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[TheRam]

I'm not sure European leaders would be particularly thrilled to submit to Russian aggression and tell Biden to f**k off.
Geez, sometimes you are dumber than I thought you were.
If you don't want WW3, Putin needs to be put back into his box. And quickly.

Yeah sure mate. I think you need to go learn a little from outside the msm on what has actually been happening in the Ukraine in relation to Russia. I think you may realise it isn't as clear cut as you have been led to believe.

State affairs never are. When we are being told one thing you can almost guarantee that it is another. I'm not saying I know everything there is to know about this conflict, far from it. But I think I know enough to know that the official narrative is absolute garbage.

The problem though is the people, the citizens of both these countries are the ones who are paying with their lives and fortunes(properties) while the fat cats make off like bandits again.

 

[strider]

agree with Ram .... the war in ukraine didn't start 18 months ago - it started about 10 years ago .... go read MSM articles prior to 2019 about how concerned the west was about growing neo-nazi militia in the ukraine army, how it was the most corrupt country in europe, etc etc - and then now the total flip .... it is a split country with the eastern part largely russian - who were being terrorised/killed for years, but no one cared - go read about the minsk protocol and find out who broke it and that european leaders have openly admitted it was a stalling tactic to allow the ukraine army to build

and agree the USA are the trouble makers of the world ..... they admit to causing coups in other countries to suit their agendas - they have around 1000 military bases scattered all over the world, but they would go ballistic if china or russia tried to set something up near them (same as Aust about china getting into pacific islands) .... the yanks whinge endlessly about foreign influence hurting their democracy - yet they meddle in literally everything ..... Africa is gonna blow up - cos the yanks/west want their precious metals for the new battery powered world

not sure I share the Trump views lol - but agree he did things to help americans - cos his self serving side shows through - consider that a good or bad thing, but I think alot of countries would like their leaders to look out for them

 

[Gary Gutful]

And yet he ran America better than any President in our life time and also had the best foreign policy and no wars since forever. And until covid, records in almost everything that points to a great economy and well run America contrary to all the howling at the sky mob. All while being attacked by the jackals in the msm and both sides of the aisle who kept coming at him with a litany of false claims and shenanigans. Not to mention the hidden deep State and bureaucracy with their constant attempts of sabotage.

Oh and don't bother to ask for any proof of all this, because it was everywhere to be seen at the time and if you claim to not have noticed then you are being totally disingenuous.

Riddle me this?

Would the Ukraine/Russian war have happened under his watch in your opinion and if he were made President again do you think he would end it virtually immediately?

I noticed and am familiar with the position that you and others take on this. I just don't happen to share the same view. My view is a much more informed one as well because I haven't actively dismissed one side of the debate entirely.

You've gone down a rabbit hole and lost any sense of perspective. There's no point discussing it with you. You've made up your mind and more power to you.

 

[TheRam]

Not in this place he doesn't, Hindy got blasted for saying he is pretty much blown. Anyone with half a brain can see he absolutely sozzled.

Nek Minnett articles are posted of how Blown Mitch McConnell is. That bloke is gone and needs to be put to pasture but then we get what a great guy Biden is for not attacking him, Seriously?? They are both clapped out and belong in a padded cell.

Prison

The guy has a rap sheet longer then a list of gifs Gronk has posted on this forum.

 

[Gary Gutful]

agree with Ram .... the war in ukraine didn't start 18 months ago - it started about 10 years ago .... go read MSM articles prior to 2019 about how concerned the west was about growing neo-nazi militia in the ukraine army, how it was the most corrupt country in europe, etc etc - and then now the total flip .... it is a split country with the eastern part largely russian - who were being terrorised/killed for years, but no one cared - go read about the minsk protocol and find out who broke it and that european leaders have openly admitted it was a stalling tactic to allow the ukraine army to build

and agree the USA are the trouble makers of the world ..... they admit to causing coups in other countries to suit their agendas - they have around 1000 military bases scattered all over the world, but they would go ballistic if china or russia tried to set something up near them (same as Aust about china getting into pacific islands) .... the yanks whinge endlessly about foreign influence hurting their democracy - yet they meddle in literally everything ..... Africa is gonna blow up - cos the yanks/west want their precious metals for the new battery powered world

not sure I share the Trump views lol - but agree he did things to help americans - cos his self serving side shows through - consider that a good or bad thing, but I think alot of countries would like their leaders to look out for them

This. Except for the Trump thing. He wasn't looking out for all Amercans. Just the ones he thought would vote for him.

 

[TheRam]

He didn't get "blasted", he was disagreed with, and to an extent agreed with, at least from my end.

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Stephen Hawking called and suggested that you stick to your day job. The thing is Biden is 81 soon. It's actually normal to be slowing down a shade by then. I assume Hawkins has some sort of medical condition from long ago

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Jeez you guys are so freakin dumb! My God rock dumb.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Jeez you guys are so freakin dumb! My God rock dumb.

What do you do for a living mate?

 

[strider]

This. Except for the Trump thing. He wasn't looking out for all Amercans. Just the ones he thought would vote for him.

so he is literally the same as every other politician in the world

lots of americans agreed - he polled well - even in the election he lost which had an enormous concerted effort to bring him down

 

[Gary Gutful]

so he is literally the same as every other politician in the world

lots of americans agreed - he polled well - even in the election he lost

Yep. He talked about draining the swamp and people believed him. He couldn't though because he was a part of the corrupt system just like everyone else.

 

[Bandwagon]

This war happened because the west(America) went back on their word back in 2014 that they would not make the Ukraine a member of NATO and therefore no missiles. Since then it was always brewing and Trump's presidency stopped it from happening back then.

Russian propaganda mate, the Russians annexed Crimea, but but but NATO. This is all about Putin and Russian Imperialism.

Mate none of it is real. They are trumped up charges that they hope will hobble him enough to throttle him campaigning and raising campaign donations. Look at some to the court dates that are strategically set at crucial times of the primaries and such.

Okey dokey.

Oh they will find him guilty alright, especially the judge in DC, and it won't surprise me if the American people are casting their votes for president while he is in prison. And by some miracle if he still wins he will pardon himself and take office.

He won't go to prison, that's not how it works for the elite, and whilst it's true if elected he can pardon himself of federal crimes, he can't pardon himself for state crimes, only the governor of the relevant state can do that.

I suppose you were one of the nongs that believed piss gate files too right? Go on be honest.

I thought the being pissed on by a prostitute thing was funny as f**k, though very unlikely to be true.

The aggressor in my eyes is the one that is aligning with my enemies to setup bases with weapon that are capable of devastating my cities.

Their is no evidence that was gonna happen, Ukraine to this day remains a signatory to the non proliferation treaty, if they wanted nukes on their soil, they wouldn't have given them up when the Soviet Union fell apart. This is just more bullshit Russian propaganda.

However Russia's aggression is there for all to see, the f**king invaded mate, it's pretty simple.

 

[Bandwagon]

there is zero evidence of that

Well Trump said it himself, so it must be true.

 

[strider]

Yep. He talked about draining the swamp and people believed him. He couldn't though because he was a part of the corrupt system just like everyone else.

I think he is dodgy ..... but he is in a different swamp to most the others, hence they are so desperate to do anything to stop him getting any power again ..... both sides of politics in the USA are bought. Their system revolves around getting shit tonnes of money from the rich - and the rich want their pound of flesh back ..... the USA is basically the biggest money laundering operation in. the world ..... take public money, pour it into war/finance/whatever, get your share back via donations, repeat

 

[Bandwagon]

Jeez you guys are so freakin dumb! My God rock dumb.

Okey dokey.

 

[TheRam]

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Economists agree that we needed massive deficit spending during the COVID-19 crisis to ward off an economic cataclysm, but federal finances under Trump had become dire even before the pandemic. That happened even though the economy was booming and unemployment was at historically low levels. By the Trump administration’s own description, the pre-pandemic national debt level was already a “crisis” and a “grave threat.”


The combination of Trump’s 2017 tax cut and the lack of any serious spending restraint helped both the deficit and the debt soar. So when the once-in-a-lifetime viral disaster slammed our country and we threw more than $3 trillion into COVID-19-related stimulus, there was no longer any margin for error.

Our national debt has reached immense levels relative to our economy, nearly as high as it was at the end of World War II. But unlike 75 years ago, the massive financial overhang from Medicare and Social Security will make it dramatically more difficult to dig ourselves out of the debt ditch.

Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years

The “King of Debt” promised to reduce the national debt — then his tax cuts made it surge. Add in the pandemic, and he oversaw the third-biggest deficit increase of any president.

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Trump’s tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working class for first time

Economists calculate richest 400 families in US paid an average tax rate of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24.2%

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Mate listen carefully. I know you don't actually know anything about economics other then what the MSM has been telling you, but no one, I repeat no one will ever successfully reduce the American National debt in any meaningful way. It is impossible. To do so would see the collapse of the nation. I won't go into it here because I would have to write a novella and I couldn't be bothered. Suffice to say that they will all suggest or promise that is a goal, but no one can actually or even should try to do it unless they reform the very foundation of the economic system from the ground up.

The best we can hope from any president for now until the collapse happens is that most new debt they make goes to infrastructure and the people that need it. Of course that won't happen anywhere near enough no matter who is in office.

P.S.
Yes I know you will cite Clinton as a president that reduced the debt, but he totally lied(you know the guy that said I did not have sexual relations with that woman) and fudged the numbers as they all try to do. And please I know you can post endless articles and graphs proving that he did, but I can also post too you know. So lets not bother escalating something that is irrelevant to the big picture anyway and that is the $30T+ debt is here to stay and will only keep growing until the collapse happens. Of that I think most people will agree.

 

[TheRam]

agree with Ram .... the war in ukraine didn't start 18 months ago - it started about 10 years ago .... go read MSM articles prior to 2019 about how concerned the west was about growing neo-nazi militia in the ukraine army, how it was the most corrupt country in europe, etc etc - and then now the total flip .... it is a split country with the eastern part largely russian - who were being terrorised/killed for years, but no one cared - go read about the minsk protocol and find out who broke it and that european leaders have openly admitted it was a stalling tactic to allow the ukraine army to build

and agree the USA are the trouble makers of the world ..... they admit to causing coups in other countries to suit their agendas - they have around 1000 military bases scattered all over the world, but they would go ballistic if china or russia tried to set something up near them (same as Aust about china getting into pacific islands) .... the yanks whinge endlessly about foreign influence hurting their democracy - yet they meddle in literally everything ..... Africa is gonna blow up - cos the yanks/west want their precious metals for the new battery powered world

not sure I share the Trump views lol - but agree he did things to help americans - cos his self serving side shows through - consider that a good or bad thing, but I think alot of countries would like their leaders to look out for them

Agreed totally mate.

But how come you get a thumbs up from that clown @Gary Gutful on this topic and all I get is bagging's and slagging's?

That's not fair mate. What's going on, have you two got your own Bones On Bones secret society club? Maybe your own sub chapter called Kolbasa On Kolbasa. I'm on to you boys and I want in!

 

[TheRam]

This. Except for the Trump thing. He wasn't looking out for all Amercans. Just the ones he thought would vote for him.

Jeez and you say I have gone down a rabbit hole and lost any sense of perspective.

No mirrors at your place I suspect?

 

[Gronk]

Mate listen carefully. I know you don't actually know anything about economics other then what the MSM has been telling you

Ok with big dick statements.like this, you really need to back this up with some cred. What financial qualifications do you have to be bouncing people around ? Economics degree BCom ? Political science ? I'm expecting to be wowed here.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Jeez and you say I have gone down a rabbit hole and lost any sense of perspective.

No mirrors at your place I suspect?

Plenty on the ceilings.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Ok with big dick statements.like this, you really need to back this up with some cred. What financial qualifications do you have to be bouncing people around ? Economics degree BCom ? Political science ? I'm expecting to be wowed here.

Bachelor of Bean Pulling

 

[TheRam]

Ok with big dick statements.like this, you really need to back this up with some cred. What financial qualifications do you have to be bouncing people around ? Economics degree BCom ? Political science ? I'm expecting to be wowed here.