Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[Perth Red]

I'll never understand Perth Red's cognitive dissonance on so many topics.

He's whinged for years about clubs not generating enough revenue from football operations.

The Broncos and Dolphins draw more revenue from sponsorship than any other rugby league club in the world, yet Perth Red ridicules them both for not being as big as the West Coast Eagles.

Brisbane Tigers are projected to be almost as strong as the Broncos and Dolphins when they get an NRL licence, yet Perth Red hates their bid with a passion and is on record saying he would rather see PNG get a licence, despite his hatred for them.

How can I take him seriously?

When he's confronted about his cognitive dissonance his excuse is he wants to see the game grow, yet he supported the RFL throwing the Wolfpack under the bus and defends Hull having two teams in a city that has just 260k while Toulouse, Newcastle, Sheffield, Birmingham, Dublin and Edinburgh have none.

He ridicules the Broncos for not having as many members and active fans as the West Coast Eagles, yet he gets all defensive when people point out that the Melbourne Storm's membership and attendance levels are well below the Brisbane Lions and Sydney Swans. If you point out that the Broncos are watched by twice as many viewers than the Eagles on television he changes the subject.

A few weeks ago he was angry about Lang Park getting an upgrade ahead of the Gabba and ranted about how much better Perth Stadium is than either ground.

He's not consistent and is only here to heap shit on Brisbane and Sydney because he's green with envy.

My #1 fan/ stalker is back lol

 

[Perth Red]

The same Vlandys administration that has just posted a record revenue of $700m? In dollar terms, not % of revenue I'm sure it's much higher than in the past and that's all that really matters

Not true
2019 Total spend on grassroots $88.3mill
2023 $76.5mill, then factor in 4 years of inflation and real spend is significantly lower

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

My #1 fan/ stalker is back lol

Can you see why I believe you're disingenuous?

 

[Iamback]

A little misleading as well when you consider the amount by which revenue has increased, can`t be arsed looking it up, but I dare say 16 % of 2019 revenue is probably less than 11 % 0f 2023.

It was $500m revenue in 2019. So $80m
$77m for the past 12 months.

So we are talking $3m difference, That is not counting the $80m or so over the cap clubs get to run their junior Leagues.

In the Penrith district kids in u6's and u7's for example get free rego. That is shorts, socks, jersey and insurance.

I'd assume similar is going in other NRL club areas, So my point is the money is flowing down which is the main thing

 

[Canard]

Some people have a negative agenda against the NRL and others look for the positives. It wouldn’t surprise me if PR is paid contra by the afl

If there is no critical discussion, then it's just propaganda.

 

[MugaB]

He’s not interested in accuracy. He just despises Vlandys

This ones for you PR

 

[Vlad59]

If there is no critical discussion, then it's just propaganda.

Well there is critical discussion or in PRs case an endless negative agenda.

 

[Iamback]

If there is no critical discussion, then it's just propaganda.

Happy to have the critical discussion but you need to provide all the information.

So in this case add the extra the clubs are getting to put into grassroots, Then can discuss where it sits compared to other sports

Or where it can be improved, which is the issue for me. I have no problems with the amount spent, I just don't think it is getting where it should be

16 clubs were getting $3m over the cap in 2019 add that $48m to the $80m there is $120m

2023 17 clubs got $5m over the cap. For $85m add that to the $77m from NRL directly.

$162m - without the extra to NSWRL and QRL paid but NRL have $400m over 5 years aside for that. Hopefully mediation sorts that quickly but reports from Courier mail ( who have been Ikin's mouthpiece ) says NRL want to set funding over a 5 year period and not year to year. That seems to be the hold up

 

[Desert Qlder]

As the controlling body of rugby league in Queensland, the QRL constitution explicitly requires them to: “foster, develop, extend, govern and control directly and indirectly the Game in Queensland from junior and school levels to elite levels”. I'm sure the NSWRL has a similar mission in their state.

With this being at the very core of their existence, we can be assured that these bodies will always be working for the benefit of the game as a whole. The question is are NRL clubs driven by the same set of core beliefs? Is having the infrastructure of the sport - players, junior pathways and financing being run through those clubs an ideal scenario? What checks and balances exist to ensure they will foster the game as a whole?

To me the design of this system is to set up for Sydney clubs, who have low junior numbers and want to carve out semi-fiefdoms in regional areas, suck out pokie money and cherry pick the best juniors. If a few regional clubs fall away in the process that is 'progress'. Quite likely the NRL also want to run State of Origin themselves, and remove the state bodies entirely so they can turn it into the international all-stars game they are seemingly dreaming of. They already control international football and have shrunk the World Cup.

We also get sold the myth of 'the fans want reserve grade' by their News Ltd propaganda arm. Which any rational observer knows would bring maybe fifty extra fans to the game - which would be played some three hours earlier mind you (good luck for the 6pm Friday game).

Hopefully, V'Landys and Abdo are realising they can't mess with the Queensland Cup or State of Origin. Two massive Rugby League successes that were accomplished in spite of Sydney incompetence and arrogance. That's why they are backing away from the legal proceedings. They are already looking to settle. But it should not have come to this. If they try again then they will get one hell of a fight.

 

[Wb1234]

Its not surprising, under Vlandys spending on grassroots is at an all time low in terms of % of NRL revenue.

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Any chance of the NSWRL and QRL working with V'landys to create a professional "Super League" style second division?

More content for broadcasters. More options for players. Plenty of regions without an NRL club that will benefit. A great place for NRL bidders to press their case for a licence.

If V'landys put his mind to it then he could get this over the line. It would be a good way for the ARLC to mend bridges with the QRL and NSWRL.

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As the controlling body of rugby league in Queensland, the QRL constitution explicitly requires them to: “foster, develop, extend, govern and control directly and indirectly the Game in Queensland from junior and school levels to elite levels”. I'm sure the NSWRL has a similar mission in their state.

With this being at the very core of their existence, we can be assured that these bodies will always be working for the benefit of the game as a whole. The question is are NRL clubs driven by the same set of core beliefs? Is having the infrastructure of the sport - players, junior pathways and financing being run through those clubs an ideal scenario? What checks and balances exist to ensure they will foster the game as a whole?

To me the design of this system is to set up for Sydney clubs, who have low junior numbers and want to carve out semi-fiefdoms in regional areas, suck out pokie money and cherry pick the best juniors. If a few regional clubs fall away in the process that is 'progress'. Quite likely the NRL also want to run State of Origin themselves, and remove the state bodies entirely so they can turn it into the international all-stars game they are seemingly dreaming of. They already control international football and have shrunk the World Cup.

We also get sold the myth of 'the fans want reserve grade' by their News Ltd propaganda arm. Which any rational observer knows would bring maybe fifty extra fans to the game - which would be played some three hours earlier mind you (good luck for the 6pm Friday game).

Hopefully, V'Landys and Abdo are realising they can't mess with the Queensland Cup or State of Origin. Two massive Rugby League successes that were accomplished in spite of Sydney incompetence and arrogance. That's why they are backing away from the legal proceedings. They are already looking to settle. But it should not have come to this. If they try again then they will get one hell of a fight.

qrl under harcher were opposed to the dolphins entry in the nrl

if it’s not to their own benefit they aren’t interested

the arlc has added two qld nrl teams with ong to be based in cairns

that’s how to grow rugby league in qld

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

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qrl under harcher were opposed to the dolphins entry in the nrl

if it’s not to their own benefit they aren’t interested

V'landys would need to provide a cash injection to the QRL and NSWRL to get it over the line.

 

[Canard]

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qrl under harcher were opposed to the dolphins entry in the nrl

if it’s not to their own benefit they aren’t interested

the arlc has added two qld nrl teams with ong to be based in cairns

that’s how to grow rugby league in qld

What language is this?

 

[Perth Red]

Can you see why I believe you're disingenuous?

I can see youre obsessed by a random on the internet lol

 

[Perth Red]

Happy to have the critical discussion but you need to provide all the information.

So in this case add the extra the clubs are getting to put into grassroots, Then can discuss where it sits compared to other sports

Or where it can be improved, which is the issue for me. I have no problems with the amount spent, I just don't think it is getting where it should be

16 clubs were getting $3m over the cap in 2019 add that $48m to the $80m there is $120m

2023 17 clubs got $5m over the cap. For $85m add that to the $77m from NRL directly.

$162m - without the extra to NSWRL and QRL paid but NRL have $400m over 5 years aside for that. Hopefully mediation sorts that quickly but reports from Courier mail ( who have been Ikin's mouthpiece ) says NRL want to set funding over a 5 year period and not year to year. That seems to be the hold up

I keep hearing about this extra clubs are putting into grassroots. The fact is clubs were given $5mill over cap. There is no specific allocation of how much of that, if any, should be spent on grassroots. Elite pathway programs are not grassroots. They are self serving player production lines from a certain age that involve a tiny % of RL jnrs.
Nowhere is there any evidence of what is or isnt being spent by NRL clubs on participation and grassroots RL. Youd have to be pretty naive to believe that all, even a decent %, of the money over the cap clubs are getting is going to grassroots.

If you can show me any data on NRL club grassroots spending at all then I'll back off, but you wont be able to as Ive looked and there isnt any.

As it stands all we can go on is what NRL is directly funding and as a % of revenue and as a total amount its significantly less under this Commission than the previous one, and based on their $420mil commitment over 5 years, will remain so.

 

[Vlad59]

I keep hearing about this extra clubs are putting into grassroots. The fact is clubs were given $5mill over cap. There is no specific allocation of how much of that, if any, should be spent on grassroots. Elite pathway programs are not grassroots. They are self serving player production lines from a certain age that involve a tiny % of RL jnrs.
Nowhere is there any evidence of what is or isnt being spent by NRL clubs on participation and grassroots RL.

If you can show me any data on NRL club grassroots spending at all then I'll back off, but you wont be able to as Ive looked and there isnt any.

As it stands all we can go on is what NRL is directly funding and as a % of revenue and as a total amount its significantly less under this Commission than the previous one.

In other words you don’t have any idea but will always find a negative wherever you can. 18 years of posting misery.

 

[Wb1234]

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[MugaB]

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[siv]

No issue with what is being asked

Just setup National RG and NYC above it

Then work on NSW Cup becoming a merging of RMC with NSW Country divisional teams

Just move the funding for RG and U21 teams direct from NRL to the clubs rather than via NSWRL/QRL. 13 of 17 clubs are setup already

 

[BlueandGold]

Not true
2019 Total spend on grassroots $88.3mill
2023 $76.5mill, then factor in 4 years of inflation and real spend is significantly lower

Last year close to 5m over the cap was given Directly to NRL clubs.

85m a year.

So 2023 76.5m + a potential 85m

How much money over cap does the AFL give to clubs?

 

[Penrith fan]

Pete "the Man" V'Landys is the No 1 sports administrator on this planet.

Rugby League and the NSWRC are so lucky to have him.

Pete has cornered the USA gambling market by playing games in Vegas, Pete has destroyed fumble balls hold on Victoria and run rings around the VRC when it comes to self-promotion and racing. NSW is clearly No 1 now, if only we could stop the torrential rain when we run our so called "The Championships".

I remember when Pete "The Man" Vlandys used to run the trots.

Even then it was the best night out and Pete "The Man" made himself available to every Tom Dick and Harry and made it an intimate and cosy setting for $10 punters to lose their rent money and shuffle off into the night to go back to their otherwise meaningless lives.

Pete "The Man" is A No 1 when it comes to promoting the shite out of events.

He could sell ice to the Eskimos.