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OT: Joey drugs bust

Gronk

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fish eel said:
You beat me to the punch, whilst I wasn't going to mention Boonie, I was going to say that what had been overlooked, but is equally important, is the reliance on alcohol.

Yeah well that won't be talked about too much considering the $$ that Bundy Rum, Jim Beam and a whole bunch of beer brands put into the game.
 

fish eel

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Gronk said:
Yeah well that won't be talked about too much considering the $$ that Bundy Rum, Jim Beam and a whole bunch of beer brands put into the game.

Exactly.

And many of the TV and radio 'personalities' that cover the game often make jokes about having to much to drink like it's a badge of honour...
 

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Parra Guru said:
he makes me feel awkward when I watch him on TV, I never know whether he is sincere or being a smart arse

the whole interview with Gus could have been a leg pull

we dont really know how bad his habit was, or whether he was just giving us the tip of the iceberg
 

carson

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fish eel said:
Exactly.

And many of the TV and radio 'personalities' that cover the game often make jokes about having to much to drink like it's a badge of honour...

Actually does anyone remember when they did drug tests in the toilets of the crown casino during the logies a couple of years ago. Aparently virtually every surface tested positive to traces of cocaine and amphetimines.

I guess if we all went by the adage of let he who is without sin cast the first stone, then we would be in for a lot of very slow news day. In fact we may even get to read some sport in the sport pages.
 
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carson said:
Your thinking of Annabel Catt

Anna Woods was the girl who died years ago from drinking too much water after taking an E. maybe we should ban water to make sure it never happens again.

i personally know friends of anna woods, they all say she had it coming. copious amounts of a wide variety of cheap poorly made drugs.
 
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Hollywood Jesus said:
Not taking a shot at you at all, but role models for kids really shouldn't be people whose greatest accomplishment in life is to play sport.

Get him a good role model like a Nobel Laurette or recognised charity worker. Maybe a guy like John Glenn or someone similar. Hell, maybe parents should be role models for kids?

wow, my sentiments exactly. spot on.:thumb
 
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Gronk said:
Die-Hard p/t Jet Fan said:
The absolute legality argument is a bit weak. Up until december last year it was illegal to tape a televison show, have any of you guys pushing this line ever done this? If so how can you justify breaking the law? Popping a pill is a victimless crime whereas taping a tv show violates someones copyright. Recreational use of drugs to me is on the same level as moderate use of alcohol. Drug abuse is as big a problem as alcohol abuse.

Good advice to the kids. Keep away from mine, thanks. :crazy:

I think its great advice.

drug experimentation is normal and healthy. since time immemorial people from all different societies, social status, and backgrounds have taken mind altering drugs. There is a religion - the Peyote church of god - that exsists in arizona where mescalin is legalised for their religious beliefs. It is human nature to endeavour to experience an altered state of consciousness (alcohol anyone?); always has been, always will be.

There have been comments that people dont want their children hooked on drugs. and fair enough too, but from my experience, which is extensive (from personal experience and studying this topic at uni), people dont get hooked unless they are severely lacking something emotionally in their lives. Do your jobs as parents and bring up your children properly with valid and fact driven drug education and your children will be smart enough to experiment, forge a healthy relationship with drugs, and give up when the time is right. Only a few illicit drugs out there are highly addictive, these should be avoided at all costs. Moreover, some of the legal drugs out there are even more highly addictive. If people are worried solely about the addiction factor, then they should be equally concerned with prescription drug abuse. I doubt they are though.

The drugs themselves arent bad, its the people that use them (read: abuse them) that give them a negative impression to greater society. On a pharmacological level some of these chemicals are amazing compounds, with amazing therapeutic benefits. Recent studies have shown that under controlled supervision with a psychologist 3 treatments of MDMA, followed by 2 treatments of LSD can cure almost ALL psychological disorders. Unfortuately, these studies will not receive funding becasue of the illicit nature of the drugs, and the drug companies (who normally fund the studies) would rather u spent your money on a lifetime of anti-depressants then 5 treatments of illicit drugs to completely heal you.

wow im getting on my soap box here. but ill finish up by saying that it is the laws that are the problem, not the drugs themselves. I would prefer my child, who will almost invariably try drugs at some stage, buy a pharmaceutical grade drug, rather than one made by some backyard chemist in a wok.

let me put this to you: if a family member of yours, one you deeply loved, became addictied to heroin. would you prefer them to be labelled as a criminal, or as someone needing mental help. In an ideal world they'd go the way of other mentally disabled people. They'd be supported by society, rather than scare us on the streets and steal our TV for their next hit. They could go to the chemist and buy their 'fix' at $10 rather than $200. The image of a heroin addict is a malnourished, theiving degenerate. This is our wonderful laws at work. not SOLELY the fault of the drug. Bit of topic here but i thought i'd get all that off my chest. I know i wont change anyones mind with my diatribe, but dont form your opinions based on government drug education policies. Experiment yourselves (or at least talk to some upstanding people in society that are users) and read scientific literature to form your opinions.

me :arrow:
 

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eeelectroshooting? said:
I think its great advice.

drug experimentation is normal and healthy. since time immemorial people from all different societies, social status, and backgrounds have taken mind altering drugs. There is a religion - the Peyote church of god - that exsists in arizona where mescalin is legalised for their religious beliefs. It is human nature to endeavour to experience an altered state of consciousness (alcohol anyone?); always has been, always will be.

There have been comments that people dont want their children hooked on drugs. and fair enough too, but from my experience, which is extensive (from personal experience and studying this topic at uni), people dont get hooked unless they are severely lacking something emotionally in their lives. Do your jobs as parents and bring up your children properly with valid and fact driven drug education and your children will be smart enough to experiment, forge a healthy relationship with drugs, and give up when the time is right. Only a few illicit drugs out there are highly addictive, these should be avoided at all costs. Moreover, some of the legal drugs out there are even more highly addictive. If people are worried solely about the addiction factor, then they should be equally concerned with prescription drug abuse. I doubt they are though.

The drugs themselves arent bad, its the people that use them (read: abuse them) that give them a negative impression to greater society. On a pharmacological level some of these chemicals are amazing compounds, with amazing therapeutic benefits. Recent studies have shown that under controlled supervision with a psychologist 3 treatments of MDMA, followed by 2 treatments of LSD can cure almost ALL psychological disorders. Unfortuately, these studies will not receive funding becasue of the illicit nature of the drugs, and the drug companies (who normally fund the studies) would rather u spent your money on a lifetime of anti-depressants then 5 treatments of illicit drugs to completely heal you.

wow im getting on my soap box here. but ill finish up by saying that it is the laws that are the problem, not the drugs themselves. I would prefer my child, who will almost invariably try drugs at some stage, buy a pharmaceutical grade drug, rather than one made by some backyard chemist in a wok.

let me put this to you: if a family member of yours, one you deeply loved, became addictied to heroin. would you prefer them to be labelled as a criminal, or as someone needing mental help. In an ideal world they'd go the way of other mentally disabled people. They'd be supported by society, rather than scare us on the streets and steal our TV for their next hit. They could go to the chemist and buy their 'fix' at $10 rather than $200. The image of a heroin addict is a malnourished, theiving degenerate. This is our wonderful laws at work. not SOLELY the fault of the drug. Bit of topic here but i thought i'd get all that off my chest. I know i wont change anyones mind with my diatribe, but dont form your opinions based on government drug education policies. Experiment yourselves (or at least talk to some upstanding people in society that are users) and read scientific literature to form your opinions.

me :arrow:

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I'd just like to add that my friends and I all took drugs in later teen years, and on for a bit. Most of us have stopped, some still do to a small degree.

While I'd stop short of ever encouraging someone to do them (I wouldn't discourage either), I feel that I learnt a lot of things from taking them. They changed me - in good and bad ways at the time, but mainly in good ways for the long term. But I was always smart enough to stop when I knew the bad was outweighing the good. How do you know? I don't know, just a feeling I guess. I think that feeling would be easier to recognise if people had access to decent information about drugs because, unfortunately, some people don't see the signs, or chose to ignore them.
 

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eeelectroshooting? said:
i personally know friends of anna woods, they all say she had it coming. copious amounts of a wide variety of cheap poorly made drugs.

:lol: so that makes it OK? Anna Wood was 15 ffs.

Obviously she was just dumb, I forgot everybody that uses recreational drugs are so smart and have plenty of money, and everyone knows where to get it, and what's good or bad.
 

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eeelectroshooting? said:
I think its great advice.

drug experimentation is normal and healthy. since time immemorial people from all different societies, social status, and backgrounds have taken mind altering drugs. There is a religion - the Peyote church of god - that exsists in arizona where mescalin is legalised for their religious beliefs. It is human nature to endeavour to experience an altered state of consciousness (alcohol anyone?); always has been, always will be.

There have been comments that people dont want their children hooked on drugs. and fair enough too, but from my experience, which is extensive (from personal experience and studying this topic at uni), people dont get hooked unless they are severely lacking something emotionally in their lives. Do your jobs as parents and bring up your children properly with valid and fact driven drug education and your children will be smart enough to experiment, forge a healthy relationship with drugs, and give up when the time is right. Only a few illicit drugs out there are highly addictive, these should be avoided at all costs. Moreover, some of the legal drugs out there are even more highly addictive. If people are worried solely about the addiction factor, then they should be equally concerned with prescription drug abuse. I doubt they are though.

The drugs themselves arent bad, its the people that use them (read: abuse them) that give them a negative impression to greater society. On a pharmacological level some of these chemicals are amazing compounds, with amazing therapeutic benefits. Recent studies have shown that under controlled supervision with a psychologist 3 treatments of MDMA, followed by 2 treatments of LSD can cure almost ALL psychological disorders. Unfortuately, these studies will not receive funding becasue of the illicit nature of the drugs, and the drug companies (who normally fund the studies) would rather u spent your money on a lifetime of anti-depressants then 5 treatments of illicit drugs to completely heal you.

wow im getting on my soap box here. but ill finish up by saying that it is the laws that are the problem, not the drugs themselves. I would prefer my child, who will almost invariably try drugs at some stage, buy a pharmaceutical grade drug, rather than one made by some backyard chemist in a wok.

let me put this to you: if a family member of yours, one you deeply loved, became addictied to heroin. would you prefer them to be labelled as a criminal, or as someone needing mental help. In an ideal world they'd go the way of other mentally disabled people. They'd be supported by society, rather than scare us on the streets and steal our TV for their next hit. They could go to the chemist and buy their 'fix' at $10 rather than $200. The image of a heroin addict is a malnourished, theiving degenerate. This is our wonderful laws at work. not SOLELY the fault of the drug. Bit of topic here but i thought i'd get all that off my chest. I know i wont change anyones mind with my diatribe, but dont form your opinions based on government drug education policies. Experiment yourselves (or at least talk to some upstanding people in society that are users) and read scientific literature to form your opinions.

me :arrow:

There aren't any "standing ovation" little emoticons there, however this post deserves one!!!!!!! Lack of education and utter ARROGANCE by society is the problem with drugs!!!!

I have not studied at uni but i have read up plenty about drugs and 2 of them that are completely LEGAL, are 10 times worse than what Joey is taking......the government are a joke, uneducated, narrow minded fools are just as bad.......i cannot believe the high horse people get themselves on......

Anyone who says they have never done anything wrong at some point in their life is kidding themselves, just because you determine that going 65 in a 60 zone makes you better than the person doing 75, does not make you correct.....you are both technically breaking the law, just one is doing it worse than you!!!

I would like to think that when i have kids, i will not be a hypocrite, i will never envourage my child to take drugs, however i can NEVER come down on the child if i ever hear that they have experimented, that would be ridiculously hypocritical of me. I however will be educating my children about the dangers of not only illicit drugs but plenty of other things too.

Listening to people at work today, listening to the radio in the morning and afternoon, i am sick of people who have no clue about anything, why comment on things that you have no idea about? Is it really hard to research it yourself if you are going to have such a strong opinion? Can you not think for yourself?
 
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Gronk said:
Good advice to the kids. Keep away from mine, thanks. :crazy:

We are talking about adults here chump. I would never encourage kids to take but drugs but I am not naive enough to think my kids wont take them. Make sure when you catch your kids taking drugs you put them in gaol, or hopefully you take the harm minimisation approach with you own. Society has used them since the start of time get used to it it aint going away, an open dialogue can prevent overdoses.
 

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eeelectroshooting? said:
I think its great advice.

drug experimentation is normal and healthy. since time immemorial people from all different societies, social status, and backgrounds have taken mind altering drugs. There is a religion - the Peyote church of god - that exsists in arizona where mescalin is legalised for their religious beliefs. It is human nature to endeavour to experience an altered state of consciousness (alcohol anyone?); always has been, always will be.

There have been comments that people dont want their children hooked on drugs. and fair enough too, but from my experience, which is extensive (from personal experience and studying this topic at uni), people dont get hooked unless they are severely lacking something emotionally in their lives. Do your jobs as parents and bring up your children properly with valid and fact driven drug education and your children will be smart enough to experiment, forge a healthy relationship with drugs, and give up when the time is right. Only a few illicit drugs out there are highly addictive, these should be avoided at all costs. Moreover, some of the legal drugs out there are even more highly addictive. If people are worried solely about the addiction factor, then they should be equally concerned with prescription drug abuse. I doubt they are though.

The drugs themselves arent bad, its the people that use them (read: abuse them) that give them a negative impression to greater society. On a pharmacological level some of these chemicals are amazing compounds, with amazing therapeutic benefits. Recent studies have shown that under controlled supervision with a psychologist 3 treatments of MDMA, followed by 2 treatments of LSD can cure almost ALL psychological disorders. Unfortuately, these studies will not receive funding becasue of the illicit nature of the drugs, and the drug companies (who normally fund the studies) would rather u spent your money on a lifetime of anti-depressants then 5 treatments of illicit drugs to completely heal you.

wow im getting on my soap box here. but ill finish up by saying that it is the laws that are the problem, not the drugs themselves. I would prefer my child, who will almost invariably try drugs at some stage, buy a pharmaceutical grade drug, rather than one made by some backyard chemist in a wok.

let me put this to you: if a family member of yours, one you deeply loved, became addictied to heroin. would you prefer them to be labelled as a criminal, or as someone needing mental help. In an ideal world they'd go the way of other mentally disabled people. They'd be supported by society, rather than scare us on the streets and steal our TV for their next hit. They could go to the chemist and buy their 'fix' at $10 rather than $200. The image of a heroin addict is a malnourished, theiving degenerate. This is our wonderful laws at work. not SOLELY the fault of the drug. Bit of topic here but i thought i'd get all that off my chest. I know i wont change anyones mind with my diatribe, but dont form your opinions based on government drug education policies. Experiment yourselves (or at least talk to some upstanding people in society that are users) and read scientific literature to form your opinions.

me :arrow:
Absolutely fantastic post. The amount of people that hear the word drugs and then run for the hills is astounding. That's the thing that has annoyed me the most about this whole thing. For every addcict there's thousands of people who experiment with drugs who don't become addicted.
 
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I thought it was a good post, too.

I'm gonna be honest - I take drugs, and every day, too.

Coffee and tobacco are both mind altering substances and are addictive, as is alcohol. I only distinguish between these and illegal drugs based on severity and, obviously, legal status. I personally know what it is like to not have a coffee and a smoke in the morning - my whole day is literally ruined.

My point is that I agree with shooting - we are a culture that continually seeks mind altering states. Often this is spiritual, other times to help us get through our daily lives. As such, as much as I hate stuff like ecstasy (dirty, dirty drug) I prefer the educational route to the inquisitional route.
 

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eelz47 said:
drugs are bad and f**k lives and families.
My grandfather spent the last 5 years or so of his life in his loungeroom on oxygen because of cigarettes, and at least 15 or so before that completely f**ked anyway.

My mate's Dad destroyed him family life because of alcohol.

Yet these things are legal.
 

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eeelectroshooting? said:
drugs are the catalyst that f**ks up lives and families that are on the way to being f**ked up anyway some way or another.
yeah - so why encourage the f**ked-up-ness to happen?

sorry - I don't buy the educate ppl to use drugs responsibly argument .... not everyone can be educated - if we could we'd all be bloody rocket scientists
 

Kornstar

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strider said:
yeah - so why encourage the f**ked-up-ness to happen?

sorry - I don't buy the educate ppl to use drugs responsibly argument .... not everyone can be educated - if we could we'd all be bloody rocket scientists

Then offer a solution........
 

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