OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[the phantom menace]

Because honestly I cannot comprehend how someone would have the mentality to vote Labor or Green (and other left leaning, but preference Labor) at the last election, and then less than 18 months later even remotely consider voting No on this issue. It makes no ideological sense to me. Like seriously, WTF goes through these peoples minds when they're considering who to vote for that they can do this?

Well, some component of the ALP 2-party preferred vote at the last election was truly down to how on the nose Scomo's Lib government had become to the vast population. But that doesn't indicate died in the wool Labor values held among those "swinging" voters that change their mind at any given election and effectively decide the result.

I don't think there's a correlation between the last (federal or state) election vote and this referendum's voting intentions - because in many people's minds they're two different things entirely (which they may not spend much time thinking or finding out about).

I'm lost with what made these No voters now preference Labor ahead of LNP in the first place.

It cant just primarily previously be just a hatred of ScoMo, or a super love affair with McGowan in WA.

Are there that many super lefties/Greens who don't think it goes far enough so vote No? Surely not.

No, I think any "extreme left" No votes are dwindling in number by the minute, and folding into Yes votes.

I think you're trying to equate apples with oranges. If Albo had gone to the election promising he'd legislate the Voice into existence in government, I suspect the current No voters would have steered well clear. But Albo didn't promise that, he just promised that there'd be a referendum for people to have their say... and here we (including any dumb, easily influenced by corporate media, and slightly racists among us) are!

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Well, I do. A vast majority of the media have focused on the negative factors of the Yes vote and sprouted that. The LNP have been largely responsible for this and the media have run with it.
I've neither heard nor read much positivity for the yes vote in the media.
Regardless of how people voted during the last election, so many have fallen for this political take on what should be a bi-partisan referendum but it ain't. There's only one party responsible for this, and that is the LNP.
I heard a stat on the radio this afternoon from a poll of electorates.
84% of Bob Katter's electorate in QLD is voting no.
That says it all and that stat is disgusting.
Australians generally are, ignorant and lazy. Not all, but many.
I have 3 brothers. One will unequivocally vote Yes. Another is a complete right wing nutcase and was always going to vote no, regardless.
The third brother rang me a week ago not understanding The Voice and asked my opinion. I gave it but it was a waste of time. His wife is seriously racist and has convinced him to vote no.
I also have a sister whose husband is horribly racist (amongst other things) so she has become that way too. They live in The Shire. They'll also be voting No. Enough said.
So that is 3 out of 5 of us voting No. Pretty sure that's how it will turn out. 60 - 40 in favour of No, which is really sad.

What has divided this country is not the Referendum itself but the party-political opposition to it for political gain.
Dutton and a large proportion of the media need to take responsibility for this and the divisiveness it has caused.

My view.

Very detailed post, thanks.

 

[Gary Gutful]

We can scrape over the ashes next week . Having said that, it's not as simplistic as you say.

Sadly you think that a vote for YES or NO implies that the referendum is all about RED vs BLUE. Well it has become that as a well as a scare campaign. This is where I despise politics and the lies that are proliferated in the community.

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I'd like to see it get up, but the fact that we are even having a serious discussion about this as a country leads me to believe that we'll be fine regardless of what the decision is.

Yes, its become political, but at least we aren't sweeping shit under the carpet and avoiding the conversation. That in itself places our democracy at the top of the tree on the world stage.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I'd like to see it get up, but the fact that we are even having a serious discussion about this as a country leads me to believe that we'll be fine regardless of what the decision is.

Yes, its become political, but at least we aren't sweeping shit under the carpet and avoiding the conversation. That in itself places our democracy at the top of the tree on the world stage.

On behalf of the UN Assembly id like to thank the prime minister of Burma.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

The outcome is going to send all the wokeys and champagne socialists spare and blame Albo.

The broad left will splinter and then its hello to the proto fascist Mr potato head.

The marketing was a shit show.

I don’t want a narcissistic wanker like Peter Garrett telling me how to vote.

Or bitch face Cash playing a female prison guard in a soap opera.

Yet again the ordinary Australian is reamed by bullshit. We don’t trust politicians, celebs or authority.

What a mess!

We will soon be seen by the world as the most racist and hateful country on earth. When we aren’t half that bad. Except shire merkins and those types, who are for the most part, pleasingly outnumbered.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Breaking: Iran warns USA not to intervene, Germany reviews aid to Palestine, Israel cuts water and food to Gaza, schools bombed.

It’s all amping up…sadly.


Some Al Jazeera guests aren’t very pro-Israel.

Talk of imminent massive Israeli ground invasion.

Israel has bombed markets and hospitals apparently.

4 mosques flattened..

I think this is probably just the start of a much bigger apocalyptic outcome for all of those effected.

Pray to your God for peace.

 

[eels_fan]

Well this has worked out real well for Albo…
If the true result comes out anywhere near as poorly as this sample size, he would surely fall on his own sword, or get knifed pretty quickly from within his party.

 

[Chipmunk]

Well this has worked out real well for Albo…
If the true result comes out anywhere near as poorly as this sample size, he would surely fall on his own sword, or get knifed pretty quickly from within his party.

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Wow. That's a significant amount of votes too for that kind of percentage results.

 

[Gronk]

Well this has worked out real well for Albo…
If the true result comes out anywhere near as poorly as this sample size, he would surely fall on his own sword, or get knifed pretty quickly from within his party.

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To be fair, running a poll at the Telecrap (assume behind a paywall) is not an unpredictable result.

Also

Bots may be trumping online polls

Poll results are supposed to be driven by opinions, but marketers, politicians and others know opinions can be driven by polls. Hence the rising use of bots to skew perceptions in favor of a product, a celebrity or, at this time of year, a candidate.

www.csoonline.com

 

[Gronk]

It seems to me that there are two types of liberal politicians. Those who are actively campaigning and playing short term politics and those who and are not.



https://nit.com.au/17-04-2023/5617/three-former-liberal-indigenous-affairs-ministers-unite-in-support-of-the-voice#:~:text=Ian%20Viner%2C%20Fred%20Chaney%20and,yes'%20in%20the%20referendum.%22

 

[Gronk]

Breaking: Iran warns USA not to intervene, Germany reviews aid to Palestine, Israel cuts water and food to Gaza, schools bombed.

It’s all amping up…sadly.


Some Al Jazeera guests aren’t very pro-Israel.

Talk of imminent massive Israeli ground invasion.

Israel has bombed markets and hospitals apparently.

4 mosques flattened..

I think this is probably just the start of a much bigger apocalyptic outcome for all of those effected.

Pray to your God for peace.

Shocked that they are taking Gaza. Not really because they’ve done it before.

“..we are going to change the Middle East," Mr Netanyahu told officials

Maps of Palestine - PalestineRemix

Palestine was erased from the world map. Here, it is revived.

remix.aljazeera.com

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Hamas threatens to kill hostages if the siege continues.

I’m not sure what the US can do in the area now.

I think the UN should try to step in.

It was all a bad idea.

 

[the phantom menace]

 

[the phantom menace]

I lolled...

 

[Gary Gutful]

I shook my head.

 

[Gronk]

Hamas threatens to kill hostages if the siege continues.

I’m not sure what the US can do in the area now.

I think the UN should try to step in.

It was all a bad idea.

Considering that Israel usually deals with eye for an eye as eye for a village, the hostages were clearly a premeditated tactic to get some leverage or lessen the blow*.

* To be fair, I am not well versed on the planning missile strikes and terrorist attacks against aggressive neighbours who have undertaken decades of land encroachments and ethnic cleansing.

Not that hostages being taken by one side is anything new.

Israel holding over 1,000 without charge, most since 2003

An Israeli human rights group says that Israel is holding over 1,000 Palestinian detainees without charge or trial, the highest number since 2003. HaMoked, an Israeli rights group that regularly gathers figures from prison authorities, said Tuesday that as of April 2023 there were 1,016...

apnews.com

 

[King-Gutho94]

Well i am sure Biden has everything under control from a US stand point from the nursing home is currently at.

 

[Gronk]

Well i am sure Biden has everything under control from a US stand point from the nursing home is currently at.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I can’t unsee that!

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Israel always hits back with extreme force.

Hamas would have expected it and also the consequences.

Anyone in hamas etc who is prepared and ready to cop it, that’s fine.

But it’s really not ok for kids and innocents.

And it’s not Ok for Israel to kill kids and innocents too.