Peter Beatte NRL 360 - expansion

[Stallion]

Tell me then, if things were so much better back then why are all the metrics so much better now?

The NRL has higher average ratings now (more people are watching the sport now then they ever have), higher season ticket/membership sales, much more valuable broadcast deal, much more valuable sponsorship deals, more corporate support, more government support, the minimum wage of Pro players is not only a living wage now but it's higher then what most of even the top players were making back then, the sport is way bigger on the other side of the Tasman and across the South Pacific now then it ever has been, etc, etc, etc.

The only way you can see those times as better times then now is if you are viewing them through rose-tinted glasses with a large dose of nostalgia in your system to boot!

Not really. Their exists a much greater population now. Much bigger than back then. The general public is not as into the Rugby league as was evident prior to 1997. The superleague fiasco was exactly that: A FIASCO! This damaged the code. I would surmise that had this not occured ,top flight rugby league would be Australia wide in all major cities (still with all established clubs and numbering over 20 clubs as well!) And their would be a greater international presence also. (instead we have leadership constraining the international relevance eg: no Kangaroos v Lions test in 2019 etc) Unfortunately this(genuine growth without ruining established fan bases) has had no chance of occuring and we have zealots like yourself proclaiming false and underwhelming"progress " .

 

[tri_colours]

By basically every metric the NRL is bigger then it's ever been, so if it's under preforming now then 20 years ago before SL it was much worse off...

I hardly think it has anything to do with Super League. If that's what your getting at. Just look at how the AFL has gone ahead in that time.

We were virtually feeding of News Ltd left overs for 15 years. But I agree, the game has gone a long way in the last 8.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You are easily hoodwinked! First year of a moderately decent tv deal and you think that sort of a profit is great? You idiot!

I didn't comment on whether it is great or not. I commented that the game was bigger now than it has ever been, the profit and current TV deal are simply evidence of that.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

It had years of being under valued due to the shackles of News Ltd....had it continued to grow naturally as was the case upto the SL war it would be even bigger. We were the main game for corporate support in the mid 90's. We had a huge international game, origin was massive and the Winfield Cup was going very well.

All very true but the game is bigger today than it has ever been in the past. Both in Australia and in terms of global reach.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-24/nrl-announces-record-profit-for-2013/5279398.
So Todd seems to be going no better than David Smith and this is despite the benefit of a huge tv deal ?

Are you making the point that the game is not bigger now than it has been historically? The profit was one of five points that I made - you seem to have addressed one but not the others.

 

[LeagueXIII]

It is all relevant....it was at it's biggest when the war hit also, and given the trend from 1983 it would have continued on the up as the digital age hit and TV deals got massive.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Not really. Their exists a much greater population now. Much bigger than back then. The general public is not as into the Rugby league as was evident prior to 1997. The superleague fiasco was exactly that: A FIASCO! This damaged the code. I would surmise that had this not occured ,top flight rugby league would be Australia wide in all major cities (still with all established clubs and numbering over 20 clubs as well!) And their would be a greater international presence also. (instead we have leadership constraining the international relevance eg: no Kangaroos v Lions test in 2019 etc) Unfortunately this(genuine growth without ruining established fan bases) has had no chance of occuring and we have zealots like yourself proclaiming false and underwhelming"progress " .

Australian population 1995: 18 million (est)
Australian population 2018: 25 million (est)
Population increase: 39%

ARL Crowds 1996: 11,458
NRL Crowds 2018: 15,260
Crowds increase: 33%

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/09/20/rugby-league-participation-up-in-2018/
Participation is currently at all time highs

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-trumps-afl-in-tv-ratings-war-20180910-p502u1.html
TV ratings are currently at all time highs

In terms of the international game:

RLIF full members in 1996: 5
RLIF full members in 2018: 15 (many, many more observer nations playing the game too)
RLIF full membership increase: 200%

If I may quote @The Great Dane
''The only way you can see those times as better times then now is if you are viewing them through rose-tinted glasses with a large dose of nostalgia in your system to boot''

 

[Stallion]

All very true but the game is bigger today than it has ever been in the past. Both in Australia and in terms of global reach.

Lol. In 1996 the top flight had 20 teams. 16 IS LESS THAN 20! Their was a side on WA and two clubs in Brisbane! This is not the case now. And you are stating the competition is bigger! ? Amazing! Lol. And with a much bigger population nowadAustralia then twenty years ago. Wow. You have absolutely been conned . A definite false sense of security to a code that should be dominant throughout Australia had the mess in 1997 not occured! That's a smaller competition nowadays not the bigger competition that you surmise in your flawed appraisal.

 

[Stallion]

Australian population 1995: 18 million (est)
Australian population 2018: 25 million (est)
Population increase: 39%

ARL Crowds 1996: 11,458
NRL Crowds 2018: 15,260
Crowds increase: 33%

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/09/20/rugby-league-participation-up-in-2018/
Participation is currently at all time highs

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-trumps-afl-in-tv-ratings-war-20180910-p502u1.html
TV ratings are currently at all time highs

In terms of the international game:

RLIF full members in 1996: 5
RLIF full members in 2018: 15 (many, many more observer nations playing the game too)
RLIF full membership increase: 200%

If I may quote @The Great Dane
''The only way you can see those times as better times then now is if you are viewing them through rose-tinted glasses with a large dose of nostalgia in your system to boot''

Instead of using misleading figures try total aggregate attendances and males playing the code. Instead you use deceptive figures that maintain your rosy farcical estimation of a code that is in trouble and definitely way less relevant than prior to 1996. Less clubs does that but zealots like yourself continue on with your apathy to what genuine progress is.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Instead of using misleading figures try total aggregate attendances and males playing the code. Instead you use deceptive figures that maintain your rosy farcical estimation of a code that is in trouble and definitely way less relevant than prior to 1996. Less clubs does that but zealots like yourself continue on with your apathy to what genuine progress is.

Average attendances are much more reliable as the number of teams have fluctuated over the years. This is how statistics work.

All figures are accurate - no deception.

Are you suggestion that the game is smaller now than it was in 1996?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Lol. In 1996 the top flight had 20 teams. 16 IS LESS THAN 20! Their was a side on WA and two clubs in Brisbane! This is not the case now. And you are stating the competition is bigger! ? Amazing! Lol. And with a much bigger population nowadAustralia then twenty years ago. Wow. You have absolutely been conned . A definite false sense of security to a code that should be dominant throughout Australia had the mess in 1997 not occured! That's a smaller competition nowadays not the bigger competition that you surmise in your flawed appraisal.

Yes, RL is bigger now with four less clubs in the NRL. Paricipation figures, crowd figures, membership numbers, revenue and TV ratings are all bigger with 16 clubs than they were with 20. Just goes to show that more is not less - a lesson that could well be applied to the Sydney market so that we can regain Perth and Brisbane 2.

 

[Stallion]

Yes, RL is bigger now with four less clubs in the NRL. Paricipation figures, crowd figures, membership numbers, revenue and TV ratings are all bigger with 16 clubs than they were with 20. Just goes to show that more is not less - a lesson that could well be applied to the Sydney market so that we can regain Perth and Brisbane 2.

Lol! You continue on with your ignorance! The code per capita of population would be smaller than in 1996 for certain. But you cannot figure this out!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Lol! You continue on with your ignorance! The code per capita of population would be smaller than in 1996 for certain. But you cannot figure this out!

Australian population 1995: 18 million (est)
Australian population 2018: 25 million (est)
Population increase: 39%

ARL Crowds 1996: 11,458
NRL Crowds 2018: 15,260
Crowds increase: 33%

The game is keeping up just nicely

 

[Stallion]

The game is keeping up just nicely

In your eyes! Lol. The game was a leader in Australia of all other codes prior to 1997! And you refer to it 'keeping up"! ? Unashamedly others have a genuine understanding of what is really going on. But you can have the false sense of security whilst the game counters the various undermining ideas and thoughts you espouse. Then again it's your right to comment and thankfully their (and others) right to work out and note the flawed presence and logic you (and some others ) offer.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

In your eyes! Lol. The game was a leader in Australia of all other codes prior to 1997! And you refer to it 'keeping up"! ? Unashamedly others have a genuine understanding of what is really going on. But you can have the false sense of security whilst the game counters the various undermining ideas and thoughts you espouse. Then again it's your right to comment and thankfully their (and others) right to work out and note the flawed presence and logic you (and some others ) offer.

Is the game not bigger now than it was in 1996?

Have the crowds not increased?

Have the TV ratings not increased?

Has the revenue not increased?

Have the memberships not increased?

I mean, it's ok to have nostalgia for the ''good old days'' but to deny the figures whilst claiming that someone else has no understanding is a bit rich.

 

[Stallion]

Is the game not bigger now than it was in 1996?

Have the crowds not increased?

Have the TV ratings not increased?

Has the revenue not increased?

Have the memberships not increased?

I mean, it's ok to have nostalgia for the ''good old days'' but to deny the figures whilst claiming that someone else has no understanding is a bit rich.

Mathematics and relativity are not your strengths. Their are millions more people in Australia now. Memberships did not exist! Twenty clubs in 1996 is clearly more than 16 clubs in 2019. Male participants(genuine comparison) were also higher than current numbers. Like I have stated on many occasions compare on a per capita basis and a real picture is given . Unlike your fanciful illusion of success. And muted success at that. The game should be much more bigger and clearly number one in Australia now. But it's not. We differ on what and how we see success. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Manurewa_Marlins]

It's a hell of a lot of a different world when it comes to entertainment options and the ways in which we consume it too. Comparing the environments between the two 'eras' is almost like apples and oranges. Almost. What we can say is that the powers that be at times struggle to keep up with the changes, and even worse, display a lack of innovation on quite the consistant basis.

 

[Diesel]

Heard a few murmers of Brisbane 2 in the news today (radio).

These were from different networks but one mention expansion due to the wildcard weekend, this is somehow tied into expansion as 10 of 16 teams qualifying for the finals doesn’t work but 10 of 18 is less of an issue.

Second news article was to do with the CEO’s or ARLC meeting & the Broncos who have a stranglehold on a second Brisbane team have made noises they are willing to have a second team in the city. By willing, this means they’ll accept a relocated team but won’t vote on expansion of the comp.

 

[Stallion]

Heard a few murmers of Brisbane 2 in the news today (radio).

These were from different networks but one mention expansion due to the wildcard weekend, this is somehow tied into expansion as 10 of 16 teams qualifying for the finals doesn’t work but 10 of 18 is less of an issue.

Second news article was to do with the CEO’s or ARLC meeting & the Broncos who have a stranglehold on a second Brisbane team have made noises they are willing to have a second team in the city. By willing, this means they’ll accept a relocated team but won’t vote on expansion of the comp.

So the Broncos would rather tear the competition apart and also push for an unpopular relocation scenario. Quite adept at spoiling are the Broncos! An extremely selfish and conspiring organisation with little interest in the genuine progress of rugby league. They would rather see the code fight internally than see much needed and demanded additional clubs or more clubs through logical and strategic expansion intent. A shameful and conspiring stance from the Broncos once again! (Superleague being their main example to date).

 

[MugaB]

https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/03/06/how-nrl-squad-rules-pave-way-for-second-brisbane-team/

Its comin y'all
2 more teams, 3 conferences,
Less rounds (22), less load on players,
But more games in total with 198
Atleast the discussions are being made