papenhuyzen

[baggygreen man]

a 2nd rower that can tackle

We have four of those, the Couchman twins, S'ua and Russell.

What I dont want to be hearing from footy scribes is that Bird is a 5/8 option. A headless chook makes a better organizer than he does.

 

[baggygreen man]

Tracey hasn't played in the halves for a while.

Yeh fooled by his profile. So those stats I read are him playing fullback for 10 matches last season. Other than his running metres he dont exactly scream 'buy me', very little to offer in game management.

 

[Victoire]

We don't need Paps we need a half, a prop or two, a 2nd rower that can tackle and pass and some speedy wing/centre options.
He's great on his day but he also has averaged just 10 games a year over the last 3 years, 1 try per game, 1 try assist every second game and an average 78% tackle efficiency over the last 3 years. For what you'd have to pay him it's just not viable. Not just because he's injury prone but also because we're the Dragons not the Storm and that's relevant on a whole bunch of levels.
Flanno said no panic buying and this fits that bill.

People on this forum seem weirdly fixated on the tackle efficiency stat

Completed tackles don't always mean a better defender, especially for backs. I'll give you 2 broad examples.

An edge forward might rush up in defence on an opponent playmaker to "get in his face". With a bit of quick footwork the playmaker may beat the tackle one-on-one, but due to being rushed and forced to move by that edge forward, the attack still breaks down and he's tackled by someone else. This is successful defence - but recorded as a missed tackle, and subtracted from his efficiency

Example 2. Matt Feagai is defending on his wing - misreads the attack and the ball sails wide to an unmarked attacker to score without Feagai laying a hand on him. Unsuccessful defence, with no missed tackle recorded by Feagai

 

[kit66]

We have four of those, the Couchman twins, S'ua and Russell.

What I dont want to be hearing from footy scribes is that Bird is a 5/8 option. A headless chook makes a better organizer than he does.

Didn't the Couchmen come through the grades as props ?

 

[kit66]

People on this forum seem weirdly fixated on the tackle efficiency stat

Completed tackles don't always mean a better defender, especially for backs. I'll give you 2 broad examples.

An edge forward might rush up in defence on an opponent playmaker to "get in his face". With a bit of quick footwork the playmaker may beat the tackle one-on-one, but due to being rushed and forced to move by that edge forward, the attack still breaks down and he's tackled by someone else. This is successful defence - but recorded as a missed tackle, and subtracted from his efficiency

Example 2. Matt Feagai is defending on his wing - misreads the attack and the ball sails wide to an unmarked attacker to score without Feagai laying a hand on him. Unsuccessful defence, with no missed tackle recorded by Feagai

Not really my point but thanks for the footy lesson.

 

[TheRev]

Dufty was the master of 'supervising' tries being scored from a safe distance.. and hence not being guilty of a missed tackle.. Sloan isnt as bad but often not even in the frame to attempt a tackle.

Give me a bloke who throws his body @ a 10% chance of stopping a try.. and bugger the stats.

 

[TheRev]

Didn't the Couchmen come through the grades as props ?

In their interview they said they were 2nd rowers.. so I dunno if Griffin or someone worked out that their best longterm fit was as props.. but ill just back Flanno to figure it out.. its been confusing me all year.

 

[TheRev]

Rally bummed about missing Curran, was such a good fit for our squad.. As for papa.. I dont even have an opinion, if its a good $ offer then maybe, whatever the coach wants to do tbh.. the pluses with Paps is he's a) marketable so we are an easier sell for other players, and b) he probably improves our teams defence with his organisational skills at the back and c) he could actually be a club captain, we need some heads like that in the squad... we dont heave leaders.

This assumes he stays on the field ofcourse..

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

Dufty was the master of 'supervising' tries being scored from a safe distance.. and hence not being guilty of a missed tackle.. Sloan isnt as bad but often not even in the frame to attempt a tackle.

Give me a bloke who throws his body @ a 10% chance of stopping a try.. and bugger the stats.

If only there was a stat for failed intercept attempts that led to tries. Dufty would have ranked supreme. Nevertheless I still fondly remember his broken play running and bullet cut out pass.

 

[Victoire]

Dufty was the master of 'supervising' tries being scored from a safe distance.. and hence not being guilty of a missed tackle.. Sloan isnt as bad but often not even in the frame to attempt a tackle.

Give me a bloke who throws his body @ a 10% chance of stopping a try.. and bugger the stats.

Reece Walsh is the anti-Dufty. He piles up the missed tackle stat because he busts his ass every time to get there

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

Rally bummed about missing Curran, was such a good fit for our squad.. As for papa.. I dont even have an opinion, if its a good $ offer then maybe, whatever the coach wants to do tbh.. the pluses with Paps is he's a) marketable so we are an easier sell for other players, and b) he probably improves our teams defence with his organisational skills at the back and c) he could actually be a club captain, we need some heads like that in the squad... we dont heave leaders.

This assumes he stays on the field ofcourse..

Flanno said we weren't going to panic buy. Doesn't look like we're going to any-other-sort-of-buy either.

 

[rasaint]

Stay calm everyone because no one is coming arh haha

 

[blue bags]

Papiz could be a five eight in the future. Like alot fullbacks. Moving up to play 58.
Long term project

 

[baggygreen man]

People on this forum seem weirdly fixated on the tackle efficiency stat

So does the NRL.

 

[baggygreen man]

Papiz could be a five eight in the future. Like alot fullbacks. Moving up to play 58.
Long term project

Seems he being shopped off to another club was a hoax.

 

[baggygreen man]

Papiz could be a five eight in the future. Like alot fullbacks

Sloan too or half. He already has the ball skills and vision, but can Flanagan see it. I say his immediate priorities before season starts are a session with a psychologist then onto the tackle bags, into the gym, then start him in Reggies while he works on his match fitness.

 

[justadragon]

We have four of those, the Couchman twins, S'ua and Russell.

What I dont want to be hearing from footy scribes is that Bird is a 5/8 option. A headless chook makes a better organizer than he does.

Ahh that would be a headless SLOW chook !!

 

[Trifili13]

Papiz could be a five eight in the future. Like alot fullbacks. Moving up to play 58.
Long term project

We will probably buy him when is 58

 

[baggygreen man]

Ahh that would be a headless SLOW chook !!

spot on mate , add CRAB as he spends more time crabbing across field.

 

[baggygreen man]

Praise the Might of the Kangaroos!!!!