Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[The Penguin #6.]

Did you take me out of context? thats getting around Im told.



the trend shows the gap between the two is closer - I expect that trend to be maintained this year - before dipping next year slightly.

Also note that single digit growth is the norm outside the first year of a broadcast deal (2022 and 2023 est)

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And as this demonstrates, the NRL does pretty well if you STOP FREAKING OUT ABOUT THE AFL EVERY OTHER POST DUDE
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As our much maligned ex-Treasurer (and P.M.) Paul Keating once said : " What a beautiful set of numbers ".
To coin another Keatingism that might apply to V`landy`s : " setting the sails for growth ".
I`ll save " bringing home the bacon " for another day.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Look it`s not only the QRL. I heard an interview with Mike Eden ex-Manly, Roosters player a few years ago. He runs a successful Law practice in Albury these days and still maintains a strong interest in League. He said a NSW Cup team based out of that city would do wonders against the encroachment being threatened by the bucket loads of money being thrown at the area by fumbleball. He seemed to think that it could be financially viable and would be very popular.
When I heard him speak, very eloquent and measured, it gave the impression that the idea was a no-brainer.

The Queensland and NSW Cups should cover regions that don't have an NRL club within reasonable driving distance. There's no way a family from central Logan can get to Lang Park on a Thursday or Friday night without taking time off work and school. A Queensland Cup club in this area would be great and could be used as a hub to run fortnightly Sunday markets on game day to generate revenue and bring communities together. It would be a great place to have ethnic food stalls, local musicans, local farmers selling their produce, residents selling homemade arts and craft plus anything else that's available at a community flea market. Something similar could be done with Sydney and regional NSW. We need to make the clubs in the state leagues truly representative of their communities so they offer a point of difference to the NRL and mean something to the community.

 

[Perth Red]

Did you take me out of context? thats getting around Im told.



the trend shows the gap between the two is closer - I expect that trend to be maintained this year - before dipping next year slightly.

Also note that single digit growth is the norm outside the first year of a broadcast deal (2022 and 2023 est)

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And as this demonstrates, the NRL does pretty well if you STOP FREAKING OUT ABOUT THE AFL EVERY OTHER POST DUDE
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No I didn’t, what you’ve done, again, is cherry pick a single years figures to claim some sort of systemic shift in revenue difference. That’s bs and you know it.
Yes last years gap was “only” $168mill due to some very unique extenuating circumstances unlikely to be repeated again.
In reality we are set to not only resume normality next year with the gap once going well over $200mill, but in 2025 likely to be an all time record high $350-400mill. If that’s somehow your definition of good result and the gap closing then it’s a very strange one.

presuming nrl returns a projected $640mill revenue next year, and afl returns an anticipated $850mill plus how is that a good result for pistol Pete Or the game?

once again the tv deal is only adding 6% extra media revenue to the pot. It’s fcking outrageous!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

No I didn’t, what you’ve done, again, is cherry pick a single years figures to claim some sort of systemic shift in revenue difference. It’s bs and you know it.
Yes last years gap was “only” $168mill due to some very unique extenuating circumstances unlikely to be repeated again.
In reality we are set to not only resume normality next year with the gap once going well over $200mill, but in 2025 likely to be an all time record high $350-400mill. If that’s somehow your definition of good result and the gap closing then it’s a very strange one.

It's going to grow larger over the upcoming years. COVID-19 impacted AwFuL more as the southern states were hit hardest and their game generates a significant chunk of its revenue from gate receipts and memberships.

 

[The Penguin #6.]

The Queensland and NSW Cups should cover regions that don't have an NRL club within reasonable driving distance. There's no way a family from central Logan can get to Lang Park on a Thursday or Friday night without taking time off work and school. A Queensland Cup club in this area would be great and could be used as a hub to run fortnightly Sunday markets on game day to generate revenue and bring communities together. It would be a great place to have ethnic food stalls, local musicans, local farmers selling their produce, residents selling homemade arts and craft plus anything else that's available at a community flea market. Something similar could be done with Sydney and regional NSW. We need to make the clubs in the state leagues truly representative of their communities so they offer a point of difference to the NRL and mean something to the community.

The interview subject is correct. That is how you would base a second division competition put them in regions like Albury, Tamworth, Coffs in NSW and Mackay, Rockhampton and Cairns in QLD

Hopefully as the revenue generated by the game grows we will see this sort of initiative implemented. From what we`ve seen from the W.C. the more professional or at least semi-professional clubs that can offer pathway places for up-and-coming players the better.

 

[Canard]

The Queensland and NSW Cups should cover regions that don't have an NRL club within reasonable driving distance. There's no way a family from central Logan can get to Lang Park on a Thursday or Friday night without taking time off work and school. A Queensland Cup club in this area would be great and could be used as a hub to run fortnightly Sunday markets on game day to generate revenue and bring communities together. It would be a great place to have ethnic food stalls, local musicans, local farmers selling their produce, residents selling homemade arts and craft plus anything else that's available at a community flea market. Something similar could be done with Sydney and regional NSW. We need to make the clubs in the state leagues truly representative of their communities so they offer a point of difference to the NRL and mean something to the community.

There's too many clubs in Sydney, But the BRL should expand to create more clubs in Brisbane.

 

[The_Wookie]

No I didn’t, what you’ve done, again, is cherry pick a single years figures to claim some sort of systemic shift in revenue difference. That’s bs and you know it.

it is bullshit - because i posted the last decades worth of data to also support the assertion. The FACTS say that the proportion of revenue has increased, thats undisputable fact that the data actually supports.

You bitched about the growth figures - and you were wrong.

Yes last years gap was “only” $168mill due to some very unique extenuating circumstances unlikely to be repeated again.
In reality we are set to not only resume normality next year with the gap once going well over $200mill, but in 2025 likely to be an all time record high $350-400mill. If that’s somehow your definition of good result and the gap closing then it’s a very strange one.

Again i refer you to the actual data and my actual posts that point out the fact that the gap is CURRENTLY closing, but will increase in 2025.

at the risk of repeating myself a third time

Relative to your friends at the AFL though....(2022, 2023 predicted revenue) the trend is pretty good, the gap closes a little but more - last year was the closest its ever been - probably the closest it will be until 2028 when the next NRL deal is done, unless Vlandys can convince broadcasters to come to the party in 2025

presuming nrl returns a projected $640mill revenue next year, and afl returns an anticipated $850mill plus how is that a good result for pistol Pete Or the game?

Well lets see it will be more revenue for the game than ever before. How you dont see that as a good thing is what baffles me, irrrespective of whatever the AFL is up to, how do you not see record revenue as a straight up good deal for the competition and the executives that have delivered it ???????????????

Rome wasnt built in a day. Revenue is growing, even if not by your hugely optimistic standard.

once again the tv deal is only adding 6% extra media revenue to the pot. It’s fcking outrageous!

I mean its going to blow your mind to know that except for years where the AFL starts a new deal, media revenue grows by between 2 and 4% pa - once it even reached 7%.

Year	AFL Broadcast Revenue	YoY Increase	Note
2011	$167,250,000
2012	$225,577,000	35%	1st Year of New deal
2013	$240,674,000	7%
2014	$248,396,000	3%
2015	$256,602,000	3%
2016	$264,154,000	3%
2017	$381,028,000	44%	1st Year of New Deal
2018	$391,504,000	3%
2019	$397,439,000	2%
2020	$352,670,000	-11%
2021	$366,647,000	4%

Temper your expectations my dude. 6% is certainly nothing to be sneezed at - especially at the mid to point of the deal. And Especially when you dont actually have the complete data to even make the assessment.

 

[Perth Red]

it is bullshit - because i posted the last decades worth of data to also support the assertion. The FACTS say that the proportion of revenue has increased, thats undisputable fact that the data actually supports.

You bitched about the growth figures - and you were wrong.




Again i refer you to the actual data and my actual posts that point out the fact that the gap is CURRENTLY closing, but will increase in 2025.

at the risk of repeating myself a third time





Well lets see it will be more revenue for the game than ever before. How you dont see that as a good thing is what baffles me, irrrespective of whatever the AFL is up to, how do you not see record revenue as a straight up good deal for the competition and the executives that have delivered it ???????????????

Rome wasnt built in a day. Revenue is growing, even if not by your hugely optimistic standard.



I mean its going to blow your mind to know that except for years where the AFL starts a new deal, media revenue grows by between 2 and 4% pa - once it even reached 7%.

Year	AFL Broadcast Revenue	YoY Increase	Note
2011	$167,250,000
2012	$225,577,000	35%	1st Year of New deal
2013	$240,674,000	7%
2014	$248,396,000	3%
2015	$256,602,000	3%
2016	$264,154,000	3%
2017	$381,028,000	44%	1st Year of New Deal
2018	$391,504,000	3%
2019	$397,439,000	2%
2020	$352,670,000	-11%
2021	$366,647,000	4%

Temper your expectations my dude. 6% is certainly nothing to be sneezed at - especially at the mid to point of the deal. And Especially when you dont actually have the complete data to even make the assessment.

Stop being disengenious, you picked an anomaly year to try and say something. I’m not sure why, when there’s years of data showing the gap is consistently large and all predictions are from next year that it will widen again, you’d do that?

Ok let’s agree yes last years one off set of circumstances led to the gap decreasing to “only” $168mill but normality is set to resume from 2023 and continue until at least 2027 by the looks of it.
If you consider that a good result for the NRL good on you, personally I don’t.

does $$640mill a year sound good? Yes,
is it anywhere near what it should be? no.
Should we be happy the game is missing out on $100mill plus a year for the next 5 years? Hell no!

as for the media deal, I’m not talking between new deals! I’m talking a new deal for the nrl that will start on 2023 and is only 6% more than the previous deal. The lowest media revenue growth in a new deal in the modern era. By an absolute country mile

2007 60% media increase on previous deal
2013 125% increase on 2007 deal
2018 69% increase on 2013 deal
2023 6%increase on 2018 deal

i mean how anyone can argue this is a good result is mind blowing to me.

 

[The_Wookie]

Stop being disengenious, you picked an anomaly year to try and say something, I’m. It sure why when there’s tears of data showing the gap is barely changing and all predictions are from next year that it will widen again you’d do that?

I very specifically said - for the FOURTH TIME dude

Relative to your friends at the AFL though....(2022, 2023 predicted revenue) the trend is pretty good, the gap closes a little but more - last year was the closest its ever been - probably the closest it will be until 2028 when the next NRL deal is done, unless Vlandys can convince broadcasters to come to the party in 2025

And the data reflects that statement.

Ok let’s agree yes last years one off set of circumstances led to the gap decreasing to “only” $168mill but normality is set to resume from 2023 and conti nue until at least 2027 by the looks of it. If you consider that a good result for the NRL good on you, personally I don’t,

Record revenue (not to mention record profit) IS a good result by almost any sane persons standards.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There's too many clubs in Sydney, But the BRL should expand to create more clubs in Brisbane.

I specifically said at the top of my post that Queensland Cup clubs should represent regions that are not within a reasonable driving distance of an NRL team. If you interpret that to mean Brisbane should have more clubs than it does now then you're a braindead knuckledragging moron.

The point I was making is the BRL had too many clubs in Brisbane's inner suburbs because that's where the competition began and the administrators and clubs never looked to evolve with the times, which played a role in its eventually death. I specifically said the game never tried to expand beyond its original footprint to keep up with the urban sprawl of metropolitan Brisbane. I never said the BRL should have kept archaic clubs like Fortitude Valley, Western Suburbs and Pastoral Brothers around while adding new clubs.

You know I'm against too many clubs in Brisbane as you were whinging the other day about my proposal to relocate BRL clubs to regions like Redlands and Logan. This proves you're a troll who likes to argue and misrepresent my comments because you've got nothing better to do with your time. Get a life.

My point is backed up by the fact we've lost Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns, Fortitude Valley Diehards, Western Suburbs Panthers and would have lost the Southern Suburbs Magpies 20 years ago if the Raiders didn't bail them out. There's a reason for the loss of these clubs and it also applies to Sydney RL. The only difference is the BRL clubs didn't have a safety net in the 80s and 90s like the Sydney clubs today.

The strongest BRL clubs are the ones based in the outer suburbs, such as Seagulls on the bayside, Dolphins in Moreton Bay, Jets in Ipswich and Tigers covering eastern Brisbane and northern Logan. There's a reason for this trend. Large catchments and a sizeable distance from the Broncos. Tigers are sort of the exception as they're close to the CBD, but they're on the southeast in a very accessible area. Magpies are hidden away between the river and a a factory in a gentrified suburb.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Salaries have never been higher in Australia, yet inflation has increased at a far greater rate. A person working in 1970 had more disposable income than some one in the workforce today, despite taking home far less money. Much of the increase in broadcast rights over the last 40 years is due to the cost of everything going up. It's also been improved somewhat by traditional media facing competition from new services like the internet-based streaming services and mobile phones, thus making broadcast rights more valuable than ever as content is far more scarce.

 

[Perth Red]

I very specifically said - for the FOURTH TIME dude



And the data reflects that statement.



Record revenue (not to mention record profit) IS a good result by almost any sane persons standards.

Why pick an anomaly year to state it then? It means nothing. The gap will be bigger than ever shortly. That’s not a good result in anyones book.

its good on the the surface, have a scratch and see how much revenue the game is missing out on because of Vlandys performance and it doesn’t look so glossy does it? If you’re happy with mediocre yeh it looks great,

 

[Perth Red]

It's going to grow larger over the upcoming years. COVID-19 impacted AwFuL more as the southern states were hit hardest and their game generates a significant chunk of its revenue from gate receipts and memberships.

Only an idiot would see this as a good result for rugby league!

revenu gap afl-NRL
2025 *$370mill plus
2023 *$220mill
2022$?
2021 $168mill
2020 $257mill
2019 $241mill
2018 $258mill

* based on current tv deals as they stand

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I'm not as educated as @The_Wookie on AFL vs NRL revenue, so I won't get into an argument about the historical data. I'll just post what I read in a Fox Sports article about the AFL's financial situation across 2020-21.

The AFL has reported a 2021 operating loss of $43 million, while also revealing to clubs it spent an additional $76 million in the past two years due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

In financial results released on Tuesday, the league revealed the underlying operating loss of $43 million came despite recording a cash surplus last year and follows a loss of $22.7 million in 2020.

The league’s revenue increased by more than $63 million to register at just over $738 million due to increased broadcast revenue and improved commercial returns.

AFL reveals $43m loss as staggering cost of Covid laid bare

AFL reveals $43m loss as staggering cost of Covid laid bare

www.foxsports.com.au

Here's what the ARLC reported for 2021.

Key financial results include:

Revenue for 2021 increased by $155.4 million or 37% to $575.1 million on the previous year.
Cash grants to the 16 Clubs increased by 5% to $239.6 million. This was on top of the increase provided in 2020. The clubs before Covid (2019 financial year) received $203.2 million.
Cash reserves have increased from $126 million at the end of the 2020 financial year to $171 million at 31 October 2021.
From 2023 television broadcast agreements will exceed $400 million per annum being the most in the game’s history.

2021 Financial Results

The Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) has advised its members that the game will report a $43.1 million surplus for the 2021 season.

www.nrl.com

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Only an idiot would see this as a good result for rugby league!

revenu gap afl-NRL
2025 *$370mill plus
2023 *$220mill
2022$?
2021 $168mill
2020 $257mill
2019 $241mill
2018 $258mill

* based on current tv deals as they stand

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Your game has more money to piss up the wall. We get it. Give it a rest, no one is interested in your game. Stop trolling the forum with AFL.

 

[Perth Red]

Your game has more money to piss up the wall. We get it. Give it a rest, no one is interested in your game. Stop trolling the forum with AFL.

If you dont want to see what’s about to hit us then Look away. If you don’t want to undertand that it’s largely due to the incompetence of our chair then stop reading. If you want to remain in your ignorance close your eyes. The world will look much rosier for a while longer.

it’s not about the afl, it’s about the nrl and the failures of our current leadership. This thread is about the performance of pistol Pete after all!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Only an idiot would see this as a good result for rugby league!

revenu gap afl-NRL
2025 *$370mill plus
2023 *$220mill
2022$?
2021 $168mill
2020 $257mill
2019 $241mill
2018 $258mill

* based on current tv deals as they stand

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I get the impression that the statistician wants us to be happy with our game's position because it benefits the other mob to remain in their shadow. Keeping nine teams in Sydney and not expanding to Adelaide and Perth makes it impossible for us to compete with AFL. Not having a team based on Brisbane's southside helps the Lions and Suns.

Your game has more money to piss up the wall. We get it. Give it a rest, no one is interested in your game. Stop trolling the forum with AFL.

@Perth Red is not an AFL fan. The bloke he is arguing with is an AFL fan.

If you dont want to see what’s about to hit us then Look away. If you don’t want to undertand that it’s largely due to the incompetence of our chair then stop reading. If you want to remain in your ignorance close your eyes. The world will look much rosier for a while longer.

it’s not about the afl, it’s about the nrl and the failures of our current leadership. This thread is about the performance of pistol Pete after all!

That's what I don't get about the likes of Phil and Always Green. If they don't want to hear any criticism of V'landys then they shouldn't read a thread that's about his performance as ARLC Chairman. They just enjoy ganging up on a couple of easy targets because they're bored and don't have any interest in thinking critically.

 

[The_Wookie]

Why pick an anomaly year to state it then? It means nothing. The gap will be bigger than ever shortly.

Do you even read the comment you respond to. For the fifth time, I literally said this - but I also graphed the previous decade that shows the lead up to that - and THAT data you seem to have trouble comprehending - the fact is should the predicted 850/640 gap occur it will still be better than it was 5 years ago.

its good on the the surface, have a scratch and see how much revenue the game is missing out on because of Vlandys performance and it doesn’t look so glossy does it? If you’re happy with mediocre yeh it looks great,

As someone widely recognised as an AFL fan on this forum - yes I could troll this forum as much as you do about the virtues of the AFL deal. My question is why the f**k are you the one doing it.

Its not just good on the surface. Its good. Its not as good as others, but that doesnt make this deal bad - its still delivering record results. And thats good. And its growing. in a realistic and altogether reasonable fashion.

I'm not as educated as @The_Wookie on AFL vs NRL revenue, so I won't get into an argument about the historical data. I'll just post what I read in a Fox Sports article about the AFL's financial situation across 2020-21.

and yet here we are.

The AFL has reported a 2021 operating loss of $43 million, while also revealing to clubs it spent an additional $76 million in the past two years due to the Covid-19 pandemic.​

​

In financial results released on Tuesday, the league revealed the underlying operating loss of $43 million came despite recording a cash surplus last year and follows a loss of $22.7 million in 2020.​

​

The league’s revenue increased by more than $63 million to register at just over $738 million due to increased broadcast revenue and improved commercial returns.​

​

AFL reveals $43m loss as staggering cost of Covid laid bare

AFL reveals $43m loss as staggering cost of Covid laid bare

www.foxsports.com.au

Here's what the ARLC reported for 2021.

​

Key financial results include:​

​

Revenue for 2021 increased by $155.4 million or 37% to $575.1 million on the previous year.​

Cash grants to the 16 Clubs increased by 5% to $239.6 million. This was on top of the increase provided in 2020. The clubs before Covid (2019 financial year) received $203.2 million.​

Cash reserves have increased from $126 million at the end of the 2020 financial year to $171 million at 31 October 2021.​

From 2023 television broadcast agreements will exceed $400 million per annum being the most in the game’s history.​

​

2021 Financial Results

The Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) has advised its members that the game will report a $43.1 million surplus for the 2021 season.

www.nrl.com

​

The revenue has literally been graphed and posted for the last DECADE in recent pages. Honest to god I have no idea whether you guys actually read these posts before responding to anything.

If you dont want to see what’s about to hit us then Look away. If you don’t want to undertand that it’s largely due to the incompetence of our chair then stop reading. If you want to remain in your ignorance close your eyes. The world will look much rosier for a while longer.

it’s not about the afl, it’s about the nrl and the failures of our current leadership. This thread is about the performance of pistol Pete after all!

You could have fooled me with your tunnel vision on things AFL.

That the broadcast deal, the timing of the negotations and the length of the deal probably could have been done better is indeed questionable - but none of us were in those negotiations either, and we still dont know pertinent details to make absolute conclusions.

What is also true is that the NRL has never had more revenue, has never been more profitable.

its also likely that the current deal will be renegotiated before 2025.

I get the impression that the statistician wants us to be happy with our game's position because it benefits the other mob to remain in their shadow.

lol wtf. Im here doing something every rugby league fan should be doing - extolling the virtues of the game. How the f**k can I be trolling in FAVOUR of the NRL on an NRL forum.

Keeping nine teams in Sydney and not expanding to Adelaide and Perth makes it impossible for us to compete with AFL. Not having a team based on Brisbane's southside helps the Lions and Suns.

Thats arguable. Perth is probably essential in the future, its debatable whether Adelaide is.

@Perth Red is not an AFL fan. The bloke he is arguing with is an AFL fan.

Yes, so tell me whats wrong with this picture./

That's what I don't get about the likes of Phil and Always Green. If they don't want to hear any criticism of V'landys then they shouldn't read a thread that's about his performance as ARLC Chairman. They just enjoy ganging up on a couple of easy targets because they're bored and don't have any interest in thinking critically.

Discussions go both ways. You cant just spout your side without being called on it, anymore than I can. Welcome to the internet.

 

[Iamback]

That the broadcast deal, the timing of the negotations and the length of the deal probably could have been done better is indeed questionable - but none of us were in those negotiations either, and we still dont know pertinent details to make absolute conclusions.

What is also true is that the NRL has never had more revenue, has never been more profitable.

its also likely that the current deal will be renegotiated before 2025.

I am in the minority here, I think the timing of the deal allowed both NRLW and NRL to expand. The flow on seems to be record revenue, The women's game especially has huge room to grow that.

That gets pushed further down the track if TV isn't locked in. Plenty of time to close that gap, should figures prove a low deal when the time comes

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

its also likely that the current deal will be renegotiated before 2025.

Foxtel said they will not renegotiate the deal.

Why would they renegotiate a deal that's great for them?

lol wtf. Im here doing something every rugby league fan should be doing - extolling the virtues of the game. How the f**k can I be trolling in FAVOUR of the NRL on an NRL forum.

The ARLC only cares about keeping the status quo in Sydney. It's not doing what's best for rugby league.

I explained how the NSWRL went out of its way to weaken the Queensland Cup about 12 years ago. The ARLC under V'landys is trying to kill off the Queensland Cup. This is not good for rugby league in Queensland and it's being driven by people who want to recreate the NSWRFL Premiership era.

It's been shown to you how Arthurson and Quayle set rugby league in Brisbane back by limiting the city to just one team and making the Broncos pay a $500k entrance fee while the Giants and Knights got in for free. They continued to agitate the Broncos and created an expansion committee in 1992 that was run by officials from NSWRL clubs and blatantly discriminated against expansion clubs by heaving expenses and demands on them that gave the Sydney clubs an advantage. Their policies bankrupted the Cowboys and Reds and led them and other non-Sydney clubs to defect to Super League. After the SL War the ARL and News Ltd followed the Bradley Report's recommendation to rationalise the competition down to 14 teams and have just one team in SEQ, but ignored its main finding that Sydney should have no more than five clubs.

Thats arguable. Perth is probably essential in the future, its debatable whether Adelaide is.

So you reckon Sydney should have nine clubs that generate bugger all revenue but think Adelaide shouldn't have a team?

What's your opinion on a third Brisbane team to cover the south side?

Perth should have had a team 25 years ago.

Yes, so tell me whats wrong with this picture./

There's nothing wrong with being an AFL fan. There are people in this thread who have an irrational hatred of AFL and think anyone who doesn't share the same sentiment is a traitor worthy of excommunication. Their blinkered thinking does more harm than good because kids these days don't share their extreme position.

Discussions go both ways. You cant just spout your side without being called on it, anymore than I can. Welcome to the internet.

There's a few people on here who just want to fling shit for fun. That's not what the forum is supposed to be about.