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Parramatta Stadium Rebuild and other stuff

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Reduced capacity on the cards for rectangular ANZ Stadium

A redeveloped ANZ Stadium could have a capacity as low as 65,000 – a scenario that would hurt Sydney's chances of attracting major events in the future, such as a football World Cup final.

More than 12 months after the state government announced a $1.6billion Sydney stadia plan, the allocation of those funds remains uncertain beyond a new stadium at Parramatta being built at a cost of $360 million.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian has backed predecessor Mike Baird's pledge last year to prioritise redevelopment of the Olympic stadium, which was bought by the state government last year for around $200m, over an upgrade to Allianz Stadium. However, amid reports of a cost blowout that would see the price of a new ANZ Stadium balloon from a projected $750m to more than $1bn, a business case for the redevelopment of the venue is being prepared for the NSW government.

It is understood that one lower-cost option being considered for presentation is for the stadium seating to be reduced from a planned 75,000 capacity to between 65,000 and 70,000.

The ground's current capacity is 83,000 but there are concerns about what impact such a significant reduction could have on Sydney's ability and pulling power when it came to vying for major events. Should Australia ever be awarded the football World Cup, for instance, FIFA's stadium requirements demand that the opening game and final of a World Cup be played at a venue with a capacity of at least 80,000.

News of the alternative being floated as the ANZ business case is finalised comes as NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg calls for work to begin on the stadium before a projected start date in 2019.

Greenberg has also sought a meeting with Berejiklian in the next fortnight to stress the code's desire for the stadium to be a world-class rectangular venue amid a push by Tony Shepherd, the chairman of Greater Western Sydney Giants as well as the SCG Trust, for it be oval shaped in order to be able to stage AFL and cricket matches. After years of lobbying and intense debate, the NSW government last year decided to rule in favour of providing the majority of its stadia investment into ANZ Stadium over Allianz Stadium.

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It ended an ambitious push from NRL powerbrokers, NSW sports minister Stuart Ayres and the SCG Trust to build a new 60,000-seat stadium at Moore Park.

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Artist's impression of a rectangular ANZ Stadium.
A 30,000-seat stadium at Parramatta was agreed upon as the first priority, with construction under way to have the new venue up and running in time for the 2019 NRL season. It was predicted the redevelopment of ANZ Stadium would then begin at the completion of Parramatta Stadium and take four years to finish with matches to be played at the Olympic venue throughout the construction phase.

However there is an option to now close down the stadium for two years, halving the construction period to fast-track the redevelopment and allow play to resume in 2021.

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Four sides: Artist's impression of a rectangular ANZ Stadium for State of Origin.
During the reconstruction of ANZ Stadium, it's likely the NRL would take Sydney State of Origin matches to the SCG, with the grand final likely to go on the road to Brisbane for at least one year during that period.

It is understood SCG Trust powerbrokers are lobbying to get the state government to backflip on its original allocation, pushing for a 40,000-seat stadium on the existing site instead of their original bold proposal for a 60,000-seat stadium on Centennial Park and Moore Park Trust land.

Allianz Stadium tenants, the Roosters, Waratahs and Sydney FC, all turned against Ayres last year after claiming they were "cheated" during negotiations in which they were given guarantees a new stadium would be built on a different site to their current home.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-rectangular-anz-stadium-20170731-gxmkdt.html
 

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Giant turf war brewing between NRL, AFL and GWS over ANZ Stadium

A new turf war has broken out between the AFL and NRL after Greater Western Sydney indicated they will oppose plans to transform ANZ Stadium into a rectangular venue.

The NRL is hoping the state government will use a sizeable chunk of the $1.6 billion it has set aside for stadium upgrades to turn ANZ Stadium into a state-of-the-art rectangular venue. However, Giants powerbrokers want the ground to retain the flexibility to be used as an oval in order to stage their marquee matches.

It is understood the powerful AFL, a sporting body that has an impressive track record of securing government funding to expand its footprint, is right behind GWS' bid to retain a presence at the Olympic venue. The development puts the codes on a war footing as they attempt to win the hearts, minds and wallets of Sydneysiders.

"We would rather see it stay as an oval that could handle major oval events, whether that be cricket, AFL, Commonwealth or Olympic Games," GWS chairman Tony Shepherd told Fairfax Media.


"The flexibility of making it multi-purpose is good. On the other hand, I certainly agree that it should be modified to make it more suitable for rectangular games. That might mean moveable seats and things like that – the experience for smaller games in rectangular mode could be improved from a spectator point of view quite considerably.

"We've got a magnificent oval stadium, it's not that old but needs some investment. It would be good to keep that flexibility for the future."

GWS plays its home games at Spotless Stadium, which has a capacity of about 24,000. However, the Giants want to continue to stage marquee games, such as finals fixtures and their home derby against the Sydney Swans, at the 80,000-seat ANZ Stadium.

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"We got over 60,000 there last year for a final against the Swans," said Shepherd, who is also the chairman of the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust.

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Rectangular change: An artist's impression of a rectangular ANZ Stadium.
"That's a great result for the stadium itself, for western Sydney, for the AFL and the state.

"If we have the capacity, let's use it. We only have one other alternative and that's to play it at the SCG. That's the fallback. That's not terribly attractive to our Greater Western Sydney fans.

"If I've got my Greater Western Sydney hat on, I think it would be good for our fans and for football in general to keep that flexibility [at ANZ]."

GWS have been around the top of the AFL ladder all season and are slowly but steadily increasing their following. Their poaching of former Broncos, Maroons and Kangaroos star Israel Folau is proof they are prepared to take rugby league head on in their bid to become the dominant sport in the Harbour City.
"[The AFL] would support keeping it as an oval – I see that as a positive," Shepherd said.

"They would be happy for us to play big home games for the Giants at ANZ.

"At the moment, we don't have that need other than for marquee games. Spotless is a wonderful boutique arena – I think they are looking at expanding its capacity and that would be good for both us and for the Big Bash Cricket. We're very happy [at Spotless], it's a great ground and everyone enjoys the experience. But every now and then we'll have a biggie and it would be nice to have the capacity there right next door.

"When you're making these decisions you have got to look at the future and our trajectory. Without big-noting ourselves, we feel our trajectory is positive."

The government's allocation of funding to ANZ Stadium remains clouded after NSW Minister for Sport Stuart Ayres said it would be contingent on the venue's business case for a state-of-the-art rectangular venue. Any decision would have massive ramifications for its major league tenants South Sydney, Canterbury, Wests Tigers and St George Illawarra.

It was originally estimated the transformation would cost about $700 million, although a leaked government document suggesting a cost blowout has been viewed in some quarters as a ploy to divert funding towards Allianz Stadium, which falls under Shepherd's jurisdiction as SCG Trust chairman.

Shepherd said cricket would also benefit if ANZ Stadium retained the option to be used as an oval.

"You can bring the Big Bash there," he said.

"I'm biased, but I believe the SCG is the best cricket ground in the world, so we will always have the Tests and the big international games there. But the Big Bash is roaring, attendances are up. I think at times Spotless Stadium will find it difficult to cope, so we need to find the capacity to do that.

"It also then enables you to have international competitions in cricket and T20 or one-dayers to have the flexibility of having ANZ and the magnificent, beautiful SCG to play a tournament and have games going simultaneously.

"We are a sports-loving country and state, we are the biggest and best state in the Commonwealth, so having a couple of [major oval] facilities would seem to me to not be extravagant."


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phantom eel

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Hope the rectangular forces win... and not concerned about the reduced capacity to reign in cost blowout at all - it just means there'll be less shit seats!

GWS can have Spotless Stadium to themselves out at Blacktown. Swans seem happy with SCG. Cricket's in a mess, but also belongs at the SCG. Post Olympics, there is no need for the new ANZ to be an oval.
 

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Hope the rectangular forces win... and not concerned about the reduced capacity to reign in cost blowout at all - it just means there'll be less shit seats!

GWS can have Spotless Stadium to themselves out at Blacktown. Swans seem happy with SCG. Cricket's in a mess, but also belongs at the SCG. Post Olympics, there is no need for the new ANZ to be an oval.

FYI, Spotless is at Homebush (the Showground), not at Blacktown.

Personally, I prefer to keep ANZ as an oval/multi-purpose stadium. AFL and cricket are major sports in this city and therefore having the ability to seat >70,000 somewhere is worth it for an 'international' city.
Besides, once the Western Sydney Stadium is open we won't have ANZ as our home ground, so the shit atmosphere will bother some of us less.
 

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FYI, Spotless is at Homebush (the Showground), not at Blacktown.
Thanks. But same diff, for all the attention anyone pays that team....

They can have Spotless at Homebush, and whatever their funded oval ground at Blacktown is called!

My thinking is that if the new ANZ stadium at Homebush is propeely rectangular (maybe even with coat-saving standing seats!) the WSW rabble might embrace it and free up our Stadium more often - for the benefit of a resurgent Eels!
 

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Thanks. But same diff, for all the attention anyone pays that team....

They can have Spotless at Homebush, and whatever their funded oval ground at Blacktown is called!

My thinking is that if the new ANZ stadium at Homebush is propeely rectangular (maybe even with coat-saving standing seats!) the WSW rabble might embrace it and free up our Stadium more often - for the benefit of a resurgent Eels!

Ignoring whether the WSW fans are 'rabble' or not, I don't see a problem with them and the Eels sharing the new WSS. The Eels can play a maximum of 14 home games there a year (based on 12 h/a rounds and 2 home city finals) and assuming another NRL team shifts their home games there, you are probably looking at a maximum of 26-30 NRL games a year, ever.

That leaves pretty much 6 months of the year the stadium would be free for WSW or anybody else to use.

And any Eels resurgence would have little impact on this.

Who cares who else uses the ground if there is no clash with the Eels use of it and why care?
 

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Ignoring whether the WSW fans are 'rabble' or not, I don't see a problem with them and the Eels sharing the new WSS. The Eels can play a maximum of 14 home games there a year (based on 12 h/a rounds and 2 home city finals) and assuming another NRL team shifts their home games there, you are probably looking at a maximum of 26-30 NRL games a year, ever.

That leaves pretty much 6 months of the year the stadium would be free for WSW or anybody else to use.

And any Eels resurgence would have little impact on this.

Who cares who else uses the ground if there is no clash with the Eels use of it and why care?
You know why
 

Ring Gids

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FYI, Spotless is at Homebush (the Showground), not at Blacktown.

Personally, I prefer to keep ANZ as an oval/multi-purpose stadium. AFL and cricket are major sports in this city and therefore having the ability to seat >70,000 somewhere is worth it for an 'international' city.
Besides, once the Western Sydney Stadium is open we won't have ANZ as our home ground, so the shit atmosphere will bother some of us less.

Agreed. If you were building it from scratch today, make it rectangular, but I don't understand the point of basically tearing down a perfectly usable (not necessarily good) stadium.
 

phantom eel

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Agreed. If you were building it from scratch today, make it rectangular, but I don't understand the point of basically tearing down a perfectly usable (not necessarily good) stadium.
My same thoughts re building a whole new stadium at Parramatta - didn't really need to be done imo.
 

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My same thoughts re building a whole new stadium at Parramatta - didn't really need to be done imo.

The only difference is that it was 13 years older, and showing a lot of signs of age. I think ANZ is still in really good condition.

But of course the funds could have been better spent elsewhere that would have had a greater impact of the wider community of nsw.
 

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If any of you merkins actually gave a shit, you'd get your drones out and post weekly aerial pics of the stadium progress.

Get to it. I'll wait here.
 

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