OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[the phantom menace]

I'm still processing that 77million people turned up of their own free will - no compulsory voting or fines etc - to vote in Trump, after having already had a taste of him before.

Sure 75million voted for Harris too... but I would have thought that faced with two candidates perhaps best described as "poor" quality - since it's evident the democrats really botched up their succession planning - less people would have been bothered to turn up and voluntarily for either?

I guess the divisive nature of Trump worked both ways - galvanising people of "his persuasion" to come out and support him, while also galvanising people to come out against him and give their votes to Harris anyway.

 

[the phantom menace]

And what's with all the $Trump crypto meme fast money fundraising thing...? I blinked and I missed the rise and fall, but someone seems to have pocketed some decent/quick profit when they sold at the top.

 

[Incorrect]

Well let's wait and see what actually happens. But having family or not shouldn't be a factor on staying/going.
A murderer if caught 20yrs later still will go to GAOL and his family isn't considered. These people sneaking across border are criminals. Roll the dice and pay the price.

I think me personally would say anyone in the last 5yrs would be sent home. The rest just get a fine

Quite often, if not always, the most vocal of those opposed to having illegal aliens returned to their origins because it makes them feel sad, are so far removed from the social consequences and realities of the situation it is barley worth acknowledging their stance. I would rather they stood up and said "YIMBY" and fostered the accommodation of said visa dodgers in their own backyards and neighbourhoods and see how that all goes for them....

 

[Twizzle]

Yes that's fair enough. But what happens here if we find illegal immigrants? We send them home.

back to New Zealand

 

[Twizzle]

I would rather they stood up and said "YIMBY" and fostered the accommodation of said visa dodgers in their own backyards and neighbourhoods and see how that all goes for them....

like they did in Biloela ?

 

[Incorrect]

like they did in Biloela ?

Yeah exactly. Good on them. The locals put their money where their mouth was.

 

[Suitman]

These people sneaking across border are criminals.

Are they?
Maybe they are just looking for a better life, just like the majority of "boat people" who come to Australia, who are trying to escape the Taliban or the shit in Gaza?

 

[hindy111]

Are they?
Maybe they are just looking for a better life, just like the majority of "boat people" who come to Australia, who are trying to escape the Taliban or the shit in Gaza?

It's very unfortunate and sad these countries are at war. That's why we let in refugees via the correct channels. If you aren't tough then you will just get bucket loads of boats coming in illegally and that's going to create a problem. And one that isn't ours to begin with.
Our system is set up so we can let in x amount of refugees to help the best we can. I'm happy to increase that amount whatever it may be but it must be above board and manageable also.

 

[hindy111]

Quite often, if not always, the most vocal of those opposed to having illegal aliens returned to their origins because it makes them feel sad, are so far removed from the social consequences and realities of the situation it is barley worth acknowledging their stance. I would rather they stood up and said "YIMBY" and fostered the accommodation of said visa dodgers in their own backyards and neighbourhoods and see how that all goes for them....

Imagine 1,000 people from the sub continent deciding to reside in Mossman. Imagine the locals outrage.
I doubt they feel sorry for them either. They are all well educated people and they know immigration fuels the economy and it is what makes their assets worth so much while us plebs slog it away week after week.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I'm still processing that 77million people turned up of their own free will - no compulsory voting or fines etc - to vote in Trump, after having already had a taste of him before.

Sure 75million voted for Harris too... but I would have thought that faced with two candidates perhaps best described as "poor" quality - since it's evident the democrats really botched up their succession planning - less people would have been bothered to turn up and voluntarily for either?

I guess the divisive nature of Trump worked both ways - galvanising people of "his persuasion" to come out and support him, while also galvanising people to come out against him and give their votes to Harris anyway.

If you are still processing it, then you don't get it at all.

The Dems were utterly deplorable over the last 4 years. Did nothing, offered nothing. A very easy decision for people to vote them out.

 

[the phantom menace]

If you are still processing it, then you don't get it at all.

The Dems were utterly deplorable over the last 4 years. Did nothing, offered nothing. A very easy decision for people to vote them out.

At roughly 50.9% of the votes vs 49.1%... it can't have been too easy. Hardly a landslide. But agree democrats did a poor job in the years immediately preceding the election.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Are they?
Maybe they are just looking for a better life, just like the majority of "boat people" who come to Australia, who are trying to escape the Taliban or the shit in Gaza?

Trump is largely doing what Aus has been doing for some time under both sides of Government.

Immigration is fine, but there are correct channels. I feel for people living in shit countries but there should be rules around legal processing. You shouldn't be able to just rock up unannounced and expect entry.

I don't think that's a particularly controversial position to take. Immigration is a cornerstone of a sophisticated democracy. They add to the richness of a country. But it should be regulated and appropriately managed.

 

[Gary Gutful]

At roughly 50.9% of the votes vs 49.1%... it can't have been too easy. Hardly a landslide. But agree democrats did a poor job in the years immediately preceding the election.

Incredibly poor. Worse than Trump in the preceding 4 years.

It was easy for those who count. Dems failed at the election by some margin. Trump was accounced President before the party even got started. Even the staunchest of Dems have conceded that they were well off the pace.

I'm no Trump fan boy. The guy is insufferable. But his campaign was streets ahead of what the incumbents offered.

 

[the phantom menace]

No argument there. I think I said as much in here during the campaign that the democrats had stuffed it up big time. Got the dead cat bounce when Harris took over, but failed to capitalise on anything beyond that.

But just looking at the overall votes, that's a lot slimmer percentages compared to our usual two-party preferred margins in Australia. Which is interesting just as an observation of how the two systems work.

 

[Suitman]

It hasn't gone unnoticed how much calmer Bart's replies have been in all threads since he was threatened with a permanent ban last week.
Lol.

 

[Gary Gutful]

It hasn't gone unnoticed how much calmer Bart's replies have been in all threads since he was threatened with a permanent ban last week.
Lol.

Agreed. Long may it continue. He is a smart guy and has plenty to add when he isn't being a smug pou-obsessed troll. I remember when you used to be the target back in the day. He can be f**king relentless.

 

[Gary Gutful]

No argument there. I think I said as much in here during the campaign that the democrats had stuffed it up big time. Got the dead cat bounce when Harris took over, but failed to capitalise on anything beyond that.

But just looking at the overall votes, that's a lot slimmer percentages compared to our usual two-party preferred margins in Australia. Which is interesting just as an observation of how the two systems work.

The electoral college system means that the popular vote is irrelevant. Large states like NY and California are historically Democrat which skews the popular vote.

Both parties knew which states were going to decide the election and the Republicans dominated where it counts.

The swings against the Democrats were unprecedented in many locations. Only a fool would suggest it was anything other than a resounding victory to the Republicans. It was over well before most US elections are decided.

 

[Gary Gutful]

It's very unfortunate and sad these countries are at war. That's why we let in refugees via the correct channels. If you aren't tough then you will just get bucket loads of boats coming in illegally and that's going to create a problem. And one that isn't ours to begin with.
Our system is set up so we can let in x amount of refugees to help the best we can. I'm happy to increase that amount whatever it may be but it must be above board and manageable also.

Didn't see your response before I posted mine, but scary how similar they are. We both used the terms 'correct channels' and 'manageable'.

Wanna f**k?

 

[the phantom menace]

It hasn't gone unnoticed how much calmer Bart's replies have been in all threads since he was threatened with a permanent ban last week.
Lol.

You think that "threat" made the difference? Lol.

Thanks for your contribution to the commentary though, and positive comment. I'll patiently await reinstatement of unrestricted posting status (in certain threads, use of likes etc) whenever mods/admins deem fit....

 

[strider]

A long line of Hitlers I guess ... and their supporters all seemed happy to cheer it on ...




Obama named "The Deporter In Chief" .... predominantly "criminals" who comitted minor crimes like traffic offences