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[TheRam]

You seem to assume that you know more than others.

It didn't highlight anything I wasn't already aware of. I've seen Jeffrey's brother make these claims before. I seriously doubt there'd be many people on here that don't already understand the enormous power that Google has.

By the way you can't say this:


and then this:


Without sounding hypocritical.

We all know or at least should know that these companies like Google have a lot of power, Sort of like we all know that politician lie, but when you see how they do it is a totally different thing and may actually lead to positive action to rectifying it.

As for being hypocritical? I don't see it that way. All I am doing there is pointing out that there aren't many conservative or right wing people here arguing against this data but there are lefties everywhere poo pooing it, so that is why I point it out. If there were conservatives attacking his findings like the left do I would point it out also.

Bagging this guy is not the same as disproving what his data is exposing.

As for knowing more then others, maybe I do or maybe I don't. If my tone is getting in the way of the data then you are as weak as piss. Poor little Guts, doesn't like the brash meany Ram who is full of himself. It's so upsetting. I don't know if I can cope with that. It's so upsetting. He makes me want to cry. Boo Hoo!

Get over yourself you marsh mellow, soft co*k, douche canoe. You're one of the most self righteous arrogant wankers on this site, just like me and so many others. But you seem to think you are above it all and a voice of reason. Hahahaha....

 

[Gronk]

He is a liberal lefty too

Says the guy who is a regular on Breitbart. His angle seems to be “i have cred, cos I’m a liberal”

What a stupid and terribly weak rebuttal response and means absolutely nothing as far as disproving the findings presented.

Really ? I’m guessing you didn’t read the Slate article from 2019 which does a deep dive into his claims ? Of course you didn’t.

The man has solid data

From the Slate article

“Among academics, Epstein is a lonely voice on Google’s election-throwing powers. “When Dr. Epstein says the effects are ‘huge’ and ‘more powerful’ than anything he has ever seen, I respectfully suggest that he needs to read the political science literature before making that claim,” Katherine Haenschen, a communications professor at Virginia Tech University who studies internet targeting on voter turnout, told Mother Jones this week. “Large-scale digital mobilization has basically failed to deliver sizable effects in terms of persuasion or turnout.” Never mind the fact that in Epstein’s study, it’s not clear what search terms were used by his participants, or what the “biased” search results were. In his research, Epstein graded search engines for bias, determining that mainstream news outlets like the New York Times dominated over conservative sources like Breitbart in Google’s results.”

For the members of this forum that are open minded, please ignore the Gronks of this world and watch the video and make up your own minds. I'm sure if you do you will see there is so much data and merit to what is being said.

For those playing at home, Epstein is saying the the Google algorithm shadow bans dodgy information and this influences elections. Sure. Alex Jones spins that into “oh is that like subliminal messaging” like brainwashing? They are literally zombies walking into election booths ! No.

Ram you urge people to have open minds, fair enough. However let’s find a medium which is a little less kooky than Alex Jones, huh ?

As always with conspiracy theories, it starts with a kernel of truth and gets manipulated and exaggerated into a different beast. Epstein actually has merit in what he says in part.

Here he campaigns for the WWW data to be released into wiki commons or public domain so it remains unadulterated by private algorithms which can be swayed by profit or agenda. Great in principle. But how do you stop it becoming an unreliable cesspool of shit ? Also Alphabet is likely to say GGFd.

Anyway, if you want a google search without the bias, can’t you just use duckduckgo ?

User Clip: Dr. Robert Epstein testifies on google

Dr. Robert Epstein testifies on google

www.c-span.org

 

[Gary Gutful]

We all know or at least should know that these companies like Google have a lot of power, Sort of like we all know that politician lie, but when you see how they do it is a totally different thing and may actually lead to positive action to rectifying it.

As for being hypocritical? I don't see it that way. All I am doing there is pointing out that there aren't many conservative or right wing people here arguing against this data but there are lefties everywhere poo pooing it, so that is why I point it out. If there were conservatives attacking his findings like the left do I would point it out also.

Bagging this guy is not the same as disproving what his data is exposing.

As for knowing more then others, maybe I do or maybe I don't. If my tone is getting in the way of the data then you are as weak as piss. Poor little Guts, doesn't like the brash meany Ram who is full of himself. It's so upsetting. I don't know if I can cope with that. It's so upsetting. He makes me want to cry. Boo Hoo!

Get over yourself you marsh mellow, soft co*k, douche canoe. You're one of the most self righteous arrogant wankers on this site, just like me and so many others. But you seem to think you are above it all and a voice of reason. Hahahaha....

I wondered why you were wearing this T-Shirt at the last Bones on Bones meeting.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Says the guy who is a regular on Breitbart. His angle seems to be “i have cred, cos I’m a liberal”

Really ? I’m guessing you didn’t read the Slate article from 2019 which does a deep dive into his claims ? Of course you didn’t.



From the Slate article

“Among academics, Epstein is a lonely voice on Google’s election-throwing powers. “When Dr. Epstein says the effects are ‘huge’ and ‘more powerful’ than anything he has ever seen, I respectfully suggest that he needs to read the political science literature before making that claim,” Katherine Haenschen, a communications professor at Virginia Tech University who studies internet targeting on voter turnout, told Mother Jones this week. “Large-scale digital mobilization has basically failed to deliver sizable effects in terms of persuasion or turnout.” Never mind the fact that in Epstein’s study, it’s not clear what search terms were used by his participants, or what the “biased” search results were. In his research, Epstein graded search engines for bias, determining that mainstream news outlets like the New York Times dominated over conservative sources like Breitbart in Google’s results.”


For those playing at home, Epstein is saying the the Google algorithm shadow bans dodgy information and this influences elections. Sure. Alex Jones spins that into “oh is that like subliminal messaging” like brainwashing? They are literally zombies walking into election booths ! No.

Ram you urge people to have open minds, fair enough. However let’s find a medium which is a little less kooky than Alex Jones, huh ?

As always with conspiracy theories, it starts with a kernel of truth and gets manipulated and exaggerated into a different beast. Epstein actually has merit in what he says in part.

Here he campaigns for the WWW data to be released into wiki commons or public domain so it remains unadulterated by private algorithms which can be swayed by profit or agenda. Great in principle. But how do you stop it becoming an unreliable cesspool of shit ? Also Alphabet is likely to say GGFd.

Anyway, if you want a google search without the bias, can’t you just use duckduckgo ?

User Clip: Dr. Robert Epstein testifies on google

Dr. Robert Epstein testifies on google

www.c-span.org

There’s plenty of evidence to suggest that Epstein is pulling his bean but if it gets pointed out it will be seen as biased.

Either Epstein and Alex Jones are right or everyone else raising legitimate questions about the ‘data’ is wrong. The sheer weight of numbers and evidence is hard to ignore.

Google are definitely dodgy at times. But I think the Ram needs more solid, incontestable evidence to claim a big conspiracy against conservatives.

 

[strider]

So its widely believed russia influenced the 2016 election result via large scale pursuasion on social media .... but we dont think google might be doing the similar? ... is this simply good guys vs bad guys again?

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Israel under attack.

f**king Madness.

How can this kind of thing be justified?

Supporting Humus might be wokey, but this is pretty ordinary.

I’ve pretty much lost the “yes” campaign at work. The No voters are enjoying the karening on.

 

[Gronk]

There’s plenty of evidence to suggest that Epstein is pulling his bean but if it gets pointed out it will be seen as biased.

Either Epstein and Alex Jones are right or everyone else raising legitimate questions about the ‘data’ is wrong. The sheer weight of numbers and evidence is hard to ignore.

Google are definitely dodgy at times. But I think the Ram needs more solid, incontestable evidence to claim a big conspiracy against conservatives.

What the Slate article pointed out was that Epstein didn’t provide others with his data or the terms of howthe data was weighted.

Having said that it is obvious that Google vs Yahoo does yield different results because of their algorithms and mostly likely who pay$ what. No disagreement there.

This psychologist claims Google search results unfairly steer voters to the left. Conservatives love him

The idea that Google is subtly pushing masses of voters to the left has the ring of conspiracy, and thus the work of Robert Epstein is warmly embraced by conservative lawmakers — as well as a president — convinced big tech is plotting against them.

www.latimes.com

So its widely believed russia influenced the 2016 election result via large scale pursuasion on social media .... but we dont think google might be doing the similar? ... is this simply good guys vs bad guys again?

I think it’s been established that they attempted to sway things, but also accepted that it probably didn’t actually change the results.

Which is what most people are saying about his claims re: google. The dispute is not that their algorithm shadow bans Breitbart, it clearly does. It’s the claim that it’s a premeditated globalist big corporation plan to stop the republicans from getting elected.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Once the vote is lost, some people overseas will see Australia as some kind of apartheid state.

Our enemies will enjoy the moment.

I’ve decided it was well intended but not managed properly.

 

[Gronk]

Israel under attack.

f**king Madness.

How can this kind of thing be justified?

Are you asking Israel or Palestine ? Nobody is condoning acts of war, but there doesn’t seem to be a great deal of sympathy for Israel this morning. Of course they are outraged and claiming that missile strikes are so unfair.



Yet they antagonise on a daily basis.

Israel ramps up demolition of Palestinian homes in Jerusalem

Israel's drive to demolish Palestinian homes in east Jerusalem is picking up pace.

www.pbs.org

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Are you asking Israel or Palestine ? Nobody is condoning acts of war, but there doesn’t seem to be a great deal of sympathy for Israel this morning. Of course they are outraged and claiming that missile strikes are so unfair.

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Yet they antagonise on a daily basis.

Israel ramps up demolition of Palestinian homes in Jerusalem

Israel's drive to demolish Palestinian homes in east Jerusalem is picking up pace.

www.pbs.org

Doesn’t justify the terror and attack on civvies.

Means to do not justify ends in my book.

Penny Wong got into trouble calling for restraint and then had to back-track.

Mossad won’t take prisoners.

 

[Gronk]

Doesn’t justify the terror and attack on civvies.

Means to do not justify ends in my book.

The common thought solution between Russia /Ukraine and Israel / Palestine is .. how about you leave them the f**k alone ?

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Two very different things Gronky.

Humus will now pretty much be eradicated and Israeli state aggression against Palestine will go off the charts.

 

[strider]

I think it’s been established that they attempted to sway things, but also accepted that it probably didn’t actually change the results.

LOL ... you better tell Hilary cos she is banging on about it happening again.

 

[TheRam]

What the Slate article pointed out was that Epstein didn’t provide others with his data or the terms of howthe data was weighted.

Having said that it is obvious that Google vs Yahoo does yield different results because of their algorithms and mostly likely who pay$ what. No disagreement there.

This psychologist claims Google search results unfairly steer voters to the left. Conservatives love him

The idea that Google is subtly pushing masses of voters to the left has the ring of conspiracy, and thus the work of Robert Epstein is warmly embraced by conservative lawmakers — as well as a president — convinced big tech is plotting against them.

www.latimes.com

I think it’s been established that they attempted to sway things, but also accepted that it probably didn’t actually change the results.

Which is what most people are saying about his claims re: google. The dispute is not that their algorithm shadow bans Breitbart, it clearly does. It’s the claim that it’s a premeditated globalist big corporation plan to stop the republicans from getting elected.

Oh so we are shadow banning conservatives, but for no apparent reason. We just do things to conservatives for sh*ts and giggles.

What's wrong with you conservatives. Don't you have a sense of humour? Lighten up already! It's just jokes. Learn to chill baby. Chill.

 

[Gronk]

LOL ... you better tell Hilary cos she is banging on about it happening again.

Both you and I were talking about an election which was campaigned for in 2015/6.

Shit is even more sophisticated now, with others involved.

Trolls, China spreading Voice disinformation

Neo-Nazis, white supremacists and anti-Semitic trolls are spreading misleading and manipulative content about the referendum on social media platforms.

www.afr.com

 

[strider]

Both you and I were talking about an election which was campaigned for in 2015/6.

Shit is even more sophisticated now, with others involved.

Trolls, China spreading Voice disinformation

Neo-Nazis, white supremacists and anti-Semitic trolls are spreading misleading and manipulative content about the referendum on social media platforms.

www.afr.com

LOL .... but but, recognised its not enough to influence anything

 

[Gronk]

Oh so we are shadow banning conservatives, but for no apparent reason. We just do things to conservatives for sh*ts and giggles.

What's wrong with you conservatives. Don't you have a sense of humour? Lighten up already! It's just jokes. Learn to chill baby. Chill.

No mate. They are not shadow banning conservatives.

They are filtering misinformation or as your fearless leader calls it - fake news.

 

[strider]

Nobody is condoning acts of war, but there doesn’t seem to be a great deal of sympathy for Israel this morning.

Albo and Penny have gone full support of "our friends Israel" ... seems quite sympathetic

 

[Gronk]

LOL .... but but, recognised its not enough to influence anything

You kinda got it right. Recognised not enough to influence THAT election. Not won’t influence any election ever. You’re not dumb, just being cheeky.

 

[Gronk]

Albo and Penny have gone full support of "our friends Israel" ... seems quite sympathetic

That’s because they are our allies.

However recently we joined forces with UK and Canada and told them that they were proper merkins. Re: what I posted about ^^^^ earlier.


The continued expansion of settlements is an obstacle to peace and negatively impacts efforts to achieve a negotiated two-state solution. We call on the Government of Israel to reverse these decisions.

We are also deeply troubled by the continued violence and loss of life in Israel and in the West Bank. We unequivocally condemn all forms of terrorism and violence against civilians, including the terrorist attack on June 20 in Eli targeting Israeli civilians. We also condemn the reprehensible and ongoing settler violence targeting Palestinians. We welcome the joint statement from the heads of the Israel Defense Forces, Israel Security Agency and the Israel Police as well as statements by other Israeli leaders condemning these acts. We call on authorities to ensure accountability for all perpetrators of violence.

The cycle of violence in Israel and the West Bank must be broken.

https://www.foreignminister.gov.au/minister/penny-wong/media-release/joint-statement-australia-canada-and-united-kingdom-following-recent-events-israel-and-west-bank