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Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

mongoose

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Correct and surprisingly that game that we always compare ourselves to because they are well run took the power away from the clubs. Jeff Kennett is always whinging they have no power. Yet the overall game is doing very well. Clubs always put themselves first.
Not everything is rosy in AFL land though. Aren't they having one of their worst ever seasons attendance wise, meanwhile NRL is having one of its best? GWS and Suns still struggle to gain traction and are even unwanted by many of the games staunchest supporters. GWS are now out of the AFL top 8 and back to total irrelevancy. Suns have always been a basket case. I don't find AFL entertaining at all but I have heard many lament the way the game is played, overly defensive, lots of crowding around the ball making it resemble an under 7s soccer match or "seagulls fighting over a chip".... I guess they will have shitloads of money to throw at all these problems though.
 

Iamback

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It has no real independence every decision is based on what's good for the broadcasters. The feel good factor is very low.

So then we would hear all these unhappy people then wouldn't we?

I am sure uncle Nick would come out swinging if the Commission was failng
 

Colk

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Not everything is rosy in AFL land though. Aren't they having one of their worst ever seasons attendance wise, meanwhile NRL is having one of its best? GWS and Suns still struggle to gain traction and are even unwanted by many of the games staunchest supporters. GWS are now out of the AFL top 8 and back to total irrelevancy. Suns have always been a basket case. I don't find AFL entertaining at all but I have heard many lament the way the game is played, overly defensive, lots of crowding around the ball making it resemble an under 7s soccer match or "seagulls fighting over a chip".... I guess they will have shitloads of money to throw at all these problems though.

Isn’t it always like seagulls fighting over a chip? Undignified schoolyard scramble? To me it is beyond comprehension that anybody could enjoy that sport. Unfortunately enough people seem to.

Notwithstanding their list of problems surely they wouldn’t be anywhere near ours - crowds/attendances (we should be aiming for 20-25k average if we are fair dinkum , proper stadiums, TV/media rights, true independence from News Ltd considering our history, myopia/self interest, true expansion.

Their expansion sides seem like a lot of work but they can obviously afford it.
 

AlwaysGreen

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All of the details are in the media reports on the fumbleball rights yesterday. V’Landys and the ‘independent’ commission have done a terrible job in comparison
V'landys is not my cup of cocoa and has undersold the NRL.

My comment is merely that I have no clue how the afl works or care how much they got. I gave up dick measuring contests years ago.
 

Iamback

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1. Mate you can bury your head in the sand all you want but do you think that fumbleball is worth $200 million more than our game despite our ratings been on par with theirs as well as the fact that we have SOO and Internationals and they don’t have anything additional to sell? If the answer is no, then yes we have been undersold. Even the cash element is at least $100 million more for them, probably over $150m according to some reports. I think this is inarguable at this point.

Regarding junior development, that’s all well and good of clubs doing that but let’s be honest we have other bodies spending money on junior development. Also, in terms of money we aren’t in the same ballpark in terms of money spent on grassroots and that is all that matters

2. Is it professional to change the rules on the whim without any consultation of any players who provide the product Yes/No? So you think any other sports administration would do the same Yes/No? We had statistically our most uneven competition last year and yes he thankfully tweaked it a little bit but the commission including V’Landys should have been turfed for just that. To make matters worse, he and the ARLC negotiates our next deal after presiding over that - absolutely moronic

3. Because he stepped in. If you are going to allow a body to be autonomous then let them make their decisions.

4. The point being is that if you are deferring to the clubs all the time or letting them run rampant then what precisely is the point of the commission? The whole point originally was to take decisions away from clubs and their own self interest and to run the competition without fear, self interest and from the cliques that we have always seen. The reason being is that the clubs don’t care about the whole game, they care about their own clubs - that is not their fault as they are a business. You see this lack of direction everywhere - from stadiums, from junior development, from expansion, from decisions that favour certain clubs and others that don’t. The game is continually being led by clubs and not by the ARLC

1 - Why does what another code is getting in 3 years matter when rating how the ARLC is going?

New team coming in
Just came off a great year crowd wise
A professional Womens comp
Salary Cap has grown 60% in 10 years
Had enough spare cash to make a non Football related investment

You don't think any of that is good?

If you think the clubs have too much power, Why would you give them more by letting them have a say in the rules that allows them to cheat

So that part isn't worth responding too
 

Iamback

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V'landys is not my cup of cocoa and has undersold the NRL.

My comment is merely that I have no clue how the afl works or care how much they got. I gave up dick measuring contests years ago.

That is it. What they got has no relevance as too whether the clubs should punt him
 
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If we received a similar deal to the AFL, salary cap would be $20m, grass roots investment would be enormous, we could fund development of stadium's overselves and invest in Pacific development, add another side etc. We could buy the best RU players in the world.

Of course the game will sustain itself in the short term but we should be more ambitious. Also Sustainable growth in short term is fine but longer term our code will struggle with this lack of competitive advantage
 
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Rubbery figures, but AFL has 100 million reasons to gloat over TV deal​

Roy Masters

By Roy Masters

September 7, 2022 — 11.45am

We are accustomed to paying $6.50 for a cup of coffee but the inflation implicit in the AFL’s $4.5 billion new broadcasting contract does evoke images of the Weimar Republic when 1920s Germans loaded up wheelbarrows with Reichsmarks to buy a loaf of bread.
OK, the seven-year deal does end in 2031 but a 36 per cent uplift on the current contract of $473 million a year is a significant inflationary rise, given the AFL’s free-to-air broadcaster, Channel Seven, complained it paid too much for cricket and subscription network Foxtel is bleeding red ink. Industry sources insist the genuine annual payment the AFL will receive from Seven and Fox is $550m, compared to the $643m trumpeted by the code on its website.

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan details which games will be shown on Seven, Foxtel and on streaming services

Built into the deal is money from Telstra for the AFL-owned Marvel Stadium, plus contra. Foxtel does receive exclusivity of Saturdays for the first eight rounds, which will force dedicated AFL fans to subscribe to Rupert Murdoch’s pay TV service.
However, the “flip-flop” clause where fans in South and Western Australia can see games involving their home teams on free-to-air TV – while the rest of the nation watches another game on Seven – is largely retained.

Still, industry sources claim the AFL will receive $100m a year more than the NRL’s $450m, a significant gap considering the broadcasting incomes for the two codes were similar a decade ago, allowing for the AFL providing one more game per week.
The current NRL deal, believed to be $2.3 billion over five years, ends in 2027. It’s the closing year of this contract which accounts for some of the strained optimism at Rugby League Central when the AFL announcement was made Tuesday.
ARLC chairman Peter V'landys and AFL boss Gillon McLachlan.


The new AFL deal does not start until 2025 which means, given that negotiations usually begin about two years before the end of an existing contract, the NRL will be going to market for its next contract at the time the latest AFL arrangement begins.
Colin Smith, Australia’s leading sports and media analyst, describes AFL and NRL as “must haves” for broadcasters, arguing that while the value for other sports will stabilise or decline, the media value of Australia’s leading winter football codes will rise.

Still, there was significant disquiet in NRL clubland Tuesday at the AFL announcement which came after MCG finals crowds of 80,000 and 90,000.
Some insist the NRL’s annual TV income of $450m is exaggerated, but the code did receive a record doubling of its international broadcasting fees last year.
The NRL extended its broadcast arrangement with Foxtel by seven years during the pandemic.

The NRL extended its broadcast arrangement with Foxtel by seven years during the pandemic.CREDIT:WOLTER PEETERS
Others believe the annual gap with AFL is $170m, not $100m, if contra is removed from both deals. The AFL mega payment further incited the critics of ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys, who renewed the Foxtel deal in the middle of the COVID-19 pandemic, rather than wait until this year when the original contract expired.
The AFL extended their rights for just two years. V’landys awarded Foxtel a seven-year extension until 2027, believed to be for an annual payment of $300m.

It was done at a time there was no rival bidder, and he separated pay TV from free-to-air, meaning that when Nine later renewed with the NRL, the owner of this masthead was in a one-horse race.
By contrast, the AFL orchestrated an auction, offering both pay and FTA rights, forcing Seven and Fox into sometimes fierce competition with each other. It also attracted bids from Channels Nine/Stan and Ten/Paramount, producing the competitive tension which forced up the price Seven/Foxtel initially offered and even exceeded the AFL’s own estimations.
AFL boss Gillon McLachlan today.
Furthermore, V’landys agreed to greater COVID discounts to Nine/Foxtel than the AFL conceded. Nine subsequently used the savings to pay $100m over three years to secure the rights to NRL rival, rugby union. Nine also recently announced record profits for its broadcast division.

The NRL also effectively surrendered their digital platform to Nine/Foxtel, dismantling their only point of future leverage with broadcasters.
However, in an age of transparency, there is a crucial point of difference between the AFL and NRL. The AFL declare their TV contracts (albeit with add-ons), while the NRL have not disclosed broadcast income in audited accounts since V’landys made his exclusive deal with Foxtel back in the days when a coffee cost $4.
 

Colk

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Peter vlandys is the best administrator In the country

it’s why gill the dill left early

if the afl was smart the 2 or 3 million they pay gill they should offer to vlandys

Maybe we could give him away for free, although I would open to suitable trades. Maybe a coffee table and some office equipment.
 

Colk

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Although I will say that is an interesting option. Maybe give them some of our administrators and they can give us some of theirs. Might make up some of the difference
 

Chief_Chujo

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Why would you sign an extension with an organisation when there is no pressure to do so? Why wouldn’t you put everything out to tender at once? For the supposed ‘best sports administrator in the country’ that is incredibly negligent. My infant nephew wouldn’t do that.
I'm starting to think its a bit like how Trump use to be touted as a great negotiator. But when the real players sit down with him they're gob smacked at what a simpleton he is and quietly work to get everything they want while making him feel special.

Incompetence or intent. He gots to go.
 

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