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Poupou Escobar

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As usual Pou, it’s easy to disagree, the club allowed Tuavati to play a whole season in Flegg . Then have him do another full NRL pre season and judged he was now ready, but then again you know best ( or at least try to tell us you do )
He played that season in Flegg while still eligible for SG Ball ffs. He is 20 this year. He could be playing Flegg again next year but he won’t.
 

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Well, that pretty much supports that most potential NRL players, play cup at 20.....didnt Tuivaiti play NRL at 20?

Not sure of the point you are making...
Pou was basically suggesting playing Flegg meant the player wasn’t good enough, as he should be playing agst men at 18/19.Most forwards do take time to mature to play in the front line, there are exceptions like Adam Ritson and Mark Omeley , but caution is mostly warranted.

Liam Martin played Cup until he was 22 for instance and it made him a much improved and better starter. Anyway.think I’m on the right side , so let’s agree to disagree over the matter.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Not entirely the whole point is progressing through the grades and developing he played Flegg last year and now is playing CUP and NRL...
Nobody’s saying they should bypass Flegg. The best SG Ball players move up to Flegg when SG Ball ends and often end up being the best players there too. Not many of them hang around Flegg for long. They’re in reserve grade as soon as they’re ready, e.g. Renisini, Tuivaiti, Guymer, Pryke, Arthur, Talagi and Sanders.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Liam Martin played Cup until he was 22 for instance and it made him a much improved and better starter. Anyway.think I’m on the right side , so let’s agree to disagree over the matter.
And started playing NSW Cup at 20. He left Flegg well behind and had played over 30 games in reserve grade by the age of 22. But there was no Flegg (now under 21s) when he was 20. He played in the old NYC (under 20s) comp. The year he turned 20 he finished the year in reserve grade. The year he turned 21 he didn’t play Flegg at all. As you’d expect from a player with NRL potential.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Good for the path?
He basically did his time in Flegg last year....
Along with Riley Smith..
Tuivaiti was in Flegg at 19 not 21 ffs

Smith was a late bloomer. Penrith put him in Flegg at 18 but he was still there at 20. They gave him one game in reserve grade. Then he came to Parra and was still playing Flegg at 21. Late in the season we gave him some games in NSW Cup. He did well to develop over the off season. As I said, late boomer. It’s why Penrith let him go.

We have a bunch of 21 year olds in Flegg right now who might bloom late but most likely won’t make it. Do we hang onto all of them in case they are all outliers? They need to make room for the SG Ball graduates.
 

Poupou Escobar

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age to level of football played is the perfect metric to judge young talent for a person who doesn't watch the game
People who watch the game thought Nick Lenaz and Larry Muagatutia were going to be first graders ffs. I’ll stick with the judgment of the professional pathways staff thanks.
 

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Tuivaiti was in Flegg at 19 not 21 ffs

Smith was a late bloomer. Penrith put him in Flegg at 18 but he was still there at 20. They gave him one game in reserve grade. Then he came to Parra and was still playing Flegg at 21. Late in the season we gave him some games in NSW Cup. He did well to develop over the off season. As I said, late boomer. It’s why Penrith let him go.

We have a bunch of 21 year olds in Flegg right now who might bloom late but most likely won’t make it. Do we hang onto all of them in case they are all outliers? They need to make room for the SG Ball graduates.

Sam also progressed through Flegg. That's ze point merkin.

We promote the ones that are ready to progress to NSW CUP when we move on certain players currently in cup.
 

Joshuatheeel

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Pou was basically suggesting playing Flegg meant the player wasn’t good enough, as he should be playing agst men at 18/19.Most forwards do take time to mature to play in the front line, there are exceptions like Adam Ritson and Mark Omeley , but caution is mostly warranted.

Liam Martin played Cup until he was 22 for instance and it made him a much improved and better starter. Anyway.think I’m on the right side , so let’s agree to disagree over the matter.
No one is disputing players need time to develop, especially forwards.

No one is saying playing flegg isn't good enough, however this discussion is around that a good guide of a players potential to play NRL is playing open age footy (reserves) by 20 years old. Both players you mention did that.
 

Joshuatheeel

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Ok, here's some evidence/context around nrl squads being made up of players that have played open aged footy by 20 (happy to be corrected if any errors)

Canberra

Used 23 players this year, 16 debuted by 20, 7 didn’t make their NRL debuts by 20:

- 2 are UK players (Nicholson, Smithies), both debuted at 19 in Super league

- 3 debuted by 21 (Mariota, Horsburgh, Pattie), They all played NSW cup at 20

- Fogarty was 23 for his NRL debut and played reserves at 21

- Hosking was 25 for his NRL debut and played reserves at 21


Panthers

Used 28 players. 13 debuted by 20, 15 didn’t make their debuts by 20:

- 8 debuted by 21 (Jenkins, Laurie, Leota, Smith, To’o, Kenny, Martin, Henry) Jenkins/Laurie/Leota/Smith/To’o/Martin/Kenny player NSW cup at 20. Henry at 21

- Hassett debuted at 22, Riki at 26, Garner at 23, all played reserves at 20

- Geyer debuted at 23, Sommerton at 23, both played reserves at 21

- Toelau debuted at 25, played reserves at 22

- Eisenhuth debuted at 25, played reserves at 23. Had tumor in knee


So from 51 players:

- 44 players either played NRL or reserves by 20, only 7 did not, 86% of the players

- 49 players either played NRL or reserves by 21, only 2 did not (and one had a medical condition), that’s 96% of the players
 

Poupou Escobar

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Sam also progressed through Flegg. That's ze point merkin.
Your point was that I'm full of shit because I said future first graders shouldn't be playing Flegg at 21. I stand by it. Flegg at 19 is a good milestone for a player with NRL potential. Flegg at 21 shows a player is either behind in his development or is never going to make it.
 

Poupou Escobar

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No one is disputing players need time to develop, especially forwards.

No one is saying playing flegg isn't good enough, however this discussion is around that a good guide of a players potential to play NRL is playing open age footy (reserves) by 20 years old. Both players you mention did that.
It's like you're the only merkin in this thread who can read ffs
 
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