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OT: Parra Stadium sharing

Gronk

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I hope they design the new stadium in keeping with the historic precinct that it inhabits.

Some use of Sydney sandstone would add a nice touch to a modern structure. This was Frank Sartor's mandate when he was Sydney Lord Mayor. We ended up with some unique Sydney buildings.

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The interesting question is, With the current stadium being torn down and a new one being built, will they change the names of the stands? You would assume they would, and if they do, do the Wanderers get a say in how they are named? This new stadium would surely be a truly shared stadium now, as opposed to now, where they are kind of living at our place, this would be a new home ground for both teams.

Could we see the Cronin stand replaced with the name of a soccer great? The Popovic stand perhaps?

Hard to say really, given that Parra has the longest history at the ground, it would make sense that either the names would remain as they are, or if they had to be re-named, They would consider honoring people based on their contributions to Parramatta, but I really have no idea how they could do that, and be fair to the wanderers, given they don't really have any history, yet.

Just name one stand the Hayne Plane and the other the Hayne Train. Then at the ends have The Sterling side and on the other have The Arthur side. And have an amphitheatre that you can call the Kieran Forum.
 

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I hope they design the new stadium in keeping with the historic precinct that it inhabits.

Some use of Sydney sandstone would add a nice touch to a modern structure. This was Frank Sartor's mandate when he was Sydney Lord Mayor. We ended up with some unique Sydney buildings.

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That looks like a f**king truck.

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I don't think the Wanderers should have any say and to be honest, why should anyside or stand need to be named after anybody.
If it's a AAMI type stadium, but bigger, you just need NORTH, South, East and West stands.
The Wanderers actually sell their season tickets by coloured areas anyway, not stand names.

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I don't think the Wanderers should have any say and to be honest, why should anyside or stand need to be named after anybody.
If it's a AAMI type stadium, but bigger, you just need NORTH, South, East and West stands.
The Wanderers actually sell their season tickets by coloured areas anyway, not stand names.

Suity

Agree, the stands dont need permanent names.
If the Eels or Wanderers want to name them for their games and ticket sales, then use temporary signage ffs.
 

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SYDNEY is in danger of losing billions of dollars in tourism revenue to other Australian and Asian cities because its *hotels and sports stadiums are stuck in a 1980s time warp.

Premier Mike Baird’s plan to invest $600 million in new sports and entertainment arenas will need to be dramatically increased if Sydney is ever going to catch up with Melbourne, business leaders have warned.

“You wouldn’t even get one new decent stadium for that — unless it’s a small soccer venue or something,’’ former Victorian premier Jeff Kennett said yesterday.

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“Poor Mike is trying to make up ground, but we invested a billion dollars in cultural assets in Victoria 20 years ago and have continued to *invest over and over.’’

The Victorian government has already committed more than $2 billion to its major sporting venues, and it is believed to be close to signing off on another $1 billion as part of a project to modernise the MCG’s Great Southern Stand.

By comparison, over the same time NSW has barely spent a cent on two of its most important arenas — the 80,000-seat ANZ Stadium and Moore Park’s Allianz Stadium — since they were built in the 1980s and 1990s.

Perth, Brisbane and Adelaide have also invested heavily and are trying to steal events such as the Major-league Baseball away from Sydney.

And it’s not just in major sporting events that NSW is lagging. Former prime minister Paul Keating also lashed out yesterday at the standard of hotels in Australia.

“Chinese visitors aren’t going to come here for hotels and resorts built in the 1980s and 1990s,” he said. “They will drift off to bigger and better things, along the lines of what is being done in Vietnam.”

Mr Keating said it was only the weaker Australian dollar that was helping tourism be the “rainbow in the ass” of the national economy, which was suffering from a lack of reform.

“Australia’s living off 1980s and 1990s policy changes,” he said. “And now we have a political culture that has the *ambition of a gnat.”

Threat ... Perth, Brisbane and Adelaide are trying to steal major sports events from Sydney

Billionaire James Packer’s six-star Crown Sydney resort at Barangaroo is running at least a year behind schedule due to an earlier legal dispute between developer Lend Lease and the government’s Barangaroo Delivery Authority.

“Sydney’s hotels are not competitive with the best luxury hotels in Asia and the city is missing out on a valuable segment of the Asian luxury tourist market,’’ Crown told the NSW Planning Department this week.

And while Sydney’s Lord Mayor Clover Moore continues to try to turn the CBD into a bicycle-friendly “Little Amsterdam”, Melbourne Lord Mayor Robert Doyle has launched a push to ban bikes from major roads in the city.

“We say there are some areas where cars can’t go, buses can’t go and that’s all because of safety. Isn’t there also an argument about where bikes can’t go,” Mr Doyle said.

Mr Baird has promised to unleash an infrastructure revolution, allocating $68.6 billion to be spent over the next four years, on top of the proceeds from the lease of the state’s power assets.

The money will help bankroll projects including a second Sydney Harbour rail crossing, the new CBD Metro rail line, light rail for Parramatta and the WestConnex motorway.

Committee for Sydney chairwoman Lucy Turnbull said the Baird government was “playing a big game of catch-up” after a “10-year trough” following the 2000 Olympics.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ier-jeff-kennett/story-fni0cx12-1227443435122
 

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John Lehmann writes in today's Terrorgraph that an announcement will be made shortly about a re-build to Parramatta Stadium increasing capacity to 30-35000.
Another fluff piece, but where there's smoke....etc etc.
Maybe Gronk could link it here please.

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Some interesting points here.
Let's hope if they do fully redevelop Pirtek, that they get the balance right.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/b...ts-stadium-redevelopment-20150731-gioln9.html

Backlash against corporate boxes a warning for sports stadium redevelopment

Date August 2, 2015 - 7:00PM



Australian sports stadiums have been warned against devoting too much space to corporate boxes as fans claw back prime seats in European football grounds.
FC Barcelona, one of the world's wealthiest sports team, is considering bringing its members – known as "Socios" – back into the middle tier of its home ground "Camp Nou" when it renovates its 99,000-seat stadium, according to Tristram Carfrae, the London-based vice chairman of global engineering and design group Arup.
If you slice the right in the middle of the bowl like is done [at Arsenal's stadium], you will get the nickname 'The Library'.
Tristram Carfrae, Arup​
"They want to reserve it for the die-hard fans," Mr Carfrae said. "What they have been doing to date is inserting the business people into the middle… but the middle is now getting so big that it's disturbing the balance."
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FC Barcelona is rethinking where it puts corporate boxes to keep matches vibrant. Photo: Alex Caparros

A backlash is emerging against stadiums that devote too much space to VIP seats and boxes, such as the Arsenal Football Club's home stadium in London, Mr Carfrae said.

"There is a tension between how to make a bowl atmospheric for the fans, a place where they will chant and sing and go mad, and getting revenue from the business people," he said.
"If you slice the right in the middle of the bowl like is done [at Arsenal's stadium], you will get the nickname 'The Library.'"
Mr Carfrae, a structural engineer, has designed some of the world's leading sports stadiums, including China's national aquatic centre in Beijing (known as the "Water Cube") and the City of Manchester Stadium.
Corporate seating

While the UK's Premier League football stadiums typically have around one-third of seats in 60,000-seat stadiums allocated to VIPs, Australian stadiums still favour fans over business people.
But allocations of corporate seating and the quality of facilities provided to corporate sponsors at Sydney's stadiums are under review as the NSW Government prepares to spend some $600 million redeveloping the city's stadiums.
Currently, some 5000 of the 80,000 seats at the ANZ Stadium in Sydney's Olympic Park, which has 110 private suites, are allocated to corporate sponsors.
Sydney rugby league teams the South Sydney Rabbitohs and the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs had dedicated seating at the ANZ Stadium during last year's grand final with "The Burrow" at one end of the stadium and "The Kennel" at the other, helping create a better atmosphere.
'Better blend' in Australia

The Sydney Cricket Ground, which seats 48,000, has 113 outdoor corporate boxes as well as 73 suites and 10 function rooms, while nearby Allianz Stadium, which seats 44,000, has 106 outdoor corporate boxes, 57 suites and six function rooms.
The Melbourne Cricket Ground, which has a capacity of about 100,000, has 2500 seats dedicated to VIP suites, although sports teams that hire the ground can allocate other seats to sponsors.
Mr Carfrae said that Australia currently had "a better blend" between corporate and fan seating than many stadiums in the US or Europe. "The MCG has very good corporate facilities but it still has a great atmosphere."
But he cautioned a backlash against technology was emerging in Europe as some football fans complain about the prevalence of wifi, which has encouraged people to look at their phones rather than at the players on the ground.
 

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Sydney sport stadiums aren’t world class, football bosses say
August 13, 2015 12:00am

John LehmannThe Daily Telegraph




PREMIER Mike Baird is under mounting pressure to upgrade Sydney’s ageing sports stadiums, with three of the biggest football codes saying the city’s venues are not world-class.

The football bosses, rugby’s Bill Pulver, the NRL’s Dave Smith and soccer’s Dave Gallop, are united in their belief that Sydney needs a world-class rectangular stadium.

But while Mr Gallop *believes Homebush’s ANZ Stadium should be transformed into a permanent rectangular venue, Mr Smith and Mr Pulver are lobbying hard for a new 60,000-seat arena at Moore Park.


Frustrations are rising that the government is to adopt a piecemeal approach to stadium upgrades, despite spending almost nine months examining where to invest funds.

Mr Baird and Sport Minister Stuart Ayres are close to signing off on a new $350 million, 35,000-seat stadium for Parramatta. But Mr Baird is baulking at investing more than $600 million across Sydney’s main stadiums, despite Melbourne being on the verge of spending another $1 billion at the MCG.

Mr Pulver, the Australian Rugby Union CEO, said NSW was lagging behind other states, which would affect its ability to attract crowds and major entertainment events.

“NSW does not currently have a world-class dedicated rectangular stadium that *delivers to these standards in terms of capacity, fan experience, technology and quality of *facilities,’’ he said. Mr Smith, the NRL CEO, said Sydney needed a new venue close to the CBD at Moore Park, as well as a 35,000-seat stadium at Parramatta.

“Sydney’s western suburbs deserves a fair go,” he said. “This is a growth area which should have a world-class stadium at its doorstep.”



He said a 60,000-seat venue at Moore Park, replacing the 27-year-old Allianz stadium, would be serviced by light rail and fitted with wi-fi technology.

“Imagine if you could combine that stadium with an indoor centre, the upgraded SCG and Randwick racecourse. We would have a sporting precinct which would be the envy of the rest of Australia,’’ he said.

Other cities will pitch strongly to host NRL grand *finals when the code’s deal with ANZ expires after 2019.

“But if the NSW government was to commit to building this (stadium) network it would put Sydney back in the forefront,” Mr Smith said.

Mr Gallop, Football Federation Australia CEO, said a new Parramatta stadium was the code’s first priority as *demand for Western Sydney Wanderers’ tickets outstripped capacity.

I like this bit.........

Mr Baird and Sport Minister Stuart Ayres are close to signing off on a new $350 million, 35,000-seat stadium for Parramatta.

http://www.dailytele...2-1227481065185
 

Gronk

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Converting ANZ to rectangular is a bad idea.

Good footy stadiums put all the fans close to the action. At ANZ you are too far away from the actual surface.

Grounds like Suncorp (53,000)

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Or Millennium Stadium in Wales (74000)

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Are the benchmarks IMHO.
 

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Indeed Gronk.
I reckon Millennium Stadium in Cardiff is the best rectangular stadium in the world.
I'd be happy with one of those in Sydney. There's not much chance that ANZ will be demolished though, and fixing it will, as you say, just be window dressing.

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Why bother spending more money on ANZ??? And if they do it's less chance of a Parra stadium upgrade or rebuild. Gallop what a gimp.
 

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If you dug the field further into the ground, then it's just a matter of building more seats up to the edge of field. That way ANZ can be 'rectangular' plus have like 100,000 capacity.

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