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Gary Gutful

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This is a tad unfair, there's a whole fear campaign out there telling folks all kinds of bad shit will happen, as there always is when it comes to change. Fear and anger are great motivators, and they're easy to propagate when there is such a lack of understanding around how this shit works.
Had to listen to some idiots yesterday talking about it within earshot. Seemed worried, but didn’t have a clue about any of it.
 

hindy111

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Had to listen to some idiots yesterday talking about it within earshot. Seemed worried, but didn’t have a clue about any of it.

Let's be honest. A lot of people who know little on the subject just think it's giving Aboriginals more and many think they have enough handouts already. This is what the average person would see it as.
Me. I haven't put any thought into it. Like most I have enough of my own shit to worry about atm. Not everyone can afford the luxury of free time to allocate valuable energy on things that do not directly effect them. Atleast in the short term
 

Bandwagon

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Fear and anger to promote things .... mmmmm, worked well in recent years .... the majority played along too

Yep, this is true. Though I'd add those who didn't "play along" by your reckoning most certainly did "play along" , and albeit to a different tune, fear and anger most definitely worked it's arse of there.
 

TheRam

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Right, so apart from yelling and being rude, you said nothing and offered zero plausible reasons to vote no.

There seems to be a lot of baseless crystal ball gazing and mark my words you'll be sorry statements with zero historical examples. Just throw away political tropes used by YouTubers and dodgy websites.

Peta Credlin's 26 page exposé on the Vote is hardly a throw away youtuber or dodgy anything.

But sure keep trying to discredit facts. You just re-enforce and confirm your deranged obsession in destroying our great country.

What is wrong with you people? What has Australia ever done to you to hate her so much? This is so sad really.
 

Gronk

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Peta Credlin's 26 page exposé
Research dude.




But sure keep trying to discredit facts. You just re-enforce and confirm your deranged obsession in destroying our great country.
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TheRam

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Calm down.

"Our country"?
What? The same country that we annexed 200 years ago that was occupied for how many thousands of years by the original inhabitants? Yep, sure, it's "our" country now, eh?

"Not give them more power to destroy our sovereignty"?
Wtf? Lol.

"We need to take our country back".
I cannot believe that people still think like this. Yet they do. It's quite sad tbh.

Vote how you will. But don't be afraid of losing sovereignty or any other right's you think deserve. There's alway's the Dutton's and Abbott's that will keep you safe.

What annexed?

Mate imagine that you came across a massive valley surrounded by a sea of desert. This valley was filled with wildlife, vegetation and water so plentiful that 50 thousand people could easily live there and with a little care and effort you may even be able to green some of the desert too expanding the ceiling of occupants even further. The only problem is there was a family of 100 people already living and roaming around that valley who had an imaginary fence right around the whole valley and even though that said they didn't own it as such, it was all their sacred land. What would you do? A. stay and settle anyway or B. leave and never return?


Or lets imagine that you and your family sailed across the sea and came to a new found land that was so large and fertile in parts that 50m people could with the right practices and technologies be supported easily over time. But at the time you arrived there was only around 1m inhabitants and they weren't all that good at sustaining the land or the wild fauna that were there and many had become extinct By your standards they seemed primitive and didn't have much of their own like the civilisations back home. But this group of people had an imaginary line claiming all of this new land as sacred and not owned by them but theirs nonetheless.

What would you do? A. stay and settle anyway or B. leave and never return?

Murray Rothbard the famous libertarian proposed a very similar scenario. Guess what his answer was. Just because a family or group of people arrive first then claim all the land as theirs directly or indirectly, doesn't make it theirs. Otherwise man and civilisation would never have gotten far in the first place. Because we all know what man is like and the first settlers or owners of anything valuable would have been monopolized and the rest of us would never get the opportunity to own anything.

He obviously didn't advocate killing or to subjugate people, but he recognized that a small group of people can't and couldn't hold on to nor should they, a vast resource of land that they didn't have the means or people to do so. That isn't fair to the rest of the people that came after them in a very similar way as the original wave who found it in the first place.

Also lets not live in a delusional world with rose coloured glasses. Anyone who thinks that in over 100 thousand years of Aboriginal migration and occupation that no aboriginal family or tribe(mob) killed or wiped out another aboriginal family or tribe(mob) then they are living in their own dreamtime. Right up to the time of white settlement the 400 odd different aboriginal tribes(mobs), many of them were constantly at war with each other and lets not ignore the superstitions and feuds over centuries that played a major role in all that too.

Bottom line is there was no way that Australia was ever going to stay as it was. White settlement, by no means perfect has ultimately enhanced the lives of most Australians including aboriginals of course. Anyone that thinks that the law as it stands does not represent all Australians equally and fairly, has loony tunes glasses on.

This vote is only going to divide us as it already has. Then the the Aboriginal industrial machine will kick in and f**k us all over, including the average aboriginal, royally. This is insanity and should never be allowed.

Don't fret my man, there is always the Globalist to keep you safe. They aren't going anywhere, no matter what happens with this vote.
 
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TheRam

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I don't know if it's "most people" but in general I agree that many either don't know, or what they think they know is misinformed.

There are plenty of examples out there to back that up, and the no camp with their call "if you don't know, vote no" clearly believe that to be the case.


Where I'd disagree with you there is that I would think that people are more likely to vote yes if life is good, and no if they have issues. Obviously there will be exceptions, but I think it no coincidence that the yes vote has tanked in the polls as cost of living pressures have come more and more to the fore.

In general I think people are going to be more generous to others about such things if life's good, and less so when they themselves are struggling. That's my experience anyways.

How often do you sign a contract that you haven't read or understood? No one should vote to change anything unless they know exactly what and how things will change. Otherwise if you do, you are taking a mighty massive leap of faith and trust on politicians that have never earned that trust almost ever.

Jeez you lot are full of sh*t. You will say anything to hose it all down and placate the uninformed to feel comfortable slitting their own throats.
 

TheRam

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This is a tad unfair, there's a whole fear campaign out there telling folks all kinds of bad shit will happen, as there always is when it comes to change. Fear and anger are great motivators, and they're easy to propagate when there is such a lack of understanding around how this shit works.

Considering the YES campaign has all the money going to it and they still can't propagandise the people to their own will, it speaks volumes doesn't it?

The people might not be as stupid or uninformed as you want them to be.
 

TheRam

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Had to listen to some idiots yesterday talking about it within earshot. Seemed worried, but didn’t have a clue about any of it.

Yeah obviously if they weren't worried they wouldn't have been idiots and they would have been informed by your standards and reckoning.

But worrying about a referendum that has the potential to split best and safest multicultural country on earth to you is idiocy?

What an authoritarian wanker you are turning out to be.
 

TheRam

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Research dude.





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Yeah sure. Like they aren't a lying media? They call it fake news for a reason buddy. I suppose Biden's laptop doesn't exist too or the testimonies that your man Obama is gay, thus was compromised while in office?

There are endless examples that the media shill for the bad guys and guess what? You are one of the bad guys too.
 

Gronk

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Yeah sure. Like they aren't a lying media? They call it fake news for a reason buddy. I suppose Biden's laptop doesn't exist too or the testimonies that your man Obama is gay, thus was compromised while in office?

There are endless examples that the media shill for the bad guys and guess what? You are one of the bad guys too.
Dude even Chris Kenny from Sky news / The Australian who is THE most right wing Murdoch merkin says it’s bullshit.

Anyway, you do you.
 

Chipmunk

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What annexed?

Mate imagine that you came across a massive valley surrounded by a sea of desert. This valley was filled with wildlife, vegetation and water so plentiful that 50 thousand people could easily live there and with a little care and effort you may even be able to green some of the desert too expanding the ceiling of occupants even further. The only problem is there was a family of 100 people already living and roaming around that valley who had an imaginary fence right around the whole valley and even though that said they didn't own it as such, it was all their sacred land. What would you do? A. stay and settle anyway or B. leave and never return?


Or lets imagine that you and your family sailed across the sea and came to a new found land that was so large and fertile in parts that 50m people could with the right practices and technologies be supported easily over time. But at the time you arrived there was only around 1m inhabitants and they weren't all that good at sustaining the land or the wild fauna that were there and many had become extinct By your standards they seemed primitive and didn't have much of their own like the civilisations back home. But this group of people had an imaginary line claiming all of this new land as sacred and not owned by them but theirs nonetheless.

What would you do? A. stay and settle anyway., or B. leave and never return?

Murray Rothbard the famous libertarian proposed a very similar scenario. Guess what his answer was. Just because a family or group of people arrive first then claim all the land as theirs directly or indirectly, doesn't make it theirs. Otherwise man and civilisation would never have gotten far in the first place. Because we all know what man is like and the first settlers or owners of anything valuable would have been monopolized and the rest of us would never get the opportunity to own anything.

He obviously didn't advocate killing or to subjugate people, but he recognized that a small group of people can't and couldn't hold on to nor should they, a vast resource of land that they didn't have the means or people to do so. That isn't fair to the rest of the people that came after them in a very similar way and found it in the first place.

Also lets not live in a delusional world with rose coloured glasses. Anyone who thinks that in over 100m years of Aboriginal migration and occupation that no aboriginal family or tribe(mob) killed or wiped out another aboriginal family or tribe(mob) then they are living in their own dreamtime. Right up to the time of white settlement the 400 odd different aboriginal tribes(mobs), many of them were constantly at war with each other and lets not ignore the superstitions and feuds over centuries that played a major role in all that too.

Bottom line is there was no way that Australia was ever going to stay as it was. White settlement, by no means perfect has ultimately enhanced the lives of most Australians including aboriginals of course. Anyone that thinks that the law as it stands does not represent all Australians equally and fairly, has loony tunes glasses on.

This vote is only going to divide us as it already has. Then the the Aboriginal industrial machine will kick in and f**k us all over, including the average aboriginal, royally. This is insanity and should never be allowed.

Don't fret my man, there is always the Globalist to keep you safe. They aren't going anywhere, no matter what happens with this vote.
The ChatGPT summary for those interested.

The forum post by The Ram discusses two hypothetical scenarios to address the question of land ownership and the rights of early settlers. The first scenario involves finding a valley with abundant resources, but a family of 100 people claims it as sacred land. The second scenario describes a fertile land inhabited by 1 million people who consider it sacred but are not effectively utilizing its resources.

The post references Murray Rothbard, a famous libertarian, who argued against the idea that the first settlers or owners of valuable land should have exclusive rights to it. The post suggests that monopolizing resources isn't fair to subsequent generations who may also benefit from those resources.

Furthermore, the post mentions the historical reality that Aboriginal tribes in Australia were not always peaceful and often had conflicts and feuds among themselves, challenging the idea of a pristine, peaceful pre-European contact era.

The author believes that white settlement in Australia, while not perfect, ultimately improved the lives of most Australians, including Aboriginal people. They also argue that the current laws represent all Australians fairly.

In conclusion, the forum post expresses skepticism about a proposed vote on land ownership and suggests that it will lead to division and potential negative consequences, including exploitation by the "Aboriginal industrial machine." The post also mentions the presence of globalists as a factor in the broader context.
 

Chipmunk

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Dude even Chris Kenny from Sky news / The Australian who is THE most right wing Murdoch merkin says it’s bullshit.

Anyway, you do you.
There is no way Chris Kenny is THE most right wing Murdoch merkin, that is a large exageration of Chris Kenny's views compared to other Murdoch merkins.
 

Twizzle

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its a fairly even contest, not that I've ever watched them but they all pop up on Twitter
 

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