OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Twizzle]

Green light Adani quickly? Those merkins were working with Government on approvals for 7-8 years! Meanwhile comparative sized met coal projects went approved unnoticed.

Love them or loathe them but no-one can say that their project was green lighted. It was a political football and everyone was playing parraball!

yeh true, perhaps I didn't express that the way I meant, I know they waited for 7-8 years but when Shorten lost she released a presser saying that we need to get this finalized asap as she was worried about he arse

she never showed that urgency in the previous 7-8 years

 

[Twizzle]

Sometimes you get a situation where a small group holds the balance of power.

and very rarely are they always on the same side holding the same views on all matters, otherwise they would be a majority group

 

[Gary Gutful]

yeh true, perhaps I didn't express that the way I meant, I know they waited for 7-8 years but when Shorten lost she released a presser saying that we need to get this finalized asap as she was worried about he arse

she never showed that urgency in the previous 7-8 years

Spot on Twiz. She Even flew up to the coal terminal to announce it.

The powerful left faction were actively f**king Adani over much to the bemusement of the Feds. Anna should have done something about it earlier but she was scared of Trad and her kronies.

 

[Bandwagon]

Sometimes you get a situation where a small group holds the balance of power. It's actually very common in politics, where one party fails to get a true majority and needs to rely on some minor party to give them the numbers.

Yeah, but that's usually the Nats.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

And now increasingly the Greens

 

[Gronk]

And now increasingly the Greens

Do tell. Considering that the support for the greens has been trending downwards (in all chambers both state and federal) for the past 10 years.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Do tell. Considering that the support for the greens has been trending downwards (in all chambers both state and federal) for the past 10 years.

That just shows the centrist parties have adopted their ideas. Similar to how adoption of immigration scepticism by centrist parties erodes support for nationalist parties.

As I said, the problem isn't the Greens (I feel wealthy enough that I'm tempted to start voting for them). The problem is green ideology. But blaming the party is a way to attack the ideas without blaming the potential swing and undecided voters who might be tempted away from voting for untested 'science' such as Indigenous tradition.

 

[Gronk]

That just shows the centrist parties have adopted their ideas.

Yes it's how progressive concepts become mainstream, albeit to the significant discomfort of the old farts. Conservative obstructionism is an effective, yet short term, tool to filibuster and stonewall inevitable progress.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yes it's how progressive concepts become mainstream, albeit to the significant discomfort of the old farts. Conservative obstructionism is an effective, yet short term, tool to filibuster and stonewall inevitable progress.

I'd say the old farts are also concerned about authoritarianism creeping back into the mainstream. After all, they remember its excesses better than anyone.

Moral panics are a proven way to get people to hand over their freedoms. It's not new. It's just so long between drinks that it often seems that way.

 

[Gronk]

I'd say the old farts are also concerned about authoritarianism creeping back into the mainstream. After all, they remember its excesses better than anyone.

Moral panics are a proven way to get people to hand over their freedoms. It's not new. It's just so long between drinks that it often seems that way.

FMD if the old farts were concerned about authoritarianism, they shouldn't have voted for Morrison.

Look up Authoritarian Populist in the interweb and you get his picture.

 

[Twizzle]

Yeah, but that's usually the Nats.

They should divorce the Libs, imagine the chaos.

 

[Bandwagon]

They should divorce the Libs, imagine the chaos.

It would mean the Libs would only ever be capable of forming a minority government.

And the rabid tail would wag the dog.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

FMD if the old farts were concerned about authoritarianism, they shouldn't have voted for Morrison.

Look up Authoritarian Populist in the interweb and you get his picture.

Which authoritarian policies is he proposing?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It would mean the Libs would only ever be capable of forming a minority government.

And the rabid tail would wag the dog.

And where would the Nationals direct their preferences if not the Liberals?

 

[Bandwagon]

And where would the Nationals direct their preferences if not the Liberals?

What does it matter, they win seats in their own right?

Of course there'd be more three cornered contests, but if Lib / Nat voters just first preferenced the other, in Nat held seats it'd just mean they'd need a higher primary than the liberals

And how much time and money do you think the Libs would spend on gains in Nats seats, bearing in mind every dollar spent there isn't spent fighting Labor?

 

[Gronk]

Which authoritarian policies is he proposing?

How about trying to muzzle the government broadcaster, demeaning welfare recipients and stagnating their receipts, incarceration of immigrants, raids on journalists who dare print anti-government stuff sourced from whistleblowers, etc

Much of the policies fuelled by populism to appease the deplorables.

 

[Twizzle]

was it Abbott who won the election and the Libs had 21% of the vote ? ( not counting the Nats)

and yet Labour had something like 45% of the vote, I remember reading that and thinking wtf

 

[Poupou Escobar]

How about trying to muzzle the government broadcaster, demeaning welfare recipients and stagnating their receipts, incarceration of immigrants, raids on journalists who dare print anti-government stuff sourced from whistleblowers, etc

Much of the policies fuelled by populism to appease the deplorables.

Reducing government funding isn't authoritarianism. It is the opposite. Forcing taxpayers to contribute to things they don't use or otherwise value is from the authoritarian side of politics.

Journos are picky about which truth they reveal. They need to get more picky when it comes to national security.

People desiring to migrate to our authoritarian state need to respect the process we have in place. Nobody likes a queue jumper.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I like authoritarianism. There should be more of it.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I like authoritarianism. There should be more of it.

Shut up merkin!