Parramatta Stadium Rebuild and other stuff

[Suitman]

I guess that is good in the sense if we ever have reason to want to expand it we can just knock that down and expand it pretty quickly to the said 35k.

Hold on fella.
This stadium won't be extended anytime soon. It'll get re-built completely before the option of expansion is considered.
The western (corporate) side is the only side that is a fully concrete structure. Huge job and expensive to knock down/rebuild that one side.

 

[strider]

So if they didn’t have all those corporates then we would have got the 35k that was wanted?

Well we have no idea how many tight suck up toffs they will squeeze into that concrete jungle all looking for free piss and prawns

 

[Suitman]

Well we have no idea how many tight suck up toffs they will squeeze into that concrete jungle all looking for free piss and prawns

There's a shit load of corporate boxes on that side. The take up might be good when the stadium opens, but I think both the Eels and Wanderers would struggle to fill them in lean years.

 

[Gronk]

NSW govt stadium plan under the spotlight

Several big players from Sydney's sporting world and infrastructure experts are expected to address a public inquiry into the NSW government's controversial stadiums plan.

The stadium strategy, which has prompted some community backlash, is to knock down and rebuild Allianz Stadium and significantly upgrade ANZ Stadium at a cost of about $1.5 billion.

Parramatta Stadium has also been knocked down and will be rebuilt for around $300 million.

The government wound back its initial plans to raze ANZ and rebuild the former Olympic stadium at a cost of more than $1 billion.

A joint parliamentary inquiry was launched in April to scrutinise how the stadiums' strategy was developed, its economic justifications and possible impact on communities.

The final public hearing will be held on Monday with the heads of National Rugby League, Football Federation Australia, Cricket NSW, Sydney Cricket and Sports Ground Trust and the Australian Rugby Union expected to be quizzed.

The inquiry will also hear from the chief executive and advisers of Infrastructure NSW - an independent body which helps the government identify and prioritise critical public infrastructure.

Former NSW Liberal leader John Brogden, the Office of Sport, KPMG, Venues NSW, the Sydney Olympic Park Authority and the City of Sydney have previously addressed the inquiry.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/08/06/03/33/nsw-govt-stadium-plan-under-the-spotlight

 

[The Quest For Glory]

Where will the Roosters play whilst they renovating Allianz

They should go back to Henson Park

 

[TheRam]

Parramatta is very well served by public transport.
Unless you want a railway station right outside the front door.

Yes please.

All new stadiums need a train station outside the door. This is Sydney, the most awkwardly designed and therefore transport difficult city to get around in. Also the most competitive entertainment city in the country and which has the most snobby attitude people who live here. Put those 3 things together and you wonder why our crowds are shit?

People here are to indifferent and will not make an effort if there are any perceived obstacles of hardship or discomfort put in front of them. They will either stay at home or do something local for a few hours before going home again to watch the game on their shit awesome giant TV screen with all the comforts of home at their fingertips.

That is what the NRL still don't fully get. They give plenty of lip service, but don't really do anything to address this most fundamental issue that goes hand in hand with stadiums. They should lobby hard and demand that a train station is also part of any new or refurbished stadium. I read somewhere that there is a push to get a train station built outside the redeveloped Allianz stadium. Well I hope it actually happens, otherwise it will once again be a white elephant for RL, with the main tent being the least motivated RL fans having the biggest most expensive and best new club stadium in the country.

I know that there is the light rail, but that isn't going to help people coming from most regions of the city. Only trains can do that. People from all other regions of Sydney need to feel and know that one simple train ride will deliver them and their kids, to the doorstep without any public transport or parking issues and not see it as an ordeal, especially at night in the middle of winter and during bad weather.

 

[Snoochies]

Hmm I recall the Luke Foley demanded a business case be released and it showed that it would be used by Eels Tigers Dogs and WSW. Plus the Waratahs from time to time.

I don’t think they were serious and I took it as fudging the numbers to get the project over the line.

Be a weird feeling being the away team when playing the dogs and tigers.

 

[Gronk]

Yes please.

All new stadiums need a train station outside the door. This is Sydney, the most awkwardly designed and therefore transport difficult city to get around in. Also the most competitive entertainment city in the country and which has the most snobby attitude people who live here. Put those 3 things together and you wonder why our crowds are shit?

People here are to indifferent and will not make an effort if there are any perceived obstacles of hardship or discomfort put in front of them. They will either stay at home or do something local for a few hours before going home again to watch the game on their shit awesome giant TV screen with all the comforts of home at their fingertips.

That is what the NRL still don't fully get. They give plenty of lip service, but don't really do anything to address this most fundamental issue that goes hand in hand with stadiums. They should lobby hard and demand that a train station is also part of any new or refurbished stadium. I read somewhere that there is a push to get a train station built outside the redeveloped Allianz stadium. Well I hope it actually happens, otherwise it will once again be a white elephant for RL, with the main tent being the least motivated RL fans having the biggest most expensive and best new club stadium in the country.

I know that there is the light rail, but that isn't going to help people coming from most regions of the city. Only trains can do that. People from all other regions of Sydney need to feel and know that one simple train ride will deliver them and their kids, to the doorstep without any public transport or parking issues and not see it as an ordeal, especially at night in the middle of winter and during bad weather.

Allianz does not need a $5 gabillion train station that gets used once in a blue moon. Talk about white elephants. They will have a light rail stop out the front which is direct from Central FFS.

BTW they are high capacity carriages and at peak times will be 67m long !



The swans got 40,000 on Saturday night. It's not the transport that is the problem at Moore Park. It's the product.

 

[TheRam]

Allianz does not need a $5 gabillion train station that gets used once in a blue moon. Talk about white elephants. They will have a light rail stop out the front which is direct from Central FFS.

BTW they are high capacity carriages and at peak times will be 67m long !

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The swans got 40,000 on Saturday night. It's not the transport that is the problem at Moore Park. It's the product.

Hardy. Well when there are only 2 teams in all of Sydney and if we still got below 10000k fans at games then I may agree with you. The Roosters are hardly a shit team. They are just an un-liked team by most of Sydney. They gave up on the locals 30+ years ago to the Union and the AFL. I mean how no one in the media don't take them to task over their negligence at junior level and fostering fans correctly is beyond a joke. All they ever say about the area is that it has been taken over by Union and AFL. Well how did they get it so right and the Roosters and RL in general get it so wrong? That is the power of someone like Nick Politis I suppose.

Nothing to see here. Just carry on.

 

[Gronk]

Hardy. Well when there are only 2 teams in all of Sydney and if we still got below 10000k fans at games then I may agree with you. The Roosters are hardly a shit team.

When there are only two teams in Sydney ? Good grief. Yes mate when that happens we can build your fancy train station, or maybe your children's grand children will be able to get there via their Quantum Teleportation App on their Iphones.

 

[Suitman]

The metro station that @TheRam is talking about is being mooted as part of an extended Westmead - Parramatta - Olympic Park - City line (Metro 2), which is being mooted to maybe being extended through to Oxford St, Moore Park, Zetland and on to Maroubra Junction.
Any new rail system needs turn back and train holding yard facilities. This isn't possible at the city end of this metro project so an extension beyond the city to the east or south east is a must.
Therefore a station at Moore Park is a possibility. It certainly doesn't need to be a white elephant.
Trains could just not stop there when events aren't on, but it would come into its own on event days. It would also compliment the light rail.
The City - Parramatta metro is also going to interchange with the North West rail link which will by 2024 be finished all the way to Bankstown so Moore Park would be accessible to large parts of the population.

 

[TheRam]

When there are only two teams in Sydney ? Good grief. Yes mate when that happens we can build your fancy train station, or maybe your children's grand children will be able to get there via their Quantum Teleportation App on their Iphones.

Mate don't come the raw prawn with me. You're the one comparing us to a team that is virtually a one town team. So it would be a bit more genuine if we compared apple with apples. By the way, I do agree that the Swans and the AFL do a much better job then the Rooster or the NRL in knowing how to foster support/fans, juniors, government contributions, image/branding and almost everything else associated with their product then the NRL has since Arthurson and Quayle.

We in general are a disgrace of a billion dollar sport that has let down all its share holders for a quarter of a century now. Will we ever see this shit stop? I fear it will be to late if it ever does. We are almost there now. Most of the young kids of today couldn't give a toss about league. Will that translate into loving another sport, who knows,? But if they couldn't give a toss about RL, then as far as that sport is concerned, it is end game and the most hilarious thing is that neither the clubs or the governing body give a "F" enough to do something about it other then the occasional cover our arse lip service.

 

[TheRam]

The metro station that @TheRam is talking about is being mooted as part of an extended Westmead - Parramatta - Olympic Park - City line (Metro 2), which is being mooted to maybe being extended through to Oxford St, Moore Park, Zetland and on to Maroubra Junction.
Any new rail system needs turn back and train holding yard facilities. This isn't possible at the city end of this metro project so an extension beyond the city to the east or south east is a must.
Therefore a station at Moore Park is a possibility. It certainly doesn't need to be a white elephant.
Trains could just not stop there when events aren't on, but it would come into its own on event days. It would also compliment the light rail.
The City - Parramatta metro is also going to interchange with the North West rail link which will by 2024 be finished all the way to Bankstown so Moore Park would be accessible to large parts of the population.

I don't believe I have to say this, but with so many idiots on here, thank you for having some common sense.

 

[forward pass]

That scoreboard placement takes up a lot of seating space x 2.

 

[Suitman]

That scoreboard placement takes up a lot of seating space x 2.

It sure does.
I hope that has been taken into account with the capacity claim of 30000.

 

[Gronk]

The metro station that @TheRam is talking about is being mooted as part of an extended Westmead - Parramatta - Olympic Park - City line (Metro 2), which is being mooted to maybe being extended through to Oxford St, Moore Park, Zetland and on to Maroubra Junction.
Any new rail system needs turn back and train holding yard facilities. This isn't possible at the city end of this metro project so an extension beyond the city to the east or south east is a must.
Therefore a station at Moore Park is a possibility. It certainly doesn't need to be a white elephant.
Trains could just not stop there when events aren't on, but it would come into its own on event days. It would also compliment the light rail.
The City - Parramatta metro is also going to interchange with the North West rail link which will by 2024 be finished all the way to Bankstown so Moore Park would be accessible to large parts of the population.

Yes but that is mooted for possible expansion in the future.

https://www.sydneymetro.info/sites/...ey-Metro-West-Project-Overview-March-2018.pdf

Ram said it should be built for the new Allianz stadium. Hence if it was done, it would certainly be a white elephant. There are no residents within cooee of Moore Park other than South Paddington terraces.

Stage 1 construction will begin on the new line by 2022, while trains will begin to carry passengers in the second half of next decade. So if stage 2 ever gets approved, it will be completed in what 2040+ ?

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...sites-for-new-metro-line-20180323-p4z5vw.html

 

[Suitman]

Yes but that is mooted for possible expansion in the future.

https://www.sydneymetro.info/sites/...ey-Metro-West-Project-Overview-March-2018.pdf

Ram said it should be built for the new Allianz stadium. Hence if it was done, it would certainly be a white elephant. There are no residents within cooee of Moore Park other than South Paddington terraces.

Stage 1 construction will begin on the new line by 2022, while trains will begin to carry passengers in the second half of next decade. So if stage 2 ever gets approved, it will be completed in what 2040+ ?

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...sites-for-new-metro-line-20180323-p4z5vw.html

Not 2040 for the reason I gave above. You might find that stage 2 becomes part of Stage 1 and it is all built at once. Transport policies change regularly. The Sydnenham - Bankstown upgrade has already been scaled back. If Foley gets in next year (god forbid), he claims it won't even happen (though it will because contracts will have been signed by then.)
As for the white elephant claim, I suggested an answer to that above. If you have an issue with Rams claims, reply to him.

 

[Eelogical]

It sure does.
I hope that has been taken into account with the capacity claim of 30000.

We can always go back to the future now that we will have have a roof.

 

[Gronk]

Not 2040 for the reason I gave above. You might find that stage 2 becomes part of Stage 1 and it is all built at once. Transport policies change regularly. The Sydnenham - Bankstown upgrade has already been scaled back. If Foley gets in next year (god forbid), he claims it won't even happen (though it will because contracts will have been signed by then.)
As for the white elephant claim, I suggested an answer to that above. If you have an issue with Rams claims, reply to him.

Sure if stage 1 and 2 are constructed concurrently they will still be completed a decade after Allianz is finished. So 2035 instead of 2045.

 

[hineyrulz]

They should go back to Henson Park

Ground is still too big for their fans.