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Pangai's 3rd party problem.

Legends

Juniors
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And the Rorters does add up? hehehehe

Klemmer - JWH
Ponga - Tedesco
Pearce- Keary
Guerra - Aubusson

Green - for 6 games .....versus SBW :oops:
McCullough- 50% paid for by Broncos.

Now go and compare the rest of the rosters. :rolleyes:

Fitzgibbon - Cordner :rolleyes:
Sione - Crichton :rolleyes:
Brailly - Friend :rolleyes:
Hunt - Hall :rolleyes:
Lee - Tupou :rolleyes:
Tuala - Manu :rolleyes:
Barnett - Radley :rolleyes:
Toa - Morris :rolleyes:

Etc etc etc etc......all of them stayed at the Rorters for well below their market value.....should have gone to the Saints.

I presume Flanagan joined for a pie and a coke? Dito the rest of the squad.

Player Manager: OK, I’ve got two contract offers for you – The Knights and the Roosters

The first one you have to move to Newcastle, get beaten up each week in a team that’s just won three wooden spoons, hasn’t played finals since 2013 and is coached by Nathan Brown.

The second option you get to play for the best performed and best managed club in Sydney, success is pretty much guaranteed and you get to play under the best young coach in the game. Your chances of rep football will increase and the extra earnings that come from that.

Player: I’ll think I’ll go to the Knights
 
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The following article is from the Sydney Morning Herald (source: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/br...unpaid-third-party-deals-20200825-p55p3j.html) -

Broncos deny salary cap breach over 'unpaid' third-party deals
By Chris Barrett and Michael Chammas
August 25, 2020 — 4.44pm

Embattled Brisbane are strongly rejecting suggestions of a possible salary cap breach over claims of unpaid third-party deals to Tevita Pangai jnr, arguing two companies who had shown interest in sponsoring the Broncos forward via legitimate channels had dropped out due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Facing the sack from the Broncos over a range of issues including multiple breaches of the game's biosecurity protocols, Pangai jnr has turned his guns on the club in a lengthy interview with the NRL integrity unit.

According to sources with knowledge of Pangai jnr's complaint, the Broncos forward told NRL investigators he had received a verbal promise of TPAs and other payments of $100,000 a year above and beyond his $700,000 salary, including a place in the game's $1.5 million marketing fund.

The guaranteeing of third-party agreements, or the failure to register them with head office, are against NRL rules and have been at the heart of some of the biggest scandals in the game over the past decade.

Brisbane, however, are vehemently denying any wrongdoing, with chief executive Paul White ringing the NRL on Tuesday to offer the Broncos' total and immediate cooperation in a bid to extinguish the latest spotfire threatening to engulf the publicly listed club.

Having been occupied with negotiations over coach Anthony Seibold's exit, Brisbane were blindsided by the allegations and maintain there were never any third-party promises made to Pangai jnr, who rejected an offer from New Zealand Warriors to re-sign last year until the end of the 2022 season.

Instead, the Broncos say that two companies expressed an interest in financially supporting the Tonga international earlier this year via their commercial department. Clubs are permitted to make an introduction between potential third-party sponsors and the players themselves. But sources in Brisbane say the companies who had been looking to link up with Pangai jnr ended up walking away when the coronavirus hit and no dollar figures were ever discussed.

The Broncos are also expected to deny guaranteeing Pangai jnr an additional income stream through the code's marketing fund, a pool of money set aside for marquee players which is distributed at the discretion of the NRL.

Sources say Brisbane had nominated him along with two other players for this year's fund, from which some stars have received more than $100,000, but he was not included.

While Pangai jnr has been served a breach of contract notice by the Broncos and is indefinitely suspended by the NRL because of repeated COVID-19 bubble transgressions, the other sub-plot to him taking his grievances to the integrity unit is a split with his agent, Isaac Moses.

The NRL already has the prominent player manager in its crosshairs, having in June announced an intention to cancel his accreditation he assisted former Parramatta captain Tim Mannah to give false and misleading information to an in-house investigation.

Moses will this week front an NRL hearing behind closed doors to appeal the proposed sanction, with Mannah to appear as the governing body's star witness.

His association with Pangai jnr is an obvious avenue of inquiry for the integrity unit as they determine whether or not to open a full-scale investigation into Brisbane but there is no suggestion the agent was involved in any breaking of NRL rules in this instance.

Moses did not return a call from the Herald on Tuesday. Brisbane and the NRL declined to comment.
 
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Klemmer, Ponga and Pearce are getting overs compared to the roosters you have them against as your club panic buys to get them out of the hole they dug for themselves. Combined they take up more than a third of your cap. Like you I’m speculating Without proof but it’s close enough.
You bought Guerra as a QLD rep. Aubo never played rep footy and is in twilight of his career. Are you really comparing their value?
Where are the saifitis in your emoji fest? Arguably your best player this year. Playing for a pie and a coke?

Also the Knights showed how smart they were with Kalynn Ponga. Even though he was already under contract on big money with years left to run on it, because of a hissy fit by him and his manager, they then sign him to a new upgraded contract which puts him (if media reports can be believed) amongst the highest paid players in the game. The guy is a good player but what has he actually achieved in the game to warrant that money?
 

jack coburn

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Truly Knight Vision your obsession with the roosters is bordering on embarrassing. Suck it up princess. Players go to clubs for unders and players go to clubs for overs.
We can all guess what players are on to suit our agenda.
As was said before Mitchell took 300k a year less to go to souths than what the tigers offered. Why do you think that was ?
Any player will tell you its a long year getting toweled up every week .
How many Broncos would take 350k instead of 450 to play with the storm or 800k instead of 1 mill.
I'd say probably all except Boyd who is retiring at the end of the year.
Your just making yourself look like a deadest sook.
Anyway Schools starting soon so don't be late or you will get detention.
 
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Player Manager: OK, I’ve got two contract offers for you – The Knights and the Roosters

The first one you have to move to Newcastle, get beaten up each week in a team that’s just won three wooden spoons, hasn’t played finals since 2013 and is coached by Nathan Brown.

The second option you get to play for the best performed and best managed club in Sydney, success is pretty much guaranteed and you get to play under the best young coach in the game. Your chances of rep football will increase and the extra earnings that come from that.

Player: I’ll think I’ll go to the Knights


You just had to stop there
 

Exsilium

Coach
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Also the Knights showed how smart they were with Kalynn Ponga. Even though he was already under contract on big money with years left to run on it, because of a hissy fit by him and his manager, they then sign him to a new upgraded contract which puts him (if media reports can be believed) amongst the highest paid players in the game. The guy is a good player but what has he actually achieved in the game to warrant that money?

This is what annoys me.It is salary cap sabotage by the agents.

Paying on potential is one thing but to upgrade an existing contract despite showing very little to deserve it, is the very reason clubs find themselves unable to move within the salary cap year after year.

Then if they don't get it, off they go. Despite having a binding agreement.

Its time to penalise agents and players for breaking contracts. Stop this merry-go-round bullshit.
 

gUt

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Good guys Brisbane unfairly targeted by the idiot mob once again, urged on by believing geniuses like TPJ, Kent and Hooper. Tune in this Friday night you clowns lol
 

Exsilium

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Brisbane needs to hit the reset button. They've sacked the coach. Now its onto the players, coaching staff and so on.

Shareholders, ex-players and current players can say what they want but ultimately, they form part of the culture which has festered for years.

Take a hint from the Dragons, jobs for the boys and ex-players weighing in on key business decisions doesn't always net you results.
 
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This is what annoys me.It is salary cap sabotage by the agents.

Paying on potential is one thing but to upgrade an existing contract despite showing very little to deserve it, is the very reason clubs find themselves unable to move within the salary cap year after year.

Then if they don't get it, off they go. Despite having a binding agreement.

Its time to penalise agents and players for breaking contracts. Stop this merry-go-round bullshit.

This might put a brake on it - https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nr...cts-after-addo-carr-case-20200822-p55od2.html
 

Delboy

First Grade
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Maybe TPJ rang Nick to ask how many golf games he would get if he signed for the Roosters :rofl::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: Who needs TPAs?
 

gUt

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How is probenecid administered, or did Webcke not cover that in his book?

Not sure why this is germane but because you're interested, it turns out he did cover it in his book:

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/i-...save-my-life-says-webcke-20061005-gdoj3y.html

RETIRED Brisbane prop Shane Webcke has denied he was the subject of a drugs cover-up, maintaining yesterday he could have died had he not taken the banned drug probenecid.

Webcke, who retired after helping the Broncos to a premiership win on Sunday night, avoided a fine or suspension for the 2001 positive sample and the case was never made public because the drug was used to treat a serious knee infection.

While rugby union player Ben Tune was publicly condemned - although not suspended - for similarly using the drug, and cricketer Graeme Rummans was banned for a month and fined $2000, Webcke's drugs nightmare was revealed only because he wanted it to be - in the pages of his autobiography, released yesterday.

But Webcke said yesterday: "There were no favours done for me."

A staunch anti-drugs campaigner, Webcke said he could have died after he picked up a knee infection during Brisbane's 2001 World Club Challenge campaign in the UK. Knee specialist Peter Myers administered probenecid to help fight the infection. The drug can be used as a masking agent for steroids.

"I went to hospital with an infection which my doctor told me had taken hold of the joint in my knee, [and] could have killed me," Webcke said. "Quite honestly he gave it to me purely on a health basis. The fact it was a masking agent was news to me when I was tested for it.

"At the end of the day I've been very honest about what happened, and I did nothing wrong. For someone to suggest I'm a drug cheat because of it is ludicrous and it doesn't trouble me at all."

The NRL's chief operating officer, Graham Annesley, refused to comment on the developments. At the time of the test, senior NRL management were apparently not informed about Webcke's positive sample.

Webcke avoided a penalty - and having the result made public - because under previous ASDA guidelines he presented "justifiable medical grounds" for the use of the banned substance.
 

AnonymousLurker

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This is what annoys me.It is salary cap sabotage by the agents.

Paying on potential is one thing but to upgrade an existing contract despite showing very little to deserve it, is the very reason clubs find themselves unable to move within the salary cap year after year.

Then if they don't get it, off they go. Despite having a binding agreement.

Its time to penalise agents and players for breaking contracts. Stop this merry-go-round bullshit.
But it’s okay for clubs to play games around players and contracts . Ok for clubs to shop around there players , ok for clubs to pay stupid money on long term deals on basis they will move player on to England or another club on final year or two , or sign overs for a player on long term client and retire before contract is up , or clubs with their TPAs driving price of players so clubs without TPAs pay stupid money to get any decent players .

No good blaming players and there agents , clubs are Far far worse . Until ALL contracts have to remain in place with clubs unable to move on players no matter what I say let the players and their managers play silly buggers aswell
 

Quicksilver

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But it’s okay for clubs to play games around players and contracts . Ok for clubs to shop around there players , ok for clubs to pay stupid money on long term deals on basis they will move player on to England or another club on final year or two , or sign overs for a player on long term client and retire before contract is up , or clubs with their TPAs driving price of players so clubs without TPAs pay stupid money to get any decent players .

No good blaming players and there agents , clubs are Far far worse . Until ALL contracts have to remain in place with clubs unable to move on players no matter what I say let the players and their managers play silly buggers aswell


Yes it is ok, because the player almost always gets paid.
 

Chimp

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Yes it is ok, because the player almost always gets paid.
Exactly - this argument about clubs doing it to players often gets trotted out (usually by players or ex-players). But there is a massive difference, when a club moves a player on, the player doesn’t lose money as the clubs agree a split of the salary. And ultimately, if the player refuses the move, they’re still paid their contract and generally still get picked if they’re good enough. There might be the very rare example of a player being punted to reserves (who would usually be picked in first grade) over a contact situation, but this isn’t usually the case. Only ones I can think of are players who probably weren’t deserving a place in first grade anyway (Greg Eastwood is the only one I can think of).
As things stand; the players and managers have an unfair advantage. As soon as they’re playing better than their agreed salary, they kick up a stink and managers start causing issues - club really only has choice to pay them more, let them go, or play hard ball, but player will sook and not play to potential and manager will start causing issues with other players in their stable at the same club in retaliation... if they’re not playing to their potential and value though, the club doesn’t get a refund, they just have to swallow it, or try move them on, but pay the excess freight the another club isn’t willing to pay.
The player can’t lose, the clubs get screwed over and their entire salary cap planning is goosed.
 

Perth Red

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Looks like Broncos will wiggle out of this one again. It was only a verbal conversation and Broncos saying it was never guaranteed and didn't eventuate therefore they had no reason to inform the NRL. They dodged another bullet lucky buggers!
 

_Johnsy

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Good guys Brisbane unfairly targeted by the idiot mob once again, urged on by believing geniuses like TPJ, Kent and Hooper. Tune in this Friday night you clowns lol

I’m fairly confident the above was tongue in cheek, in the off chance it wasn’t.

To be fair, one of your CEO’s gave evidence during a criminal trial stating the out of salary cap cash payments were made to players.

IMO that practice has been common place at Brisbane, as it has and would be at other clubs. How the Broncs have escaped any media scrutiny for this practice is astounding.
 
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