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[the phantom menace]

Ignorance is bliss when it comes to the truth.
Tumbleweeds.

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Feel free to post quotes where anyone has said that.

*tumbleweeds* #dishonesty

Thought so...

 

[Suitman]

Continue to ignore/deny her corrupt behavior. Or admit it.

 

[the phantom menace]

Continue to stick to your claim someone said "Labor are perfect" (or similar) without proof... or own your biased #dishonesty.

 

[the phantom menace]

Continue to ignore/deny her corrupt behavior. Or admit it.

I'll await the ICAC verdict thanks... like many did with Gladys.

Wait, what... no-one's even referred this non-news to ICAC?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Well I dont call all the f**kwits, f**kwits ... im very tactful

Wait…did you just call me a f**kwit?

 

[Gary Gutful]

I'll await the ICAC verdict thanks... like many did with Gladys.

Wait, what... no-one's even referred this non-news to ICAC?

It’s a debate between who is better - The Tigers or The Dogs.

 

[Bandwagon]

It’s a debate between who is better - The Tigers or The Dogs.

At this point it really is a bit meh, jobs for the boys is shit, but it's also pretty much an everyday occurrence.

Calls for her to resign are a tad over the top, if that was the standard parliament would be a turn-style.

 

[Gronk]

agree with Ram .... the war in ukraine didn't start 18 months ago - it started about 10 years ago .... go read MSM articles prior to 2019 about how concerned the west was about growing neo-nazi militia in the ukraine army, how it was the most corrupt country in europe, etc etc - and then now the total flip .... it is a split country with the eastern part largely russian - who were being terrorised/killed for years, but no one cared - go read about the minsk protocol and find out who broke it and that european leaders have openly admitted it was a stalling tactic to allow the ukraine army to build

and agree the USA are the trouble makers of the world ..... they admit to causing coups in other countries to suit their agendas - they have around 1000 military bases scattered all over the world, but they would go ballistic if china or russia tried to set something up near them (same as Aust about china getting into pacific islands) .... the yanks whinge endlessly about foreign influence hurting their democracy - yet they meddle in literally everything ..... Africa is gonna blow up - cos the yanks/west want their precious metals for the new battery powered world

A lot what you say seems to side with the Russian side (propaganda ?) and that may or may not be true.

I have found a detailed essay on the war, which includes a history going back to the break up of the union, the changing regimes in Ukraine and what the looming admission to NATO meant to Russia.

I have also found some sources about the claimed persecution of pro-russian citizens in the dombas and on the neo-nazi thing.

These are not definitive sources, they are a starting point to get to the bottom of it. If you feel inclined to share your sources that offer a counter argument, then great. I have some interest in this because TBH someone in my circle recently said to me that “Ukraine started the War with Russia” . I asked him how that happened and he responded that he didn’t know, it was just what he had heard. I find that fascinating.

Was it inevitable? A short history of Russia’s war on Ukraine | Keith Gessen

The long read: To understand the tragedy of this war, it is worth going back beyond the last few weeks and months, and even beyond Vladimir Putin, writes Keith Gessen

www.theguardian.com

Vladimir Putin repeats false claim of genocide in Ukraine

Russia has given several reasons for launching a war against Ukraine. In a televised address announcing the military ass

www.politifact.com

Opinion | Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

Not acknowledging this threat means that little is being done to guard against it.

www.nbcnews.com

Russian Militia Has Links to American Neo-Nazi and Anti-Trans Figures

The leader of the anti-Putin Russian Volunteer Corps is publicly connected to American neo-Nazis Robert Rundo and Christopher Pohlhaus.

theintercept.com

Is there any truth to Russia's 'Ukrainian Nazis' propaganda? – DW – 12/03/2022

Russian propagandists are constantly saying Ukraine is full of Nazis, and posting alleged evidence online. DW's fact-checking team has investigated some of this supposed evidence.

www.dw.com

Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem

As Ukraine's struggle against Russia and its proxies continues, Kiev must also contend with a growing problem behind the front lines: far-right vigilantes who are willing to use intimidation and even violence to advance their agendas, and who often do so with the tacit approval of law...

www.reuters.com

 

[Gary Gutful]

At this point it really is a bit meh, jobs for the boys is shit, but it's also pretty much an everyday occurrence.

Calls for her to resign are a tad over the top, if that was the standard parliament would be a turn-style.

Agreed. Just like Parra’s defence this year.

My experience in QLD is the same. Different shades of shit.

 

[the phantom menace]

At this point it really is a bit meh, jobs for the boys is shit, but it's also pretty much an everyday occurrence.

Calls for her to resign are a tad over the top, if that was the standard parliament would be a turn-style.

But but... Suity thinks it's a major big deal, and heads should roll!

 

[Suitman]

At this point it really is a bit meh, jobs for the boys is shit, but it's also pretty much an everyday occurrence.

So that makes it ok?

 

[TheRam]

Yeah, at it's core economics is pretty simple... if you have money and power/control, you'll be in a better position to continue to have money and power/control. Karl Marx taught everyone that.

But anyone that claims there's one right answer (or science) about details in economic theory beyond the above core truth, is just having a lend.

Who's that?

I didn't say there is only one right answer, but there are right answers and wrong answers depending on what you are actually trying to achieve.

Why don't you look up Irving Fisher and the Chicago Plan Revisited, presented by esteemed IMF/Bank of England German economist Michael Kumhof? I could try and explain how our money supply should work but I wouldn't do it justice compared to these blokes. Besides even if I did I would get a billion, hoping to getcha, hostile questions and criticism.

I mean wouldn't it be brilliant if you watch these lectures and as the penny dropped you realised that wow we can have a world of abundance and equality as much as equality is possible, and that it is all because of these arsehole globalists and bankers in particular that we don't.

Wouldn't it? Instead of us bagging each other here on this forum wouldn't it be awesome to know there are straight forward and simple solutions to the problems that these f**kers keep pretending are insurmountable and impossible to solve equitably?

In stead of being at each others throats just checkout his lectures and see what is doable. Some lectures are simpler to digest exactly how it works then others that he has done. You will also realize and hear him say when presenting the Chicago Plan Revisited lectures he up front states that he is doing these lectures independent of his role at the IMF at the time. He knows who his masters are. Or you can find the Irving Fisher papers and read them for yourself depending how well you can comprehend such things.

Also just some background, Irving Fisher and the other 3 economists who originally wrote the original economic papers back in the 30's while at Chicago University during the great depression. They decided to send a copy to all the economist in America at that time. In those days if memory serves me correctly there were only around 600 odd to see what their thoughts would be and if this would be a way forward to get America and the world out of the Great Depression and rapidly. Around 86% or somewhere around that number responded in the affirmative with most saying that it was the best plan they had ever see and that it should be made policy. The 14% who responded in the negative, guess who they were? ALL Rockefeller employed economists. Remember back then was the start of the Rockefeller infiltration and control of most of the major universities and in particular the funding of the economic and medical faculties. Guess who won the day?

Note: I am going off memory of around 30 years ago now on these percentage figures above, but they are very close if not spot on. So don't take me to task if they are slightly off. Cheers

P.S. Michael Kumhof's position at the IMF was the head of the department(I forget the actual title) that looks and assesses possible solutions on economic matters. And as he has said in interviews at the time he was blown away when his team came across this paper by Fisher and team, at its simplicity and genius and he started to independently spruik it ever since. Not that they(globalists) will ever give it to us as an option. They would rather go back to gold and silver backed money then ever give us the holy grail of economic solutions.

 

[Gary Gutful]

But but... Suity thinks it's a major big deal, and heads should roll!

You made a big deal about the other side being shit and now appear to be ignoring that your side is also shit.

Totally appropriate that Suity calls you on it.

 

[Suitman]

Calls for her to resign are a tad over the top, if that was the standard parliament would be a turn-style.

Well, it should be.
Why should we just sit back and accept this style of politics from either side of govt?
It is dishonest and corrupt. And we pay their f**king wages.
I just find it funny that there are double standard opinions here.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Who's that?

I didn't say there is only one right answer, but there are right answers and wrong answers depending on what you are actually trying to achieve.

Why don't you look up Irving Fisher and the Chicago Plan Revisited, presented by esteemed IMF/Bank of England German economist Michael Kumhof? I could try and explain how our money supply should work but I wouldn't do it justice compared to these blokes. Besides even if I did I would get a billion, hoping to getcha, hostile questions and criticism.

I mean wouldn't it be brilliant if you watch these lectures and as the penny dropped you realised that wow we can have a world of abundance and equality as much as equality is possible, and that it is all because of these arsehole globalists and bankers in particular that we don't.

Wouldn't it? Instead of us bagging each other here on this forum wouldn't it be awesome to know there are straight forward and simple solutions to the problems that these f**kers keep pretending are insurmountable and impossible to solve equitably?

In stead of being at each others throats just checkout his lectures and see what is doable. Some lectures are simpler to digest exactly how it works then others that he has done. You will also realize and hear him say when presenting the Chicago Plan Revisited lectures he up front states that he is doing these lectures independent of his role at the IMF at the time. He knows who his masters are. Or you can find the Irving Fisher papers and read them for yourself depending how well you can comprehend such things.

Also just some background, Irving Fisher and the other 3 economists who originally wrote the original economic papers back in the 30's while at Chicago University during the great depression. They decided to send a copy to all the economist in America at that time. In those days if memory serves me correctly there were only around 600 odd to see what their thoughts would be and if this would be a way forward to get America and the world out of the Great Depression and rapidly. Around 86% or somewhere around that number responded in the affirmative with most saying that it was the best plan they had ever see and that it should be made policy. The 14% who responded in the negative, guess who they were? ALL Rockefeller employed economists. Remember back then was the start of the Rockefeller infiltration and control of most of the major universities and in particular the funding of the economic and medical faculties. Guess who won the day?

Note: I am going off memory of around 30 years ago now on these percentage figures above, but they are very close if not spot on. So don't take me to task if they are slightly off. Cheers

P.S. Michael Kumhof's position at the IMF was the head of the department(I forget the actual title) that looks and assesses possible solutions on economic matters. And as he has said in interviews at the time he was blown away when his team came across this paper by Fisher and team, at its simplicity and genius and he started to independently spruik it ever since. Not that they(globalists) will ever give it to us as an option. They would rather go back to gold and silver backed money then ever give us the holy grail of economic solutions.

Irving Fisher blows goats. Hermaphrodite goats.

 

[the phantom menace]

You made a big deal about the other side being shit and now appear to be ignoring that your side is also shit.

Totally appropriate* that Suity calls you on it.

*obsessed

 

[TheRam]

Irving Fisher blows goats. Hermaphrodite goats.

I would have thought a man of his stature would be able to blow Donkeys at the very least and when on a major bender elephant trunks and dicks all in one magical moment of bliss.

 

[the phantom menace]

Well, it should be.
Why should we just sit back and accept this style of politics from either side of govt?
It is dishonest and corrupt. And we pay their f**king wages.

Off you go and protest about Jo Whosibob then, like you did when the other lot were in and doing stuff... oh, wait.

I just find it funny that there are double standard opinions here.

As I said above, I'll wait until ICAC confirm corruption thanks - and you also know this isn't even in the same ICAC threshold compared to what the other side got up to.

But of course, the standard of your opinion (to you) is untouchable...

 

[Gary Gutful]

*obsessed

Yeah. Has been banned at least twice for his ‘obsession’.

Play fairer and learn to focus issues and rather than individuals and you might avoid a 3rd banning.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I would have thought a man of his stature would be able to blow Donkeys at the very least and when on a major bender elephant trunks and dicks all in one magical moment of bliss.

Well I heard he suffered from lock jaw.