Parramatta Stadium

[TheParraboy]

We should build a mega state of the art 51,000 seat stadium imo

Each seat should be large enough to equip a personal 48cm high definition flat screen (for replays on tap) ......plus a mini fridge under the seat.

 

[bartman]

Perhaps people are looking at fickle on a week to week basis, rather than using the 20 year average as eveidence we don't fluctuate in good times and bad, and under certain conditions?

We are definitely well supported, and of that we can be proud. But it doesn't mean that there won't be any 9,000 crowd howlers for us either. The extra capacity will be good for the couple of sold out games per season, but as a club we have to lift that average (even if it is better than other Sydney clubs) so that it's better value to play at the ground, regardless of capacity.

To make a comparison, you can't get near some of the English Premier League grounds to watch a match, regardless of their massive size there's a waiting list for people to be able to even get season tickets, let alone a casual ticket on match day. That's the potential for Parra if we lift the season average to say 18,000, then the extra stand becomes a very important issue at the Stadium in terms of helping more people attend.

At the moment 14,000 is good, but look at that first season average - 19,600. That's what I'm talking about, that's what we get could get if fans weren't fickle. Even in our best season since, 2001, the average was 16,671 - still 1st in the league but 3,000 down on what we've done before per game. And look at our worst year 1995, only 8,300 - that's fickle.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

At the moment 14,000 is good, but look at that first season average - 19,600. That's what I'm talking about, that's what we get could get if fans weren't fickle. Even in our best season since, 2001, the average was 16,671 - still 1st in the league but 3,000 down on what we've done before per game. And look at our worst year 1995, only 8,300 - that's fickle.

19,600 was when we had a wining culture, and had some of the greats of the game in our side, 16671 was good, but we got our bigger crowds towards the end of that year also.

as for 95?, did you go to any games?, i certainly didn't, any side that had Johny Brewer and John Frare in it you'd have to pay me to be there. Also, eveb though we only won 3 games all year, was that 8,000+ that bad?, actually i bet that average was better still then other sides that yeat who were alot more succesful, anyside who wins 3 games all year will struggle for crowds in any sport.

 

[Suitman]

as for 95?, did you go to any games?, i certainly didn't, any side that had Johny Brewer and John Frare in it you'd have to pay me to be there.

Wow - you better be prepared to be called fickle - 'cause that's what some of these people will see you as.

By the way, I can see the point you are trying to make.
I also think the word "fickle", is generally used to boost people's own ego's.

Suity

 

[TheParraboy]

hey , I used to go to heaps of games in the early-mid 90's

It was brilliant being able to put your feet on top off and over the seat in front of you cause there was no one there, very relaxing times watching the footy.....

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Wow - you better be prepared to be called fickle - 'cause that's what some of these people will see you as.

By the way, I can see the point you are trying to make.
I also think the word "fickle", is used generally used to boost people's own ego's.

Suity

:lol: I no ey, but 95 was a busy time for me actually with Studies and Footbal ironically, so going to games was pretty tough, and actually i went to more Canterbury games then Parra that year, only because my side and rp side used to play before the other grades, and we had to sit around and watch

Did go to our 22-16 win over the scum that year though

 

[Ron Jeremy]

hey , I used to go to heaps of games in the early-mid 90's

It was brilliant being able to put your feet on top off and over the seat in front of you cause there was no one there, very relaxing times watching the footy.....

Went ot every home game in 93,94, some in 95, heaps in 96, every game in 97

 

[Kurt Angle]

I don't know if you know statistics RJ, but if you wanted to determine how 'fickle' a opulation is, you don't use averages, you use standard deviation.

I personally believe Parra to be the most fickle team in Sydney. In terms of latent support, Parra is the most popular club in Sydney, without doubt, and a team that is winning for most of the year like in 2001, will get massive crowds all year.

But for us and our fickle fan base, you can get 21,000 tickets sold 3 days before the game one week, then 7,000 turn up against the cowboys one week later.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Canterbury and the Roosters are without a doubt the most fickle, believe me.

I've seen Canterbury games where there 23,000 there, then the next week 6,000 many times.

Our base is around 10,000, only when we are doing considerable bad we get under.

Please don't make me get the stats to prove it as i couldn't be f**ked, but will do it to prove my point.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Our worst crowd against the Cowboys is about 8,000, 2003, when we came back to win the game when we were gone.

 

[fish eel]

Wow - you better be prepared to be called fickle - 'cause that's what some of these people will see you as.

By the way, I can see the point you are trying to make.
I also think the word "fickle", is generally used to boost people's own ego's.

Suity

I think we do have a large amount of fickle fans.

I think Parramatta fans these days are quite quick to turn on their side and each other when things are going rough.

But I don't think that only going to games when we are winning alone makes one a fickle fans. People have limited money, and choices to make. If you've got a bunch of over paid clowns not putting in, I couldn't blame anybody for wanting to spend their money elsewhere.

 

[Stagger eel]

I think every club especially Sydney based clubs have fickled supporters, as fish says people respond to performances and in a city like Sydney where there's so much to do it's quite evadent.

 

[The Colonel]

but averages don't lie, 14,000 isn't fickle

It may not be fickle but how many of them are opposition fans as well?

The pointy of the matter is Ron an average of 14,000 in a 21,000 seat stadium isn't going to see the capacity increased. If we were averaging close to 18 or 19 thousand then there would be some cause for the ground capacity to be increased.

 

[PARRA_FAN]

I read somewhere the capacity was gonna be close to 30,000. Now that was years ago, even before 2001. I have not heard anything since, or anything to suggest the stadium is or isnt gonna be redeveloped.

So when we actually got crowds of 22-23,000 why did they reduce the capacity? In 2005 and this season the crowds have been around 18,000- 20,000, even earlier in the season when we were strugglin. If Parramatta goes well next year and hopefully get crowds of 18,000-20,000 lets see if Denis still has plan for stadium increase.

 

[The Colonel]

Not sure they will redevelop when the only thing the ground is used on a regular basis for is the rugby league. There is some soccer and school boy football but outside of that its not much. The talk in regard to redeveloment was when soccer, NRL and a proposed Super 14 team were going to use the gorund....

 

[fish eel]

Not sure they will redevelop when the only thing the ground is used on a regular basis for is the rugby league. There is some soccer and school boy football but outside of that its not much. The talk in regard to redeveloment was when soccer, NRL and a proposed Super 14 team were going to use the gorund....

I'm quite certain the original plan included a second stage development of a second level of seats on the hill, which would have been covered.

In fact, I'm more than certain, because I was shown the plans at the time the most recent work was being done.

At the time though I'm pretty sure the club only sought to get the first stage done, and were going to look at the other work at a later stage.

I now think there is none and buckley's chance of the extra seats being put in, given there is already a number of stadiums Sydney and homebush is a stone throw away.

Also, the ground, as Colonel said is only used for half the year. The most likely future tennant would be an A-league side....but I would think a second Sydney side is more than a few years away.

 

[bartman]

as for 95?, did you go to any games?, i certainly didn't, any side that had Johny Brewer and John Frare in it you'd have to pay me to be there.

Yeah I did, every home game. Wasn't the most fun or exciting season, but in sport you can't have a winning year every year.

Also, eveb though we only won 3 games all year, was that 8,000+ that bad?, actually i bet that average was better still then other sides that yeat who were alot more succesful, anyside who wins 3 games all year will struggle for crowds in any sport.

And there I think you've hit it on the head. That's why our club (and most other clubs) can be described as having fickle support, no matter what the avergaed out total across 20 years may be. Simple fact is it goes up and down on a weekly and yearly basis for various factors, and that is fickle.

I don't think we're any more fickle than any other club, if that's what you're trying to say by arguing we're not fickle? But with crowds fluctuating between 8,000 and 21,000 in recent years, it's a brave person that says Parramatta fans are not fickle at all. All I conclude from the stats is that we have 8,000 fans who are not fickle - that's our baseline guarantee. The rest come with a winning culutre, which in most people's minds even if it's entirely understandable can still be called fickle.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Bartman, that's exactly right, if we're fickle, then what does that say about the other RL teams is Sydney. We're no fickle then anyone else, actually less fickle then the rest.

However, with every sport, 3 wins all year, they won't get the support, so basically every sports fans are fickle?

 

[TheParraboy]

south sydney had 3 wins this year

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Your comparing 95 with 2006?, crowds in general all round have improved since then due to a League being more publicised.

And the 3 wins that year were in the first 10 or so games if i remeber correctly.