Peter Beatte NRL 360 - expansion

[Stallion]

Did you notice that no one marched in the streets when the bears were put in NSW Cup?

No fans, no money and they are where they belong - in NSW Cup.

Different type of support. The Rabbitohs originated from the streets of Sydney . North Sydney have just as important support however with differing demographics. These Bears fans you state "don't exist"are mostly private school/middle class demographic fans of rugby league from Northern Sydney.They are also well connected business people emanating out of the North Sydney CBD. Because they don't take to the streets doesn't mean they are not supporters. They support in their own way.

 

[tri_colours]

The Red Submitted there application knowing full well what was expected of them. they had several years to consider there option

Different type of support. The Rabbitohs originated from the streets of Sydney . North Sydney have just as important support however with differing demographics. These Bears fans you state "don't exist"are mostly private school/middle class demographic fans of rugby league from Northern Sydney.They are also well connected business people emanating out of the North Sydney CBD. Because they don't take to the streets doesn't mean they are not supporters. They support in their own way.

Souff's like to make out they were the only ones there but there was plenty of supporters wearing jersey's from other clubs.

 

[MugaB]

Souff's like to make out they were the only ones there but there was plenty of supporters wearing jersey's from other clubs.

Andrew denton, was on matty johns show last year speaking about the march, and outlined that norths fans among other club fans were also marching there too, he also stated that one of his friends who also marched, had passed away was buried in his bears jersey.
The march was seen as a protest against the administrations decisions to merge/cull the clubs

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Different type of support. The Rabbitohs originated from the streets of Sydney . North Sydney have just as important support however with differing demographics. These Bears fans you state "don't exist"are mostly private school/middle class demographic fans of rugby league from Northern Sydney.They are also well connected business people emanating out of the North Sydney CBD. Because they don't take to the streets doesn't mean they are not supporters. They support in their own way.

Bears fans do exist - there is just f#@k all of them, but that's no surprise, there was f#@k all of them back when they were in the top flight too. On top of them being few in numbers they are also can't be bothered to fight for their team or support them in the NSW Cup. Sounds like a great candidate for a return to the NRL - lol

 

[Stallion]

Bears fans do exist - there is just f#@k all of them, but that's no surprise, there was f#@k all of them back when they were in the top flight too. On top of them being few in numbers they are also can't be bothered to fight for their team or support them in the NSW Cup. Sounds like a great candidate for a return to the NRL - lol

Once again you ignore the widespread support all Sydney clubs have around Australia and in their district. You have factored in various different types of support . This is where you get things wrong. Support can be harnessed in various ways: eyeballs on TV, game attendances, talking about the code/game, buying merchandise of various types and forms, patronizing the league's club etc..... You just don't think these types of support matter. They do. They all add to relevance and divest income eventually at different times. You just don't see this in your 'world ".

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Once again you ignore the widespread support all Sydney clubs have around Australia and in their district.

I haven't ignored it, I have acknowledged that the Bears have f#@k all supporters and I have acknowledged that at their peak in the 90's they had a very low ceiling of 15k fans. Manly is just as bad. So no, unless you are going to back your claim with stats then there is no evidence to suggest that there is widespread support that all Sydney clubs have around Australia. The claim is just laughable.

You have factored in various different types of support . This is where you get things wrong. Support can be harnessed in various ways: eyeballs on TV, game attendances, talking about the code/game, buying merchandise of various types and forms, patronizing the league's club etc..... You just don't think these types of support matter. They do. They all add to relevance and divest income eventually at different times. You just don't see this in your 'world ".

Ok, let's see who are the biggeset clubs by your metrics traditionally:

TV Ratings:
Brisbane
Melbourne
Warriors
Dragons
Dogs
Eels
Souths

Game Attendances:
Brisbane
Souths
Newcastle
Warriors
Melbourne
Tigers
Dragons
Cowboys

Memberships:
Broncos
Souths
Eels
Storm
Cowboys
Dragons
Dogs (honourable mention because if they weren't so sh!t on the field right now they would be higher)

Talking about the code / game but not doing anything else:

F#@king irrelevant and does nothing for the clubs or the game

I don't see all Sydney clubs at the top of the game, I see a mix of Sydney and expansion clubs. This means that there are big clubs in the NRL and small clubs. This means that clubs like the Broncs, Souths, Warriors, Eels, Dogs, Storm & Dragons matter and have widespread support. The same stats show that not enough people care about Norths or Manly in their own district let alone around the country - lol.

If you want to ignore the actual data then go ahead, but just know that it doesn't make you right because..... feelings.

 

[Stallion]

I haven't ignored it, I have acknowledged that the Bears have f#@k all supporters and I have acknowledged that at their peak in the 90's they had a very low ceiling of 15k fans. Manly is just as bad. So no, unless you are going to back your claim with stats then there is no evidence to suggest that there is widespread support that all Sydney clubs have around Australia. The claim is just laughable.



Ok, let's see who are the biggeset clubs by your metrics traditionally:

TV Ratings:
Brisbane
Melbourne
Warriors
Dragons
Dogs
Eels
Souths

Game Attendances:
Brisbane
Souths
Newcastle
Warriors
Melbourne
Tigers
Dragons
Cowboys

Memberships:
Broncos
Souths
Eels
Storm
Cowboys
Dragons
Dogs (honourable mention because if they weren't so sh!t on the field right now they would be higher)

Talking about the code / game but not doing anything else:

F#@king irrelevant and does nothing for the clubs or the game

I don't see all Sydney clubs at the top of the game, I see a mix of Sydney and expansion clubs. This means that there are big clubs in the NRL and small clubs. This means that clubs like the Broncs, Souths, Warriors, Eels, Dogs, Storm & Dragons matter and have widespread support. The same stats show that not enough people care about Norths or Manly in their own district let alone around the country - lol.

If you want to ignore the actual data then go ahead, but just know that it doesn't make you right because..... feelings.

You have missed merchandise and talk about the code is very important. In fact it may be the most important as it fosters cultural and widespread relevance. These tv ratings don't happen from just one or two clubs support. Other fans of clubs watch other club games. When they have no imminent interest : like a longstanding club they have followed,many don't give a crap what's happeninf as their key reason for being interested has gone. But you can't work such factors put. You carry on with your absolute dogmatic and ridiculous ignorance! I'll throw in apathy on top of ignorance.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You have missed merchandise and talk about the code is very important. In fact it may be the most important as it fosters cultural and widespread relevance. These tv ratings don't happen from just one or two clubs support. Other fans of clubs watch other club games. When they have no imminent interest : like a longstanding club they have followed,many don't give a crap what's happeninf as their key reason for being interested has gone. But you can't work such factors put. You carry on with your absolute dogmatic and ridiculous ignorance! I'll throw in apathy on top of ignorance.

Talk about the code with no other action does nothing for the game or clubs.

Merchandise is a form of contribution but you can bet your bottom dollar that the leaders in merchandise sales are the same that lead the ratings, memberships and attendances. TV ratings are driven by the top clubs. Neither Norths or Manly are in that group nor have they ever been.

In terms of a small percentage of Norths fans that are lost to the game.... ok, great. They are gone but the game is bigger today than it has ever been, so who cares.

By dogmatic and ignorance you mean stats, facts and figures? Try debating on those rather than fantasy and your metrics that are invented and unmeasurable like ''widespread support'' and ''talk about the code''. I've noticed you don't comment on the actual stats that I post, it must be harsh reading for you to be confronted with the truth.

 

[Stallion]

Talk about the code with no other action does nothing for the game or clubs.

Merchandise is a form of contribution but you can bet your bottom dollar that the leaders in merchandise sales are the same that lead the ratings, memberships and attendances. TV ratings are driven by the top clubs. Neither Norths or Manly are in that group nor have they ever been.

In terms of a small percentage of Norths fans that are lost to the game.... ok, great. They are gone but the game is bigger today than it has ever been, so who cares.

By dogmatic and ignorance you mean stats, facts and figures? Try debating on those rather than fantasy and your metrics that are invented and unmeasurable like ''widespread support'' and ''talk about the code''. I've noticed you don't comment on the actual stats that I post, it must be harsh reading for you to be confronted with the truth.

You seem to.think the game is going well? It's underperforming big time. And is way behind where it should have been twenty years ago when superleague undermined it's progress. It should be Australia wide as was the progression being realised in 1995. The disrespect of established clubs weakened it's progress and we have types like yourself still professing such lurid and destructive ideas. Your type will keep the game down!

 

[LeagueXIII]

Did you notice that no one marched in the streets when the bears were put in NSW Cup?

No fans, no money and they are where they belong - in NSW Cup.

Nonsense

 

[LeagueXIII]

You seem to.think the game is going well? It's underperforming big time. And is way behind where it should have been twenty years ago when superleague undermined it's progress. It should be Australia wide as was the progression being realised in 1995. The disrespect of established clubs weakened it's progress and we have types like yourself still professing such lurid and destructive ideas. Your type will keep the game down!

Exactly the game has just regained ground it had 20 years ago.

Without Sydney or a weakened Sydney this game is shot.

 

[The Great Dane]

You seem to.think the game is going well? It's underperforming big time. And is way behind where it should have been twenty years ago when superleague undermined it's progress. It should be Australia wide as was the progression being realised in 1995. The disrespect of established clubs weakened it's progress and we have types like yourself still professing such lurid and destructive ideas. Your type will keep the game down!

By basically every metric the NRL is bigger then it's ever been, so if it's under preforming now then 20 years ago before SL it was much worse off...

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Nonsense

Well did they?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You seem to.think the game is going well? It's underperforming big time. And is way behind where it should have been twenty years ago when superleague undermined it's progress. It should be Australia wide as was the progression being realised in 1995. The disrespect of established clubs weakened it's progress and we have types like yourself still professing such lurid and destructive ideas. Your type will keep the game down!

The game has higher revenues than ever before
The game just announced a $46m profit
The game has higher memberships than ever before
The game has higher television ratings than ever before
2018 was the 11th highest season ever in terms of average attendance

Yes, the game is bigger than it's ever been, there is no denying that fact.

 

[gordsy]

The game has higher revenues than ever before
The game just announced a $46m profit
The game has higher memberships than ever before
The game has higher television ratings than ever before
2018 was the 11th highest season ever in terms of average attendance

Yes, the game is bigger than it's ever been, there is no denying that fact.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-24/nrl-announces-record-profit-for-2013/5279398.
So Todd seems to be going no better than David Smith and this is despite the benefit of a huge tv deal ?

 

[LeagueXIII]

The game has higher revenues than ever before
The game just announced a $46m profit
The game has higher memberships than ever before
The game has higher television ratings than ever before
2018 was the 11th highest season ever in terms of average attendance

Yes, the game is bigger than it's ever been, there is no denying that fact.

It had years of being under valued due to the shackles of News Ltd....had it continued to grow naturally as was the case upto the SL war it would be even bigger. We were the main game for corporate support in the mid 90's. We had a huge international game, origin was massive and the Winfield Cup was going very well.

 

[LeagueXIII]

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-24/nrl-announces-record-profit-for-2013/5279398.
So Todd seems to be going no better than David Smith and this is despite the benefit of a huge tv deal ?

Smith was a great loss, unfortunately News Ltd knew how good he was and ran him out of the game.

 

[Stallion]

By basically every metric the NRL is bigger then it's ever been, so if it's under preforming now then 20 years ago before SL it was much worse off...

Ridiculous assumption! You have no feel for the relevance this competition once had! Your destructive and ignorant stance is reflected in your apathy and disdain for these very well established and reveared Sydney clubs.

 

[Stallion]

The game has higher revenues than ever before
The game just announced a $46m profit
The game has higher memberships than ever before
The game has higher television ratings than ever before
2018 was the 11th highest season ever in terms of average attendance

Yes, the game is bigger than it's ever been, there is no denying that fact.

You are easily hoodwinked! First year of a moderately decent tv deal and you think that sort of a profit is great? You idiot!

 

[The Great Dane]

Ridiculous assumption! You have no feel for the relevance this competition once had! Your destructive and ignorant stance is reflected in your apathy and disdain for these very well established and reveared Sydney clubs.

Tell me then, if things were so much better back then why are all the metrics so much better now?

The NRL has higher average ratings now (more people are watching the sport now then they ever have), higher season ticket/membership sales, much more valuable broadcast deal, much more valuable sponsorship deals, more corporate support, more government support, the minimum wage of Pro players is not only a living wage now but it's higher then what most of even the top players were making back then, the sport is way bigger on the other side of the Tasman and across the South Pacific now then it ever has been, etc, etc, etc.

The only way you can see those times as better times then now is if you are viewing them through rose-tinted glasses with a large dose of nostalgia in your system to boot!