OT- NZ Election

[JJ]

This is not how MMP is supposed to work - major parties being arse raped, Greens ensuring their irrelevance, and Peters effectively running the show with 7% - just a f**king joke

 

[Mixmasterreece]

Na.. he won't go anywhere near the greens..

Best coalition ( can't see mmp lasting much longer) would be a nats/labour govt.

Happy to put a wager on that .....

 

[Leber]

It'd be a real shame if he goes with the Greens. Although with Winston anythings possible.

 

[ozbash]

Happy to put a wager on that .....

You'd be keen to bet on that.. it's a lottery.
I think if it wasn't for the greens, he might go with labour.

Can see him as deputy pm either way..

 

[Mixmasterreece]

You'd be keen to bet on that.. it's a lottery.
I think if it wasn't for the greens, he might go with labour.

Can see him as deputy pm either way..

I think all signs point to him going with Labour. It's an educated guess, not a lottery

 

[Mr Angry]

Still no winner?

FFS

 

[Rich102]

Bill English on breakfast news says that they have only had policy discussions with Winston, no agreement on makeup of a government. So if N Z First are meeting today to rubber stamp a new arrangement then it can't be with National.

 

[Juju]

IF NZF goes with Labour / Greens - National only have themselves to blame. Trying to leak damaging intel on Winston Peters and more crucially swallowing up any possible coalition partners....

 

[JJ]

At this stage it's not clear whether the winner who Winston chooses, or the others...

And why would you criticise National for trying to beat and bury NZ First (the allegations of info release are just that) - Labour tried to beat and bury the Greens... just the Greens to too gormless to respond in any way other than to be Labour's lap dog

Both National and Labour have been useless around this - Ardern patently isn't ready and would be well served to assemble a better group around her for next time, and English risks ruining whatever legacy he has by getting into bed with Winston

The Greens really should have just pretended they were interested in working with National, if only to take some of the power from Peters. And both big parties should have declined to participate in this farce (again)

Seriously need to tweak the MMP system to avoid this hijacking

 

[JJ]

Still no winner?

FFS

The party that got 7%, haven't you been watching

 

[Mr Angry]

I thought the USA had the shyte system.

7%, kiwis never stop surprising me.

 

[Leber]

Ardern will be a shit PM, but I'm assuming that's the way it'll transpire.

Sad.

 

[Rich102]

But wait......there's more......

 

[Beavers Headgear]

Ardern will be a shit PM, but I'm assuming that's the way it'll transpire.

Sad.

Someone who didn't want the job a couple of months back, an old stubborn warhorse and a bunch of lunatics. We are in for a good time

 

[JJ]

NZ First Board

 

[Juju]

And why would you criticise National for trying to beat and bury NZ First (the allegations of info release are just that) - Labour tried to beat and bury the Greens... just the Greens to too gormless to respond in any way other than to be Labour's lap dog

Both National and Labour have been useless around this - Ardern patently isn't ready and would be well served to assemble a better group around her for next time, and English risks ruining whatever legacy he has by getting into bed with Winston

The Greens really should have just pretended they were interested in working with National, if only to take some of the power from Peters. And both big parties should have declined to participate in this farce (again)

Seriously need to tweak the MMP system to avoid this hijacking

The thing is the "allegations" are made by the very person they are now begging to side with them. Dumb politics IMO and worthy of criticism.
Labour didn't run a smear campaign against the Greens.

Good on the Greens for being true to their political convictions - The National Party should try that some time.

All this butthurt over MMP too... FPP in 1993 had National winning 35%-ish of the popular vote but winning more electorates and governing. MMP is better than that.
Perhaps its time to move to no 5% threshold.

 

[Benek]

I thought the USA had the shyte system.

7%, kiwis never stop surprising me.

I'm from the states and MMP is so far superior to what they've got, we cannot really complain. At least we have some thriving minor parties instead of a terrible polarising two-party system. Kiwi's don't even know how good they've got it.

You can't really fault MMP for the situation we are in with NZ First having too much power. That's not a weekness of the system, just a byproduct of the current political spectrum. The right wing party didn't quite get enough votes to govern alone. The left block of parties didn't quite get there either. It just so happens that there's one party who has somehow managed to stay neutral enough that they can play both sides.

I'd take that system any day of the week over the US situation of having to pick the lesser of two evils every time and no chance of a third party ever having any power to keep things in check.

Sure we could have it better if we used ranked choice, or lowered the 5% threshold. But overall it's a damn good voting system and I love proportional representation.

 

[Leber]

MMP is one of the better systems going. It's not MMP's fault we are in this situation, it's the 7% of people who voted Winnie.

 

[JJ]

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All this butthurt over MMP too... FPP in 1993 had National winning 35%-ish of the popular vote but winning more electorates and governing. MMP is better than that.
Perhaps its time to move to no 5% threshold.

It's not butt hurt - the system is being rorted - yes, definitely the 5% bar should go, agree with you on that

As I said, not sure I care who Winston chooses, whoever it is is signing a death wish

 

[MKEB...]

MMP is one of the better systems going. It's not MMP's fault we are in this situation, it's the 7% of people who voted Winnie.

And the fact that it is Winnie