Parramatta Stats Thread

[the phantom menace]

Round 6 - Forwards minutes played

NRL v Cowboys
8 interchanges used, one for a back (Simonsson)

80mins Cartwright
80mins Lane
80mins Lussick
57mins Campbell-Gillard - in two stints (32m + 25m)
56mins Hopgood - in two stints (33m + 23m)
44mins Paulo - off the bench in one stint
36mins Ofahengaue - in two stints (23m + 13m)
23mins Matterson - off the bench in one stint
20mins Moretti - off the bench in one stint
14mins Tuilagi - off the bench in one stint

NSW Cup v Bears
9 interchanges used, 2 didn't count (HIA/return from cleared HIA)

80mins Guymer
80mins Keir (c)
62mins Makatoa in two stints (52m + 10m)
62mins Arthur in two stints (52m + 10m)
49mins Greig in two stints (26m + 23m)
46mins Ogden in two stints (28m + 18m)
40mins Parker - from the bench in two stints (18m HIA + 22m)
29mins Alderton - from the bench in one stint
18mins Luke - from the bench in one stint
15m Brazel - from the bench in one stint

 

[Chipmunk]

Round 6 - Forwards minutes played

NRL v Cowboys
8 interchanges used, one for a back (Simonsson)

80mins Cartwright
80mins Lane
80mins Lussick
57mins Campbell-Gillard - in two stints (32m + 25m)
56mins Hopgood - in two stints (33m + 23m)
44mins Paulo - off the bench in one stint
36mins Ofahengaue - in two stints (23m + 13m)
23mins Matterson - off the bench in one stint
20mins Moretti - off the bench in one stint
14mins Tuilagi - off the bench in one stint

NSW Cup v Bears
9 interchanges used, 2 didn't count (HIA/return from cleared HIA)

80mins Guymer
80mins Keir (c)
62mins Makatoa in two stints (52m + 10m)
62mins Arthur in two stints (52m + 10m)
49mins Greig in two stints (26m + 23m)
46mins Ogden in two stints (28m + 18m)
40mins Parker - from the bench in two stints (18m HIA + 22m)
29mins Alderton - from the bench in one stint
18mins Luke - from the bench in one stint
15m Brazel - from the bench in one stint

Given the time Tuilagi is getting, I think we're better off having Hands in the 17. Lussick is going to be a better player for us if he only has to play for 50-60 minutes a week.

 

[the phantom menace]

I agree. I'm a Hands fan - just for the options it gives us, including the chance to rest and refresh Lussick for 20mins.

If Cartwright and Lane are capable for doing 80mins on the regular, and Matterson is only getting 25min or less in the middle rotation, then Matterson has time up his sleeve to cover an edge injury and we can acommodate Hands on the bench (in Tuilagi's place).

 

[Chipmunk]

A bench of Hands, Paulo, Matterson and one other middle (currently Moretti, potentially Greig if he can get himself fit) to round out the 17 I think is pretty strong.

Our issue is having our Best 17 (I'd say 19 all up) available every week, because our Best 17 is Top 4 material, but if we need to get more than 1-2 out of that Best 17 then we tend to just be too weak to cover those losses.

Over a long season I think that is our Achilles Heal, because it's unrealistic to expect your Best 17 to play every week.

 

[JokerEel]

If BA is certain on not giving Hands a go and just giving Kelma 15 minutes I would like to see him rotate Kelma with a NSW cup player to give them NRL exposure.

 

[the phantom menace]

Round 7 - Forwards minutes played

NRL v Dolphins
8 interchanges used, including one HIA for a back (Asi)

80mins Cartwright
80mins Lane
80mins Lussick
59mins Hopgood (0.00-32.03 + 52.43-80.00) - in two stints
49mins Campbell-Gillard (0.00-25.05 + 56.29-80.00) - in two stints
45mins Paulo (22.06-67.09) - off the bench in one stint
36mins Matterson (25.05-56.29 + 75.48-80.00) - off the bench in two stints
31mins Ofahengaue (0.00-22.06 + 67.09-75.48) - in two stints
21mins Talagi (59.02-80.00) - off the bench in one stint (backline)
20mins Moretti (32.03-52.43) - off the bench in one stint

NSW Cup v Roosters

Still to come...

 

[King-Gutho94]

Round 7 - Forwards minutes played

NRL v Dolphins
8 interchanges used, including one HIA for a back (Asi)

80mins Cartwright
80mins Lane
80mins Lussick
59mins Hopgood (0.00-32.03 + 52.43-80.00) - in two stints
49mins Campbell-Gillard (0.00-25.05 + 56.29-80.00) - in two stints
45mins Paulo (22.06-67.09) - off the bench in one stint
36mins Matterson (25.05-56.29 + 75.48-80.00) - off the bench in two stints
31mins Ofahengaue (0.00-22.06 + 67.09-75.48) - in two stints
21mins Tuilagi (59.02-80.00) - off the bench in one stint
20mins Moretti (32.03-52.43) - off the bench in one stint (backline)

NSW Cup v Roosters

Still to come...

When do we reduce BA's mins asking for a friend.

 

[the phantom menace]

When do we reduce BA's mins asking for a friend.

If we take away one water bottle per week for the rest of the season, he might get the message... just like when they started moving Milton's desk in Office Space.

 

[Chipmunk]

Round 7 - Forwards minutes played

NRL v Dolphins
8 interchanges used, including one HIA for a back (Asi)

80mins Cartwright
80mins Lane
80mins Lussick
59mins Hopgood (0.00-32.03 + 52.43-80.00) - in two stints
49mins Campbell-Gillard (0.00-25.05 + 56.29-80.00) - in two stints
45mins Paulo (22.06-67.09) - off the bench in one stint
36mins Matterson (25.05-56.29 + 75.48-80.00) - off the bench in two stints
31mins Ofahengaue (0.00-22.06 + 67.09-75.48) - in two stints
21mins Tuilagi (59.02-80.00) - off the bench in one stint
20mins Moretti (32.03-52.43) - off the bench in one stint (backline)

NSW Cup v Roosters

Still to come...

It's no coincidence that we were f**ked after 50 minutes in this game and the match against the Raiders, which is as long as Lussick should be on the field in any match.

The same thing will continue to happen if he has to play more than 50-60 minutes each week.

Last week was more luck than good management.

Too much has to go right for us when Lussick has to play 80 minutes for us to come close to winning.

 

[the phantom menace]

Yep, I don't see why BA had to change the way he started the season, with Hands there to share some of the 9 duties.

For the sake of Moretti's 20mins giving Hopgood a break, he should be able to cover that with 20mins more of Matterson- who was routinely playing 60mins last year... or if that's too much exclusively in the middle split the extra 20min between Matterson, Offa, RCCG and Paulo.

Lussick at 80mins is the weakest link around the ruck in attack and in defence.

 

[the phantom menace]

Round 7 - Forwards minutes played

NSW Cup v Roosters
8 interchanges used, 1 didn't count (HIA)

80mins Tuilagi (0.00-80.00)
68mins Keir (c) - in one stint (0.00-67.55)
60mins Makatoa - in two stints (0.00-47.26 + 67.55-80.00)
54mins Doorey - from the bench in one stint (25.44-80.00)
54mins Arthur - in two stints (0.00-47.13 + 73.30-80.00)
52mins Guymer - in two stints (0.00-32.05 + 59.55-80.00)
48mins Greig - in two stints (0.00-25.54 + 57.20-80.00)
26mins Luke - from the bench in one stint (47.13-73.30)
25mins Parker - from the bench in one stint (32.05-57.20)
12mins Alderton - from the bench in one stint (47.26-59.55 HIA)

 

[the phantom menace]

Big minutes from Tuilagi at this level, Makatoa, and Doorey off the bench in his first game back.

Guymer and Keir who have both been doing 80min pretty consistently weren't called on to do so this week.

 

[Chipmunk]

Big minutes from Tuilagi at this level, Makatoa, and Doorey off the bench in his first game back.

You'd think this contributed to the fact the Roosters came from behind to win.

 

[the phantom menace]

Could well be... the missed tackle stats aren't yet in!

Though we made three interchanges in the 17mins betwen Cini's try and when the Roosters drew in front.

 

[the phantom menace]

Round 8 - Forwards minutes played

NRL v Sea Eagles
7 interchanges used, plus 2 which didn't count (Lane's HIA and then return

80mins Matterson (0.00-80.00)
73mins Hopgood - in two stints (0.00-66.05 + 72.38-80.00)
56mins Lane - in two stints (0.00-4.14 HIA + 28.59-80.00)
53mins Lussick (0.00-52.30)
53mins Paulo - from the bench, in two stints (21.14-60.55 + 66.05-80.00)
52mins Campbell-Gillard - in two stints (0.00-30.23 + 51.24-72.38)
40mins Ofahengaue - in two stints (0.00-21.14 + 60.55-80.00)
28mins Hands - from the bench (52.30-80.00)
25mins Tuilagi - from the bench (4.14-28.59)
21mins Makatoa - from the bench (30.23-51.24)

NSW Cup v Blacktown Workers
Playing Sunday, still to come...

 

[the phantom menace]

More minutes this week from Matterson (obviously), as well as Hopgood, Ofa, and Paulo.

Less from Lussick, and from Lane - although not sure what BA would have done in the bench plan with Tuilagi and who would be given a spell if it wasn't for Lane's TIA?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Why do we decline after making grand finals?

Grand final year	Wins next season	Wins two seasons later	Wins three seasons later
1986	1987: 12 wins	1988: 8 wins	1989: 11 wins
2001	2002: 10 wins	2003: 11 wins	2004: 9 wins
2009	2010: 10 wins	2011: 6 wins	2012: 6 wins
2022	2023: 12 wins	2024: 3 (on track to win 9)	2025 Premiers

The last grand final that wasn't followed by an immediate decline was forty years ago:

Grand final year	Wins next season	Wins two seasons later	Wins three seasons later
1984	1985: 16 wins	1986: 16 wins	1987: 12 wins

It's not very exciting.

 

[the phantom menace]

Why do we decline after making grand finals?

Because we've become mentally fragile. And the drought perhaps weighs heavy in that, after getting close and failing.

2025: put us down for 9 wins again... and then hopefully upwards with a new coach and many new squad members.

 

[Chipmunk]

Ray Price played 259 games across 11 seasons for Parramatta. In that time we played in 10 final series, 7 grand finals and won 4 premierships. A record of over 90% finals and over 60% grand final appearances, as well as over 35% premiership record.

Mick Cronin played 216 games across 10 seasons for Parramatta. In that time we played in 9 final series, 6 grand finals and won 4 premierships. Obviously zero wooden spoons. A record of 90% finals and 60% grand final appearances, as well as over 40% premiership record.

The one season they didn't make the finals, they were only one position away from the finals (6th in 1980).

In the 29/30 seasons prior to their arrival, we only played in 6 final series (around 20%), for no grand final appearances (and obviously no premierships). We won 11 wooden spoons (around 37%).

In the 37 seasons since their departure, we have played in 15 final series (around 40%), and 3 (8%) grand final appearances (and obviously no premierships). We won the same amount of wooden spoons as grand final appearances in that time. Incidentally, Brad Arthur has been a part of 67% of those wooden spoons the club has had since both Price and Cronin joined the club.

We could really do with a couple of winners like Pricey and Crow at the moment...

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Incidentally, Brad Arthur has been a part of 67% of those wooden spoons the club has had since both Price and Cronin joined the club.

Jarryd Hayne has been involved in 100% of them.

We could really do with a couple of winners like Pricey and Crow at the moment...

These days they would either be pushed out by the salary cap or their massive contracts would push other gun players out. How the f**k did the Eels keep all those eighties players anyway? I suspect we had resources we don't have access to any more, at least in relative terms. Professionalism washed poker machines away as any sort of competitive advantage.