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bazza

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the main thing is that we are all now discussing how bad it is that a powerful man that was called a racist rather than any actual racism that may have occurred
 
Twizzle

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TheRam said:
So you are against eating well and healthy or for others to do so?

What sort of pathetic response it that?

Just a slight for the sake of it old man?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

And you constantly bag out the local media, but when someone shows you there is a better way, Hold on the old industrial way of poisoning the planet is the way to go.

Shame on you. Not funny!!!
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time for your medication,

nice rant though

Casper used to beleive in organic gardening, it works very well
 
Gronk

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eels_fan said:
Its a horrendously shit analogy actually

I've got thru 20 seconds and shes already made 3 ridiculously incorrect comparisons.

1. Lets say the government is all men. Its not. Nor is all the government white anglo-saxons. Irrelevant point.
2. Tasked with making laws specifically for woman. They're not. The government is tasked with making laws for the population as a whole - not on racial bounds. There should never be a law that is only applicable to one religion/creed or nationality. Irrelevant point
3. The woman of the country come forward and say "we want a say before you make these laws". Another irrelevant point - as not all indigenous people are asking for this, nor will they all get a voice or say if it is to occur.

To compare woman wanting a say in their own body autonomy with regards to abortion rights, is the same things the Voice - is ridiculous.

Anyway, next point:

4. The law doesnt impact or affect you, it only affects us. Bullshit. Anything that changes a constitution effects everyone that constitution serves - so currently the 27-odd million people in the country
5. As women we can offer expert advice on our bodies. Yes - because your body is, barring health related computations, biologically the same as 54% of the entire globe. So yes, a woman speaking about her body, is likely to have experiences reflected in the vast majority of other woman. But the Voice is about a body of people - representing over 300 "nations" of indigenous people. Their voice, doesn't and won't reflect all the of those people (we dont event know how many people it will encompass).
6. We're just asking to be able to talk. You can talk. You do talk. In many case you get to talk and be heard more than many other "minority" groups. Irrelevant.

Anyway, i'll stop there, but the point is - this is just an influencer trying to jump on a hot topic issue and give a highly emotive yet entirely inaccurate video trying to yet again create this false shame that if you dont vote yes you are not only racist apparently, but akin to someone who doesnt believe in womans rights.

Which is an absolute f**king joke
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Ok you seem overly offended.
 
the phantom menace

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eels_fan said:
Just someone who said they were voting no.

that doesn’t make you racist, or scum, or worthy of abusive vitriol by people who say they are voting yes for an inclusive country
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Bandwagon said:
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Seems like he's been called a racist before - even inside the Senate.

It’s ‘unparliamentary’ to call out racism, but not unparliamentary to be racist | Australian Greens

Today, Liberal Senator Alex Antic used his two minute statement to complain about the “threat” of critical race theory and “victimhood.” Senator Lidia Thorpe called these comments racist. Senator James McGrath called for Senator Thorpe to withdraw her comments.
greens.org.au greens.org.au
 
the phantom menace

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Yep, that concept was enough for me to not go ahead with what I'd previously thought was a nice idea of a southern cross tat, once I saw all the Cronulla riot merkins sporting theirs.
 
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eels_fan said:
I’m not offended at all.
Simply pointing out that the analogy she used was entirely flawed, and largely incomparable
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No it wasn’t. A woman being mansplained about her body is a perfect analogy for an ingenious person being told what is good for them by the people that colonised their land. The outrageous slippery slope arguments, the distractions and deceptions she used were pretty much on point to the NO campaign right now.

The Australian Indigenous Voice to Parliament is like women being told what to do with their bodies by men regarding their reproductive rights because both situations involve a group seeking autonomy and self-determination. Just as women should have the right to make decisions about their own bodies, Indigenous Australians should have the right to have a say in matters that directly affect their communities and cultural heritage without external interference. It's about respecting autonomy and ensuring that those most affected by decisions have a meaningful voice in the process.
 
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the phantom menace said:
So, how about that beaut NSW Labor infrastructure Budget handed down today?

If it was the LNP handing down this stuff, certain forum members would be in raptures... but it's pretty silent today?

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A quick rundown for those short on time:

+ $76.7 billion for public transport and infrastructure, including a predicted $50 billion cost blowout.

+ $11.9 billion for health infrastructure with 90% being spent on heroin injection centres.

+ $9.2 billion for hemorrhoid cushions for all state government owned chairs.

+ $2.9 billion for a Centre of Smug Excellence to meet the Government’s commitment to build smugger communities.
 
the phantom menace

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Is News Limited finally chasing the unstoppable momentum of the Yes campaign?



‘Make this man PM’: Education minister goes viral for his refreshing take on the Voice to Parliament​

One man has managed to cut through the noise in the Voice to Parliament campaign, with his “simple, heartfelt” speech going viral.
In all the noise about the Indigenous Voice to Parliament, it can be hard to find a fresh take that makes you listen; but it seems federal Education Minister Jason Clare has done just that.
Mr Clare has gone viral for a rousing speech that urged Australians to vote Yes in the referendum for “a fair go”.
The Labor frontbencher shared footage of the speech, delivered at a press conference on the Gold Coast to launch the Yes campaign on August 31, to his X/Twitter account with the caption: “let’s do this Australia”.
 
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It was 1967 and most of us were either unthought of or perhaps in dribbler nappies…

A referendum was held with the proposition:

Do you approve the proposed law for the alteration of the Constitution entitled – “An Act to alter the Constitution so as to omit certain words relating to the People of the Aboriginal Race in any State and so that Aboriginals are to be counted in reckoning the Population”?

The YES campaign sought for the indigenous population to be included in the census, or to be recognised as part of Australia’s population. The yes vote won by 90%. Love to have a beer with Duncan, who voted no…

From the below article..

What the vote was about is widely misunderstood, but its symbolism remains potent.

While the 1967 referendum eliminated a particular constitutional discrimination, the mooted one will reintroduce another. The most important effect of 1967 was giving the Commonwealth power over Indigenous affairs, but that wasn’t widely understood by voters and, as can be seen above, wasn’t mentioned in the wording.

insidestory.org.au

And the rest say “no” • Inside Story

There’s a pattern to the success of attempts to change the Australian constitution, writes Peter Brent, with lessons for advocates of Indigenous recognition
insidestory.org.au insidestory.org.au

So the way I see it, 56 years ago the slow wheels of progress got around to recognising our first nations people as Australians. Now in 2023 we seek to update the constitution to actually recognise them as the “first peoples of this nation” and to give them a say in affairs which concern them. What’s wrong with that ?
 
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