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Parramatta Stadium Rebuild and other stuff

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Agreed.
That diversion to Sydney Central and then back out to Parramatta and WSIA is just stupid.
Just run it through Sydney Olympic Park or Parramatta.
My preference would be Sydney Olympic Park as there is far more clear space there to build the large station required than anywhere in Parramatta.
People can then transfer to the WS Metro and get to Parramatta in 6 minutes, and Hunter st in the city in 15 minutes.
It would save billions and billions of $$.

Stations are expensive, particularly when they are underground. Parramatta just doesn't have the space for one and honestly, nor does Central. Both stations are planned to be 4 platforms which means they will be huge. They need to be almost 3 football fields long as well.

If they really want to go through Central, don't bother going through Parramatta and WSIA.
Just go straight to Campbelltown and beyond and let the WS Metro do the rest of the work to Parra and WSIA.

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https://www.afr.com/companies/infra...m_campaign=companies&utm_term=product_feature

Hong Kong’s metro giant wants to help develop Sydney transport sites

The new chief executive of Hong Kong’s massive metro system says it wants to develop swathes of property around transport corridors in Sydney as it vies for the right to build a new station at Parramatta in the city’s west.

Jeny Yeung became chief executive of MTR Corporation, the Hong Kong-listed company behind the city’s mass-transit system and a major property business in its own right, on January 1.

She said similar models to the business strategies used in Hong Kong could make new rail and station developments more sustainable.

“In Hong Kong, both we develop the communities and also at the same time, use the land that is being developed, the value extracted from those lands, to fund the railway,” she said in an interview while in Sydney to meet Minns government officials. She declined to comment on the auction process for the right to develop the Parramatta metro station site.

MTR, which operates some 271 kilometres of metro lines in Hong Kong as well as the Sydney Metro’s existing lines and Melbourne’s metropolitan rail services, is in one of two consortiums shortlisted to develop the station.

The NSW government wants to use the area around the new Parramatta station, which will be part of the Sydney Metro West line that is under construction, for housing, offices, shops restaurants, community areas and car parking.

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The development has been going gangbusters at Hills Showground metro station. (My local).
It's about time that other Hills stations started to take up the slack, and it's now happening.

301 & 301B Samantha Riley Drive, Kellyville
• Construction of mixed used development including a 5-storey podium and 4 residential buildings ranging from 21 to 38 storeys, comprising: − 1,208 dwellings including approximately 10% affordable housing and a variety of dwelling types including 1, 2 and 3-bedroom apartments and 3 townhouses. − 9,122m2 of non-residential floor space including an at grade neighbourhood supermarket, retail, food and beverage, and a centre-based childcare centre facility. − Basement level, incorporating carparking. • Public domain and landscaping improvements, including: − Internal access network featuring roads and pedestrian paths. − New purpose built communal and private open space and associated landscaping and stormwater management. • Utility and stormwater connections.

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No RSLs or Leagues Clubs with their "Eelectriques" disco until 2am 3 nights a week.

Well, that's a plus. Whatever happened to garage bands ?

They don't have to be great, but so many musos now days cant play live because of all the doof doof shit. They actually get better the more you drink.
 
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This is what happens when you outsource (cheap) infrastructure from overseas instead of making it at home like we used to, I guess... (Article)

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Of course, this has to somehow only be NSW Labor or the RTBU's fault... with no link at all to practices started under the previous NSW LNP government of ordering trains from Korea that were too fat for the regional lines, tunnels and stations, resulting in cost and time blowouts for the replacements of the V-Sets.
 

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^^^^

Let's get a few things straight.

Firstly, the A and B sets (Waratahs) currently running on the Sydney trains system and still in service, were initially partially built in China and were ordered by Labor. There were delays. Shells delivered to Newcastle from China for assembly then suffered further problems, as seen below.


The joint venture between Downer EDi Rail and Hitachi was established to design, manufacture and commission the A sets.[4] The stainless steel bodies were partially constructed by CNR Changchun Railway Vehicles in China before being shipped to Downer EDI's Cardiff Locomotive Workshops facility in New South Wales for final assembly, testing and commissioning.[4] This was the first export of any rail vehicle by China to a developed country.[18] The manufacturing facility at Cardiff received an upgrade of over $20 million to cater for the needs of the project.[4] Other infrastructure works included the construction of the Auburn Maintenance Centre and new substations at various locations around the network.[19]

A four car pre-production test train was built to test the train sub-systems and compatibility with the Sydney suburban network.[4] This was intended to allow any issues with the train to be corrected before the production trains entered service.[4] The test train was expected to perform trial runs from mid 2009,[4] but did not begin network testing until April 2010.[20] The pre-production train concluded testing in August 2010.[21] The first production set began network testing in August 2010[21] and by November 2010, three sets were undergoing testing.[22]

The first trains were scheduled to be introduced in late 2010, but a series of delays pushed back their introduction.[23][24] The first train intended for service (A3) was delivered to then-operator CityRail for acceptance on 20 April 2011.[25] CityRail had 20 business days to accept or reject the train, but a decision was postponed by two weeks to allow Downer EDi to correct further defects.[26] CityRail rejected the train due to safety concerns and a number of defects.[27] The defects included; 'milky' effect windscreens – apparent when under direct sunlight, poor-quality steel welding as evident in the indents seen on some areas of the carriage exterior, gaps in the plastic moulding, handrails not lining up with stairs and software problems.[9][28]

Once the majority of the problems were resolved by Downer EDi, CityRail allowed A3 to commence service, though operating under special conditions.[29] It entered service on 1 July 2011,[30] operating its maiden run from Redfern to Macarthur via the City Circle and Airport. Initially, it operated two return services from the city to Macarthur via the Airport line during the off-peak period on weekdays, and all day on the Airport & East Hills and South lines on weekends. On 14 October 2011, A3 became the first Waratah set to operate during peak hours.[31] As more Waratahs became available, the trains were progressively rolled out to most lines of the Sydney suburban network. On 2 June 2014, it was announced that the final A set (A80) had been delivered.[19]

Originally, the Waratahs were intended to replace all 500 S set carriages,[32] but in February 2013 it was revealed that some S sets would still be required in order to provide services on the South West Rail Link.[33] An option existed to extend the order, but in March 2013 the government indicated it would not take this up.[34]


So, Labor has also previously outsourced the supply of trains to the Sydney Trains system to overseas contractors.
Go figure?

Secondly, when the original V-SETS (Australian designed and built) were ordered, the Blue Mountains tunnels had to be widened, so your claim is not a first and has nothing to do with overseas built trains.

Thirdly, the delay to the new Intercity fleet replacement of trains was largely due to the RTBU Union demands to ensure that there were guards on these services.
The trains were designed to have no guards, with the technology installed to ensure that was the case.
Just like the fact that no trains in Victoria have guards.
The RTBU somehow seem happy for that to be the case in one state, but not another.
However, stupid David Elliott (Liberal transport minister at the time) caved in to the union's demands and agreed to rip out all of this already paid for and modern technology from the Intercity fleet of new trains. It cost over a billion dollars of our state taxes to retrograde these trains, just so a dope could stand at the back of the train to ring a bell and tell the driver when he could proceed, and open and close doors. All things the driver could have done.
But no. Years of delays of the introduction to the fleet, costly delays (agreed to by the Liberal govt at the time) to satisfy a union. And at an extraordinary cost to the NSW taxpayer.

Lastly, the delay to the (cheaper) bought overseas off the shelf Western Sydney Airport trains is neither here nor there considering the delay to the construction of the line itself. It's not as if they could have been already here and testing on an unfinished/in-complete line. MSM outrage that you have fallen for.
It's just another delay in transport infrastructure since state Labor came to office.
The list just grows of Labor infrastructure failures.
It's why NSW is always playing catch-up.
 

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Absolutely. My 19 year old daughter and her friends love music and go to many concerts, but living in the Hills they don't really have the same access to nightclubs, etc. that we had "back in the day". No RSLs or Leagues Clubs with their "Eelectriques" disco until 2am 3 nights a week.

Not large scale concerts. Just garage bands, open mic nights etc....
 
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Not large scale concerts. Just garage bands, open mic nights etc....
There's two outdoor spaces - one in parramatta square, and (if it's still there) the amphitheatre just down the mall past the old town hall - that seem terribly underused for that sort of thing in the evenings. Creating a vibe, and then it can go from there casually into some venues nearby and accessible to the station.
 
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Laugh all you like at my post Bart.
Deny however, any of it is untrue.
TL|DR actually...

My preceding post was just (sarcastically) giving you the platform, for the anti-NSW Labor post that we all knew you'd go on to make.

You should put them all together as an ebook one day... "Memoirs of a man eternally grumpy about infrastructure spends"!
 

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There's two outdoor spaces - one in parramatta square, and (if it's still there) the amphitheatre just down the mall past the old town hall - that seem terribly underused for that sort of thing in the evenings. Creating a vibe, and then it can go from there casually into some venues nearby and accessible to the station.

You need small quirky bars /venues. Not large ones
 
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