Australia. But anyway, are always setting up institutions or think tanks that advocate all their agenda 30 climate change policies. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of them run by various groups or wealthy individuals. And what all these groups have in common is to write and talk about strategies that push their common goal in the 'right' and same direction.

Do you just ignore the think tanks set up by rich individuals that advocate for the exact opposite?

 

[Twizzle]

Mate your pathetic attempt of forensic analysis is just plain stupid and misrepresenting my position completely.

I feel like I am talking to children that have been indoctrinated under Chairman Mao's Cultural Revolution in China.

mate, why all the put downs ? there are better ways to debate

play the ball, not the man

 

[TheRam]

Yeah but Matty Liao has a history of "out there" opinions. You get that when you are a bioethicist by trade with a Doctorate in Philosophy . He does Ted Talks that freak merkins out often.

Why are you selling it as "what the global elite are planning" ?

Because merkin!

Do I have to say anything more than "You will own nothing and be happy"?

Seriously, what type of future do you think we will be living in if that comes to pass and what other seriously evil and damaging whacky ideas will have or will be passed if that lunatic notion ever happened?

 

[TheRam]

Do you just ignore the think tanks set up by rich individuals that advocate for the exact opposite?

Ignore isn't the word. I would say more lament then ignore because they never seem to get traction much at all. We are going in a certain direction right? Our freedoms and liberties are being constantly eroded and slowly internationalized under the Globalist umbrella. So you tell me which side do you think is winning and therefore should I be paying more attention too?

 

[hineyrulz]

See this is why I believe that aliens are actually time travelling humans from the future.

Can we ask them how long we have to put up with Bea for??

 

[TheRam]

mate, why all the put downs ? there are better ways to debate

play the ball, not the man

Sorry but I find this very frustrating and tedious that I have to actually defend my position that the global elites themselves are telling anyone who cares to listen that they are going to f**k us up. All of us.

You will own nothing ffs and be happy. Build back better = Austerity and the great reset is neo-feudalism. They describe their plans all the time and I have yet to here any of them describe a world any of us would care to be part of or live in. The future that they keep telling us all about and describing is a nightmare.

Anyone here think it isn't and if so why?

 

[bazza]

Ignore isn't the word. I would say more lament then ignore because they never seem to get traction much at all. We are going in a certain direction right? Our freedoms and liberties are being constantly eroded and slowly internationalized under the Globalist umbrella. So you tell me which side do you think is winning and therefore should I be paying more attention too?

The IPA and their associated mouthpieces in the media seem to have plenty of voice in Australia

 

[TheRam]

The IPA and their associated mouthpieces in the media seem to have plenty of voice in Australia

But which side do you think is winning? The authoritarians or the leave us alone, freedom democracy loving people?

 

[bazza]

But which side do you think is winning? The authoritarians or the leave us alone, freedom democracy loving people?

In Australia the authoritarians aligned with the IPA/news/gina have a far bigger say than they are entitled to

 

[Gronk]

So it's the 14th October, 2023




It might surprise you, but my old sparring partner on twitter (he has since retired) from SlyNews AfterDark is actually firmly on the YES side and is actively calling out merkins like Peta Credlin, Alan Jones etc

As much as he would also want a "win"against Albo, he obviously thinks that this is far more important to play politics with. Onya Chris. I take back most of what I said about you.

 

[Twizzle]

Sorry but I find this very frustrating and tedious that I have to actually defend my position that the global elites themselves are telling anyone who cares to listen that they are going to f**k us up. All of us.

Did you really think that after you posted what you did that everyone was going to blindly believe you without question ?

You do love a conspiracy theory.

If you don't want to defend your position, then don't post it.

 

[TheRam]

In Australia the authoritarians aligned with the IPA/news/gina have a far bigger say than they are entitled to

You've lost it.

 

[TheRam]

Did you really think that after you posted what you did that everyone was going to blindly believe you without question ?

You do love a conspiracy theory.

If you don't want to defend your position, then don't post it.

No I expected exactly what I got, which is very sad for our country and the world overall. I wonder how authoritarian rulers and or governments ever take power? Do you think that the general population never saw or believed it was possible, I wonder?

I mean Hell, these sneaky leaders or governments must have one day just snuck in at the dead of night and seized power while everyone was sleeping. Maybe we should all sleep with one eye open just in case.