Parramatta Stadium Rebuild and other stuff

[Parra]

Are people really abandoning owning a car that much that 1000 odd units are adequately served by 650 odd car spaces?

It is very poorly thought out state wide planning policy. Opens up much more land for high density devlopment and cuts development costs.

It could have been done win-win. But is just pro-developer.

 

[Twizzle]

Council is the one making the decisions, not the developers.

Its all part of the approval process.

 

[Parra]

It is a pro development policy it is assessed against by whatever approval authority. Likely the council isn't the determining authority anyway.

This is not a criticism of the development or the developer. Not really an issue for this thread.

 

[Suitman]

It is a pro development policy it is assessed against by whatever approval authority. Likely the council isn't the determining authority anyway.

This is not a criticism of the development or the developer. Not really an issue for this thread.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you.
It is kinda relevant to this thread......particularly the development in Parramatta, as whether these are commercial or residential developments, they are bringing more people into the Parra CBD, which is means potential fans and members, and a more vibrant city for pre/post game experience.
Anyway, curious to know your views on why high density near transport options is a poorly thought out planning policy.

 

[Parra]

Have a look at what is happening near Schofields or Quakers Hill stations for examples. Or the buildings going up near the fiddler.

The concession for these developers should require them to provide commuter parking, not add to the problem. You live out there, you need a car. Even if you are close to a train station. Commuters face up to a 1k+ walk from a parking space at those places already. And the locals are then faced with all the resulting problems.

This policy suits Parramatta, Chatswood, the cbd etc. Does not work well in other suburbs.

 

[Suitman]

Have a look at what is happening near Schofields or Quakers Hill stations for examples. Or the buildings going up near the fiddler.

The concession for these developers should require them to provide commuter parking, not add to the problem. You live out there, you need a car. Even if you are close to a train station. Commuters face up to a 1k+ walk from a parking space at those places already. And the locals are then faced with all the resulting problems.

This policy suits Parramatta, Chatswood, the cbd etc. Does not work well in other suburbs.

Fair enough. I'm certainly aware of what is happening westwards at places like Rouse Hill/North Kellyville/Box Hill/Schofields etc. I frequent the place regularly through my work.
What you will find when the NWRL opens, is that new bus services will be more comprehensive throughout the area, focused towards the metro stations, thus relieving the need for many of these people to drive to stations looking for parking. I've posted a couple of examples below.

What annoys me most though, and it has nothing to do with high density units, is the thousands upon thousands of houses being built in these areas without the upgrade of local roads such as Annangrove Rd, Glenhaven Rd, Withers Rd, Hezlett Rd, Foxall Rd etc.... FFS, even Samantha Riley Dr is still a half built abortion.
Developers, of which there are many, are responsible for the development of the road and street frontage in front of their proposals, so it has been a hotch potch of a bit of new rd here, a bit of new rd there. Foxall Rd is the perfect example. These roads are now major thoroughfares, choked with traffic continually at intersections. Glenhaven Rd should have been 4 lanes years ago. FFS, the state govt just announced widening Memorial drive in Kellyville to 4 lanes. Should have been done 20 years ago. Showground Rd in Castle Hill has only just been done. That should have been done 30 years ago.

I agree though, that the planning policy is ok for some areas, and not for others. One size does not fit all.
Anyway.....

This is indeed, poor planning policy.

 

[Parra]

NW metro will ease parking only slightly. Hopefully will alleviate traffic a bit. If it was a real train that linked in at Schofields then we'd really see a difference. As it stands ( and stand is the right word) the new line will be great for people to commute to norwest business park, macquarie park and chatswood. Currently that is a drive unless tine is of no consequence.

The policy we are discussing also allows high rise with minimal parking in castle hill fown near the showground. Good luck living there without a car as well.

 

[Suitman]

NW metro will ease parking only slightly. Hopefully will alleviate traffic a bit. If it was a real train that linked in at Schofields then we'd really see a difference. As it stands ( and stand is the right word) the new line will be great for people to commute to norwest business park, macquarie park and chatswood. Currently that is a drive unless tine is of no consequence.

The policy we are discussing also allows high rise with minimal parking in castle hill fown near the showground. Good luck living there without a car as well.

Eventually, NWRL will link into Schofields. Then onto St Mary's and Badgerys Creek Airport. They have reserved a corridor to extend the line that way. Infrastructure takes time. Don't forget that we are in this position because for decades, governments did nothing. We are now playing catchup.
And, you will be pleased to know that one major developer (I believe it was Mirvac) has already pulled out of the Showground precinct due to demands from the Hills Shire Council that their transport plan was insufficient and the apartment sizes were too small. A victory of sorts.

Anyway...….

 

[Parra]

It's new. It will be good. An improvement. For over a decade there has been lip service with the empty busways.

What I meant was integrated heavy rail. Not a link to rail, but a trains that would run on the same tracks. As it stands we tore out the existing rail from epping to chatswood and then deliberately constructed tunnels that cannot accept larger trains in future.

I have no doubt that patronage will improve when it goes all the way to the city. Chatswood for a change at peak times? No way would a sane person want to go near that. Bring on stage 2.

Problem with plans is that they stay there - just plans. We end up with missing links like the end of the m4 or m2 and pennant hills road.

Glad things are finally being done.

 

[hindy111]

Its all part of town planning regs. If you develop in an area like this you get credits for proximity to public transport.

Sounds false. I operate on facts and proof. Please provide before make such outrageous statements.

 

[hindy111]

Fair enough. I'm certainly aware of what is happening westwards at places like Rouse Hill/North Kellyville/Box Hill/Schofields etc. I frequent the place regularly through my work.
What you will find when the NWRL opens, is that new bus services will be more comprehensive throughout the area, focused towards the metro stations, thus relieving the need for many of these people to drive to stations looking for parking. I've posted a couple of examples below.

What annoys me most though, and it has nothing to do with high density units, is the thousands upon thousands of houses being built in these areas without the upgrade of local roads such as Annangrove Rd, Glenhaven Rd, Withers Rd, Hezlett Rd, Foxall Rd etc.... FFS, even Samantha Riley Dr is still a half built abortion.
Developers, of which there are many, are responsible for the development of the road and street frontage in front of their proposals, so it has been a hotch potch of a bit of new rd here, a bit of new rd there. Foxall Rd is the perfect example. These roads are now major thoroughfares, choked with traffic continually at intersections. Glenhaven Rd should have been 4 lanes years ago. FFS, the state govt just announced widening Memorial drive in Kellyville to 4 lanes. Should have been done 20 years ago. Showground Rd in Castle Hill has only just been done. That should have been done 30 years ago.

I agree though, that the planning policy is ok for some areas, and not for others. One size does not fit all.
Anyway.....

This is indeed, poor planning policy.

Your telling me. I could make a bowl of spaghetti in that member cap I was sent. Its huge.

 

[hindy111]

As far as city planning goes wouldn't it be easier to create more jobs and cities away from Sydney and in other directions. Why do so many offices need to be in the CBD? Put a few larger ones out at Richmond and Penrith so the people do not have to use the roads as much. With internet and technology these days its less needed to be in CBD.

 

[Suitman]

What I meant was integrated heavy rail. Not a link to rail, but a trains that would run on the same tracks. As it stands we tore out the existing rail from epping to chatswood and then deliberately constructed tunnels that cannot accept larger trains in future.

You're aware aren't you that the metro will have a capacity far greater then the old, slow and cumbersome double deckers?
You're aware aren't you that they have more doors, allowing for quicker emptying/alighting of the train, therefore the dwell time is less?
You're aware aren't you that they are driverless and computerized, therefore they can run closer together? As close as 2 mins 20 seconds apart?
You're aware aren't you that they accelerate quicker, they brake harder, and have higher top speeds (up to (112 kmh in testing)
You're aware aren't you that they don't have to share tracks with other lines, so that any delays on the CityRail system will not affect this line?
You're aware surely that we didn't rip out any lines or change any tunnels to accommodate this metro? Adjustments were made to the Epping to Chatswood section to make it metro friendly such as platform screen doors and extending the width of platforms so there is barely a gap between the train and the platform, making it more user friendly and safer all who use it.
Changing at Chatswood will not be an issue when the extension to Bankstown is complete (2024), and it will provide 3 extra city stations (Barangaroo, Pitt St North (Martin Place) and Pitt Street south) , lessoning the load on Town Hall and Wynyard and indeed Central, which will also have new underground platforms.

 

[Parra]

We've all read the brochures.

Want to buy a monorail while you are at it?


If you are saying these stand-up metros use the same lines as the heavy rail then that is news to me. Good news. I thought they changed.

 

[strider]

As far as city planning goes wouldn't it be easier to create more jobs and cities away from Sydney and in other directions. Why do so many offices need to be in the CBD? Put a few larger ones out at Richmond and Penrith so the people do not have to use the roads as much. With internet and technology these days its less needed to be in CBD.

People still want to meet face to face ... hence the reluctance to be 1hr+ away from everyone else

 

[strider]

You're aware aren't you that the metro will have a capacity far greater then the old, slow and cumbersome double deckers?
You're aware aren't you that they have more doors, allowing for quicker emptying/alighting of the train, therefore the dwell time is less?
You're aware aren't you that they are driverless and computerized, therefore they can run closer together? As close as 2 mins 20 seconds apart?
You're aware aren't you that they accelerate quicker, they brake harder, and have higher top speeds (up to (112 kmh in testing)
You're aware aren't you that they don't have to share tracks with other lines, so that any delays on the CityRail system will not affect this line?
You're aware surely that we didn't rip out any lines or change any tunnels to accommodate this metro? Adjustments were made to the Epping to Chatswood section to make it metro friendly such as platform screen doors and extending the width of platforms so there is barely a gap between the train and the platform, making it more user friendly and safer all who use it.
Changing at Chatswood will not be an issue when the extension to Bankstown is complete (2024), and it will provide 3 extra city stations (Barangaroo, Pitt St North (Martin Place) and Pitt Street south) , lessoning the load on Town Hall and Wynyard and indeed Central, which will also have new underground platforms.

You cant really accelerate/deccelerate a whole lot quicker. All those merkins standing up are gonna be falling like skittles

I hope the people of the NW are all fit and healthy. Standing for 1hr trips on a full train wont be alot of fun. I realise there will be more regular trains, but the population is going berko, the peak trains will be full. ... and as already said, the transition period prior to theline going all the way is gonna be a nightmare.

Im not being down on the govt, it is great they are finally doing things. We are just so far behind playing catch ups that i dont know if we will ever actually catch up

 

[84 Baby]

Fair enough. I'm certainly aware of what is happening westwards at places like Rouse Hill/North Kellyville/Box Hill/Schofields etc. I frequent the place regularly through my work.
What you will find when the NWRL opens, is that new bus services will be more comprehensive throughout the area, focused towards the metro stations, thus relieving the need for many of these people to drive to stations looking for parking. I've posted a couple of examples below.

What annoys me most though, and it has nothing to do with high density units, is the thousands upon thousands of houses being built in these areas without the upgrade of local roads such as Annangrove Rd, Glenhaven Rd, Withers Rd, Hezlett Rd, Foxall Rd etc.... FFS, even Samantha Riley Dr is still a half built abortion.
Developers, of which there are many, are responsible for the development of the road and street frontage in front of their proposals, so it has been a hotch potch of a bit of new rd here, a bit of new rd there. Foxall Rd is the perfect example. These roads are now major thoroughfares, choked with traffic continually at intersections. Glenhaven Rd should have been 4 lanes years ago. FFS, the state govt just announced widening Memorial drive in Kellyville to 4 lanes. Should have been done 20 years ago. Showground Rd in Castle Hill has only just been done. That should have been done 30 years ago.

I agree though, that the planning policy is ok for some areas, and not for others. One size does not fit all.
Anyway.....

This is indeed, poor planning policy.

Jesus! Foxall Rd a major thoroughfare? (Truth be told, I know it is now) Even I remember when that was a dirt road

 

[84 Baby]

Im not being down on the govt, it is great they are finally doing things. We are just so far behind playing catch ups that i dont know if we will ever actually catch up

If you ever get the chance, check out the new morgue in Lidcombe. I was amazed at the sheer amount, let alone cost, of tech that went into that place. And it’s a f**king morgue! Led me to wonder why the government don’t go to that level with all their developments.

 

[hindy111]

You cant really accelerate/deccelerate a whole lot quicker. All those merkins standing up are gonna be falling like skittles

I hope the people of the NW are all fit and healthy. Standing for 1hr trips on a full train wont be alot of fun. I realise there will be more regular trains, but the population is going berko, the peak trains will be full. ... and as already said, the transition period prior to theline going all the way is gonna be a nightmare.

Im not being down on the govt, it is great they are finally doing things. We are just so far behind playing catch ups that i dont know if we will ever actually catch up

People need to stop having orgasms ffs.

And stop the immigration for 10yrs.

 

[hindy111]

People still want to meet face to face ... hence the reluctance to be 1hr+ away from everyone else

I am sure they could have meetings once a week and get a train in?