Pakistan Test bowler fined for ball-tampering

[El Diablo]

Neither do you. So stop trying to make it look like you know it all.:crazy:

you're the dickhead who just jumped in and said you knew what the ICC wanted. i haven't even mentioned them

 

[JJ]

it was official. only 1 ICC official said not guilty.


6-1 must make Inzy feel all warm and fuzzy inside

you never mentioned them????

:whistle

what's official is that Inzy was NOT GUILTY

 

[Angry_eel]

you're the dickhead who just jumped in and said you knew what the ICC wanted. i haven't even mentioned them

Where did i say i knew what they wanted? i know about as much as you but i look at the case without the anti-subby bias.

This is what i said

I hair would have handled it like this i would have been with him. He just mucked it all up.

Ball tampering might be a problem in the Paki team i don't know and if it is they need to be punished.

So in other word i was with you. I agreed that it was the right decision, culprits should be punished. The extent of the punishement can be determined by the match officials.


and then you being the turd that you are, replied with this

yeah, they should just be allowed to get away with it :crazy:

so basically you attack me for saying it was the right thing. How do you know what the extent of the tampering was? maybe it was only small thats why he wasn't suspended.

 

[JJ]

her first reponse is always to lash out...

 

[El Diablo]

you never mentioned them????

correct

the ICC are the mob that runs it like Speed and co

 

[El Diablo]

Where did i say i knew what they wanted?

here

See thats what you want not the pakis or ICC.

So in other word i was with you. I agreed that it was the right decision, culprits should be punished.

liar

you said you didn't know if they needed to be punished. see below

Ball tampering might be a problem in the Paki team i don't know and if it is they need to be punished.

and then you being the turd that you are, replied with this

as pointed out above you didn't know if they should even be punished.

you like making it up as you go along?

so basically you attack me for saying it was the right thing. How do you know what the extent of the tampering was? maybe it was only small thats why he wasn't suspended.

there is no such thing as a small amount of ball tampering

the subbies can do no wrong according to you. you've always got some lame excuse

 

[Angry_eel]

here

Ok allright. Yes if they fined him then thats what they want, i know that because i have seen ther decision. Let see which backflip you will do now.

liar

you said you didn't know if they needed to be punished. see below

no dickhead, i don't know enough about the pakistani team. I don' watch their matches unless they are playing India or Australia. So i can't assume if they have a ball tampering problem or not. IF they have this problem they need to be properly punished by the ICC. Infact, whenever any player of any team is caught ball tampering, the match officials or the ICC should decide what punishment should be given.

as pointed out above you didn't know if they should even be punished.

you like making it up as you go along?

I know they(the team) should be punished severly IF there is a culture of ball tampering in their coaching/team. If an individual player tampers with the ball then he should be dealt with accordingly.

there is no such thing as a small amount of ball tampering

Yes there is, its called accidental. If its found to be accidental then the player shouldn't face as bigger punishement as they would face if it was deliberate.

the subbies can do no wrong according to you. you've always got some lame excuse

Who's making up things as they go along now? Where did i say that? Any one can do wrong be it Australian, Indian, Paki, Brit or whoever.

 

[El Diablo]

Ok allright. Yes if they fined him then thats what they want, i know that because i have seen ther decision. Let see which backflip you will do now.

lol

there you go again. the ICC havent said sh*t yet you say they wanted them fined. this is after you said you had no idea what the ICC wanted.

you're a nut

no dickhead, i don't know enough about the pakistani team. I don' watch their matches unless they are playing India or Australia. So i can't assume if they have a ball tampering problem or not. IF they have this problem they need to be properly punished by the ICC. Infact, whenever any player of any team is caught ball tampering, the match officials or the ICC should decide what punishment should be given.

there should be uniformed rules regarding these things. i'd wager Cricket Australia would hand out a harsher penalty than a pissy fine for fricken ball tampering.

I know they(the team) should be punished severly IF there is a culture of ball tampering in their coaching/team. If an individual player tampers with the ball then he should be dealt with accordingly.

in this case they weren't.

Yes there is, its called accidental. If its found to be accidental then the player shouldn't face as bigger punishement as they would face if it was deliberate.

lol

accidental ball tampering

now i've heard it all

twat

Who's making up things as they go along now? Where did i say that? Any one can do wrong be it Australian, Indian, Paki, Brit or whoever.

you don't have to say the exact bloody words. it's evident from your posts that you defend the subby sides NO MATTER WHAT.

 

[Angry_eel]

btw, you're assuming that since im arguing with you, im defending pakis. tbh, i couldn't care less if all their bowlers are suspended and banned. Im all for it IF they are guilty.

 

[El Diablo]

would you like India to nuke them?

 

[Angry_eel]

would you like India to nuke them?

Nope.

 

[JJ]

:lol: great stuff :roll:

 

[HevyDevy]

no, evidence should be presented and discussed in a rational manner...

Shame they had no evidence apart from some opinions on the ball - anyone can have an opinion on the ball...

So JJ, were the umpires wrong to penalise Zarai Taraqiati Bank Ltd five runs?

Sounds like it was an IDENTICAL case to the Hair one yet they're applauded for their actions.

So where's the difference?

 

[JJ]

So JJ, were the umpires wrong to penalise Zarai Taraqiati Bank Ltd five runs?

Sounds like it was an IDENTICAL case to the Hair one yet they're applauded for their actions.

So where's the difference?

apparently it's not identical, as the case was proven and a penalty handed down in addition to the 5 runs....

What is unclear to you?

 

[HevyDevy]

But the report says that the ZTBL team changed the ball "in the umpires' opinion" but that they "failed to spot the real culprit."

So if there is no actual proof, why are they going on the umpires' opinions? Why is it good enough for those umpires but not for professional umpires in Hair and Doctrove?

 

[JJ]

But the report says that the ZTBL team changed the ball "in the umpires' opinion" but that they "failed to spot the real culprit."

So if there is no actual proof, why are they going on the umpires' opinions? Why is it good enough for those umpires but not for professional umpires in Hair and Doctrove?

who knows, I wasn't on either panel evaluating the evidence, were you? -

one suspects that if there were 30 cameras focused on that game the tampering might have been caught on film :shock:

 

[JJ]

But the report says that the ZTBL team changed the ball "in the umpires' opinion" but that they "failed to spot the real culprit."

not the report El D provided

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20794157-23212,00.html

Pakistan fined for ball tampering
From correspondents in Karachi, Pakistan
November 21, 2006
PAKISTAN'S former domestic cricket champions were charged with ball-tampering in a first class match, officials said.

Umpires changed the ball and docked Zarai Taraqiati Bank Ltd (ZTBL) team five runs on the penultimate day of the match against Pakistan Customs in Karachi on Sunday, match referee Khalid Niazi said.

“In their (the umpires') opinion ZTBL team changed the condition of the ball but the umpires failed to spot the real culprit,” Niazi said in a statement.

Team captain Rao Iftikhar was fined $US83 ($108) as a collective punishment.

Paceman Mohammad Khalil, who has played two Tests for Pakistan, was called for a hearing but no evidence was found against him so he has been cleared, the match referee added.

The team won the league two years ago.

Ball-tampering allegations against Pakistan's national team snowballed into a major controversy during the fourth Test against England at The Oval in August this year.

Pakistan refused to return to the field after umpires Darrell Hair of Australia and Billy Doctrove of West Indies docked five runs against Pakistan and changed the ball, thereby forfeiting the match for the first time in Test history.

Captain Inzamam-ul-Haq was later cleared of ball-tampering charges but banned for bringing the game into disrepute.

Tampering cases have been reported in Pakistan's domestic cricket in the past as well and the Pakistan Cricket Board has given special instructions to deal with the menace.

JJ?

 

[JJ]

as I said, that's not what was in the original link you posted (see post #1 in this thread)...

but I already answered the question acouple of posts up...

perhaps the ball was clearly doctored? unlike the test one :shock:

 

[El Diablo]

perhaps the ball was clearly doctored? unlike the test one :shock:

6 men wiser than you say otherwise